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Controversies around Remington

ancientmariner

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As many colleagues praise Remington for being the best purchase in terms of value/money ratio, here is what I have recently read in the German edition of Financial Times:

<span style="font-style: italic">Cerberus hatte Remington 2007 gekauft und baut rund um das Traditionsunternehmen den neuen Waffenkonzern Freedom Group. Der zählt zu den größten Anbietern für Handfeuerwaffen und Munition weltweit und soll demnächst an die Börse gehen. Doch die Geschäfte laufen schlecht - und das juristische Risiko durch die Klagen gegen Remington ist gewaltig.
Bei Modellen des Bestsellers Remington 700 können sich angeblich ... Bei Modellen des Bestsellers Remington 700 können sich angeblich Schüsse lösen, ohne dass der Abzug betätigt wird
Die Gewehre der 700er-Serie, die für Jäger und Sportschützen entwickelt wurden, zählen zu den wichtigsten Umsatzgaranten von Remington. Seit 1962 hat die Firma mehr als fünf Millionen dieser Waffen verkauft. Die Vorwürfe, nach der Entsicherung könnten sich Schüsse lösen, ohne dass der Abzug betätigt wurde, weist der Hersteller zurück und spricht von "gegenstandslosen und unbegründeten Anschuldigungen". Durch einen Film des Senders CNBC, der am vergangenen Wochenende in den USA mehrfach ausgestrahlt wurde, steht Remington nun öffentlich am Pranger.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Mehr als 20 tödliche Unfälle und über 100 schwere Verletzungen führen Kritiker auf den technischen Mangel der Gewehre zurück. Mindestens 75 Klagen sind gegen Remington anhängig.</span> Frühere Verfahren hat der Hersteller durch Zahlungen an die Kläger beendet und diese zur Verschwiegenheit verpflichtet.
Rechtsanwalt Stephen Drinnon aus Texas, der mehrere Unfallopfer vertritt, will Remington jetzt auch strafrechtlich zur Verantwortung ziehen. Er stützt seine Vorwürfe auch auf interne Dokumente, die belegen sollen, dass der Hersteller das Problem schon seit Jahrzehnten kennt.
Einige Dokumente wurden auch von CNBC veröffentlicht. Sie enthalten Schreiben von Mike Walker, der das Gewehr maßgeblich entwickelt und den Hersteller wegen der erheblichen Unfallgefahren später mehrfach dazu aufgefordert hatte, Nachbesserungen vorzunehmen. Vergeblich.
Nachfragen zu den Vorwürfen wollten sich am Montag weder Cerberus noch die Freedom Group stellen. Beide verwiesen auf ihre Schweigepflicht vor dem Börsengang, für den es allerdings noch gar keinen Zeitplan gibt.
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FYI- It says among other things that there have been over 20 deadly accidents and 100 injuries caused by Remington rifles and that there are at least 75 pending lawsuits against Remington.
 
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Um, yeah, related to the safety not preventing the old-style trigger from firing without being pulled when the safety is turned off. There are several threads on here about it if you're interested...
 
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I was always taught not to point a weapon at anything you don't plan on shooting. Loaded or not. Seems like a lot of people want to bash the Big R Now. To me it still boils down to where the weapon is pointed.
 
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I bought a Remington 700 VS SF after seeing the CNBC show, albeit one with an x Mark Pro Adjustable trigger. I thought CNBC's show was reasonably fair - certainly makes much more sense than Remington's response on their website.
 
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I would wager McDonalds has been sued more times than Remington. Number of lawsuits against a company as big as Remington doesn't mean dick other than there's a lot of shitball lawyers and get rich quick people out there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would wager McDonalds has been sued more times than Remington. Number of lawsuits against a company as big as Remington doesn't mean dick other than there's a lot of shitball lawyers and get rich quick people out there. </div></div>

Exactly! Just like the dumbass that sued Mcdonalds, and won, because Mcdonalds didn't warn them that their coffee was hot.

So Remington should put a fucking warning label on the action- * Warning do not point the loaded gun at somebody then turn the safety off* If you're really that stupid then you don't need to be anywhere in the vicinity of a gun. Don't take me the wrong way, It's tragic what happened to the people who died and their families, but at the same time, if the people practiced simple gun safety none of this would have happened.

A loaded gun is a deadly weapon and people get hurt when they assume otherwise. Safety on or not.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ancient Mariner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI- It says among other things that there have been over 20 deadly accidents and 100 injuries caused by Remington rifles and that there are at least 75 pending lawsuits against Remington. </div></div>

all this says to me is that there were 120 instances where someone was personally negligent and pointed a loaded firearm at themselves or someone else they didnt want to shoot. and it also says that in at least 75 of those "accidents" they would like to push the blame and responsibility off onto someone else.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ancient Mariner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI- It says among other things that there have been over 20 deadly accidents and 100 injuries caused by Remington rifles and that there are at least 75 pending lawsuits against Remington. </div></div>

all this says to me is that there were 120 instances where someone was personally negligent and pointed a loaded firearm at themselves or someone else they didnt want to shoot. and it also says that in at least 75 of those "accidents" they would like to push the blame and responsibility off onto someone else. </div></div>
People are idiots. Just because you have a safety on, DOES NOT GIVE YOU FREE REIGN TO FLAG PEOPLE! Always assume a safety is going to fail and that every firearm is loaded. People are acting like jackasses and want to blame somebody else and not take responsibility for their mistakes, misjudgements, and irresponsible behavior.
 
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exactly !!

for what's worth i hate cold coffee .. . i expect it to be hot when it's handed to me and when a waiter comes at me with a pot of it , i get the flip out of the way

simple stuff really

don't muzzle shag me and i won't do it to you -

but you see this all the time; even with zoomy operators ,in big time classes, they are flaggin themselves or their neighbor;
 
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i had an instructor tell me once

that of the three safety rules , if you violate two of them, together, it becomes a life changing moment .. .

and it is sooooooo true
 
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Maybe if they had a warning "will discharge when safety released"?

Yes, had everyone done everything correctly the discharges wouldn't have killed anyone. Why have a safety then?
It's there for a reason. They knew for years there was an issue and left it.
They were in the wrong. As were they "shooters". Partial blame on both of them.

Some years ago they started attempting to fix the issue, did a recall and seem to have done everything they can reasonably do to sort it out.

End of story.