Coronavirus Delta Variant

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It is hard sometimes to know what to say without the crutch of ideological scripts to run... but I manage. Just speak the truth as best I can knowing I'm not any more or less infallible than anyone else here.

I acknowledge there is a chance, however small, of there being an adverse reaction, maybe short term, maybe long term, severe/not severe, to one or more of the 3 three vaccines pending approval right now. I get the fear of taking them. And people should have the freewill to not have to take them. The part that I find hard to negotiate is just where you then draw the line with people who don't.
If you believe people should have a freewill to take it or not, there is no line.
 

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It is hard sometimes to know what to say without the crutch of ideological scripts to run... but I manage. Just speak the truth as best I can knowing I'm not any more or less infallible than anyone else here.

I acknowledge there is a chance, however small, of there being an adverse reaction, maybe short term, maybe long term, severe/not severe, to one or more of the 3 three vaccines pending approval right now. I get the fear of taking them. And people should have the freewill to not have to take them. The part that I find hard to negotiate is just where you then draw the line with people who don't.
You just hit the point and I don’t think you intended to. Those vaccines are pending approval. Untested. Side effects unknown but it’s getting clearer by the day that they would not pass FDA trials in a normal world.

let’s all go out and take drugs that aren’t tested because we are afraid. What could go wrong?

where is this line you speak of? Because on the other side of that line is where freedom of choice gets stripped. It would be good to know where this line exists.
 
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    You just hit the point and I don’t think you intended to. Those vaccines are pending approval. Untested. Side effects unknown but it’s getting clearer by the day that they would not pass FDA trials in a normal world.

    let’s all go out and take drugs that aren’t tested. What could go wrong?

    where is this line you speak of? Because on the other side of that line is where freedom of choice gets stripped. It would be good to know where this line exists.
     

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    Source: medalerts.org (CDC data from July 9, 2021)

    I do know someone who died of the jab. I also know many people who had severe side effects, the vast majority of which I'm certain were not reported in VAERS. Most involved a very high (102+F) fever, among other things. One friend is permanently disabled -- says his arms and legs feel like they're asleep. Though he can move them still, just barely so. My neighbor is in a wheelchair after getting the jab. They said it was a stroke and unrelated but it also just happened to occur a few days after getting his second dose and while experiencing other side effects including a high fever.

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    Similarly, from July 07, 2021 data released by the CDC:

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    If you're 50+, you should talk to your doctor and see what's right for you, those numbers really lend to that.

    But if someone tells you to get your 0-17 or even 0-29 year old kid the jab -- you show them this and tell them to fuck off with their psychotic leftist bullshit media induced anxiety. There's absolutely zero reason, based on those numbers, to give a child the vaccination. Mind you, and this is critical, these are children who died WITH COVID, not necessarily from COVID.

    Think of it like this. A child is in the hospital dying from Leukemia. Gut wrenching and tragic -- when he passes they test him for COVID and it comes up positive. That child becomes part of this statistic. Mind you, I'm not even getting into the accuracy of tests, which have been very publicly shown to have an alarming false positive rate.

    One thing I have seen and heard from family and friends is that doctors in Arkansas are telling patients if they have any, even very mild, side effects after the first jab -- they're advising not to get the second dose. Everyone I've known who's had severe side effects have all had them on the second dose. Not medical advice, definitely talk to your own doctor, but that's what I've been hearing. The statistics seem to show this, as well, as 44% of Arkansas has received at least one dose while only 35% is fully vaccinated (eg second dose or the J&J).
     

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    Mark me as Delta don't give a fuck. No shot for me.

    I wear a half-assed mask when I am required to in order to see a doctor. Otherwise, I either argue and go in anyway, or refuse to spend money in your establishment.
     
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    More data needed to back this table up, and its using CFR instead of IFR, but its directionally suggesting that delta is #meh

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    Just following data. In the alpha class, I assume that no members of the 255k cases were vaccinated. In the delta class, are there a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated in the the 92k total cases? is there a difference in mortality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts?
     

