Maggie’s Craziest video - dual wielding Bus shootout
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Idk why anyone puts down a shotgun to grab a pistol.
Well when you run out of ammo.
That was a straight up clown show. Very sad, sounds like that first female officer on the scene way over panicked and tied up the net leading to chaos.
Yes, roger, total arm chair quarterbacking and I don’t know other details.
Pure chaos at the end with trying to put that TQ on.....what a shit show.
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Could be, I also wondered if several of the officers might have been more effective it 40 pounds lighter.
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I know about that from my military training.
I did not realize the police department used the same technique. (What the heck was he shooting at anyway? Did he have a target?)
I know about that from my military training.
I did not realize the police department used the same technique. (What the heck was he shooting at anyway? Did he have a target?)
He was out of shells...I doubt he had any extras
Was the perps high points jamming every other shot or what?
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Did they KIA the perp? I couldn't tell, but I'