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    Since I have underlying health issues as does my wife that’s an RN patient care manager we rolled the dice and got the moderna shots. Sunday the day before I left for my 8 day Alaskan fishing trip we were informed that we had the potential of being exposed at church. Kids had just come back from a church camp and 6 kid and 2 adults had tested positive. I flew out on Monday the 12th fast forward to Saturday and I started not feeling well but had 2 more days to tough it out. Last night there I started feeling bad with flu like symptoms, body aches, fever, chills and no energy. We flew out on Monday the flight from Kenai to Anchorage I was just feeling a bit run down. Then Anchorg to Seattle the chills hit but again not that bad. Had a 7 hour layover and this is when things started going Down hill fast. The chills and the fever hit me hard. Once on the plane to Okc it got worse, it’s not as easy as one would think to bend over and puke in the small crappers on a plane. I have to give a big shout out to the flight crew the did all the could to try and help. By the end of the flight I was full on having an Addisons crisis. When we landed my dad drove my truck home and help unload my stuff( non of this is remembered by me) went in and doubled up on my meds till my wife got home to give me my emergency shot of Dexamethasone. Woke up the next morning and things were slightly worse so I had my son drive me to the ER to get meds for vomiting and more Dexamethasone via my iv bag . So was this the Delta variant or something else.
     

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    Since I have underlying health issues as does my wife that’s an RN patient care manager we rolled the dice and got the moderna shots. Sunday the day before I left for my 8 day Alaskan fishing trip we were informed that we had the potential of being exposed at church. Kids had just come back from a church camp and 6 kid and 2 adults had tested positive. I flew out on Monday the 12th fast forward to Saturday and I started not feeling well but had 2 more days to tough it out. Last night there I started feeling bad with flu like symptoms, body aches, fever, chills and no energy. We flew out on Monday the flight from Kenai to Anchorage I was just feeling a bit run down. Then Anchorg to Seattle the chills hit but again not that bad. Had a 7 hour layover and this is when things started going Down hill fast. The chills and the fever hit me hard. Once on the plane to Okc it got worse, it’s not as easy as one would think to bend over and puke in the small crappers on a plane. I have to give a big shout out to the flight crew the did all the could to try and help. By the end of the flight I was full on having an Addisons crisis. When we landed my dad drove my truck home and help unload my stuff( non of this is remembered by me) went in and doubled up on my meds till my wife got home to give me my emergency shot of Dexamethasone. Woke up the next morning and things were slightly worse so I had my son drive me to the ER to get meds for vomiting and more Dexamethasone via my iv bag . So was this the Delta variant or something else.
    Prayers up on a quick recovery.
     

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    I'm still confused.
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    Why do the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated, aren't they all...like, vaccinated?

    Yeah, but?
    Maybe they are aware of all the data that you are more likely to catch COVID by alot if you are vaccinated. They are saying you won't be hospitalized or die as much...but they say alot we can't trust too...
     

    DarnYankeeUSMC

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    Some local health official was on the news preaching about the "vaccine" and the benefits. To finish by saying that it's not 100% effective but it will reduce your chances of death from the virus
    I'm still confused.
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    Why do the vaccinated fear the unvaccinated, aren't they all...like, vaccinated?

    Yeah, but?
     

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    Since I have underlying health issues as does my wife that’s an RN patient care manager we rolled the dice and got the moderna shots. Sunday the day before I left for my 8 day Alaskan fishing trip we were informed that we had the potential of being exposed at church. Kids had just come back from a church camp and 6 kid and 2 adults had tested positive. I flew out on Monday the 12th fast forward to Saturday and I started not feeling well but had 2 more days to tough it out. Last night there I started feeling bad with flu like symptoms, body aches, fever, chills and no energy. We flew out on Monday the flight from Kenai to Anchorage I was just feeling a bit run down. Then Anchorg to Seattle the chills hit but again not that bad. Had a 7 hour layover and this is when things started going Down hill fast. The chills and the fever hit me hard. Once on the plane to Okc it got worse, it’s not as easy as one would think to bend over and puke in the small crappers on a plane. I have to give a big shout out to the flight crew the did all the could to try and help. By the end of the flight I was full on having an Addisons crisis. When we landed my dad drove my truck home and help unload my stuff( non of this is remembered by me) went in and doubled up on my meds till my wife got home to give me my emergency shot of Dexamethasone. Woke up the next morning and things were slightly worse so I had my son drive me to the ER to get meds for vomiting and more Dexamethasone via my iv bag . So was this the Delta variant or something else.

    FWIW, there is something going around the Midwest right now that doesn't appear to be Covid (or at least it's not causing a positive PCR test result), but it's rocking people pretty hard in some cases. And there are way more mildly-sick people than usual for this time of the year. It's possible to write this stuff off as "seasonal allergies" in the spring, but not in the middle of summer.

    My condolences on the sick airplane ride. I once caught a touch of food poisoning just before boarding a transatlantic flight and spent approximately six hours occupying one of the bathrooms doing the simultaneous shit-and-puke routine.
     
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    No allergies in the summer. Thats a new one, and total bullshit. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

    What information points to there being "way more mildly sick people than usual for this time of year?" :unsure:
     

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    March 2019 through March 2020- Don't come to the E.R with cold like symptoms.

    Now, Ok go ahead and resume coming to the E.R for every little thing if you are an illegal immigrant who doesn't have to pay for it.

    Holy shit, we are seeing an uptick in a fairly harmless virus, people get every single year, that kills about 500 people per year in the United States.
     

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    March 2019 through March 2020- Don't come to the E.R with cold like symptoms.

    Now, Ok go ahead and resume coming to the E.R for every little thing if you are an illegal immigrant who doesn't have to pay for it.

    Holy shit, we are seeing an uptick in a fairly harmless virus, people get every single year, that kills about 500 people per year in the United States.
    Money needs to be made, ya know. Come on, man! Mac(y);)
     

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    No allergies in the summer. Thats a new one, and total bullshit. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

    What information points to there being "way more mildly sick people than usual for this time of year?" :unsure:

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    Come back with a better attempt at trolling, and maybe I'll bite :ROFLMAO:
     

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    I am dreading for the order to get the shot. My oic for my S shop gave a warnord to be prepared to get it around September timeframe. Just waiting on fda “approval”. I don’t believe I have a choice in the matter. I am going to consult with legal assistance to see what my options are. FML
     

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    Im in the same boat. Not looking forward to uncle sugar taking my choice away. My 92 year old MD grandfather, before he died earlier this year told me "don't let them inject you with this crap" he was always a bit worried about government overreach, and I'm sure he is looking down feeling vindicated.
    I am dreading for the order to get the shot. My oic for my S shop gave a warnord to be prepared to get it around September timeframe. Just waiting on fda “approval”. I don’t believe I have a choice in the matter. I am going to consult with legal assistance to see what my options are. FML
     

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    I am not an MD/DO, and encourage you talk to your doc, but if you are painted into a corner with getting the jab, and you decide to move forward, get the J&J as the "lesser of three evils". Avoid the mRNA based vaccines.
     

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    Just yesterday, at my workplace, we got the email stating the .gov is 100% requiring vaccination compliance for all who are on ground where I am. If you don't have it, and don't get it by a certain date, you're being sent home.

    So, basically the .gov is forcing private companies to fire employees who don't want to take an experimental composition of chemicals into their body.
    Sue their asses into bankruptcy
     

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    Can't really sue, companies have a right to tell you get the vaccine now… there's already been a court ruling on it
     

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    If people who work together would actually speak to each other about it and organize.
    But I am sure that a majority already missed their chance when they wore their face diaper in their cubicle. They conformed with those edicts like good sheep. It's just two weeks to flatten the curve, it's just a mask, it's only temporary, it's for the elderly...... Now it's too fucking bad!! Take the Big Pharma fucking in the ass or else!!!
    Too few people with balls to do that, seems like much of America has turned into wimpy sheep.
     

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    What was the case?
    They can/will also be using insurance incentives like they do if you stop smoking, stay at a healthy weight, etc. there are numerous ways to encourage shot taking. Most of it revolves around a carrot for the simple and a threat to income security for the rest. The whole deal with income security will end up causing the downfall of many.
     

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    Those are not incentives. You pay more if you are a smoker. They charge you like other people if you say you quit, and provide a bunch of other B.S during open enrollment.

    I didn't ask about ways to encourage shot taking. I asked for the case that said employers can require it.
     

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    I can't believe we aren't talking more about ivermectin given the amount of data out there. The standards of safety being installed around ivermectin are higher than the vaccines which is just blatantly unscientific.


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    Those are not incentives. You pay more if you are a smoker. They charge you like other people if you say you quit, and provide a bunch of other B.S during open enrollment.

    I didn't ask about ways to encourage shot taking. I asked for the case that said employers can require it.
    Relax Francis, use toilet paper in the morning instead of conrncobs, might help with the cranky. I wasn’t addressing your question about court cases, rather stating the other options that employers have to wield the stick.
     

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    Does insurance even pay out if you, “die with Covid”?
     

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    I am dreading for the order to get the shot. My oic for my S shop gave a warnord to be prepared to get it around September timeframe. Just waiting on fda “approval”. I don’t believe I have a choice in the matter. I am going to consult with legal assistance to see what my options are. FML
    Not unless you object to vaccines through religion, amd then you will be chaptered out.

    I dealt with this with one of my soldiers a couple years back in 2018.

    It was an honorable discharge amd all. Just a chapter though

    You gotta draw your line somewhere.

    Luckily I was just med retired myself, so I dont have to worry about that bump, even though my medical records did show as me having it.

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    Relax Francis, use toilet paper in the morning instead of conrncobs, might help with the cranky. I wasn’t addressing your question about court cases, rather stating the other options that employers have to wield the stick.
    Are you playing Captain Obvious this morning? I am aware you didn't address my question about a specific court case, and that insurance companies use extortion. Guess what else, water is wet, and politicians are crooked. SHHHHH, don't tell anyone.
     
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    Are you playing Captain Obvious this morning? I am aware you didn't address my question about a specific court case, and that insurance companies use extortion. Guess what else, water is wet, and politicians are crooked. SHHHHH, don't tell anyone.
    Only on the cobs bro, only on the cobs...
     

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    What was the case?
    Houston nurses vs memorial I believe. Then there is a case with a college... There's another case with regular business where the ruling was basically businesses have a right to determine their work requirements… forget who is involved in that.
     

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    Does insurance even pay out if you, “die with Covid”?
    A friend of mine was getting harassed by his insurance to get the death jab. He asked if they would be fully covering the medical expenses in the event of a vaccine related injury, or death. They flat out told him, no they decline any coverage for treatments related to vaccine injuries from the vaccines they are pushing. Hmmmmm 🤔 a lot of confidence there huh?
     

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    I can't believe we aren't talking more about ivermectin given the amount of data out there. The standards of safety being installed around ivermectin are higher than the vaccines which is just blatantly unscientific....
    Follow the money:

    Ivermectin is off patent and cheap.

    In a statement from May this year, Pfizer expected to have $26 billion in sales this year from its two-shot COVID-19 vaccine alone. Full-Year 2019 revenues were $51.8 Billion.

    Moderna forecasted $18.4 billion in sales this year from its COVID-19 vaccine. Their annual revenue for 2019 was $0.06B.

    The third vaccine from Jansen (owned by J&J) is expected to yield about $2.5 billion, which is not a big windfall compared to J&J's 2019 sales of $82.1 Billion.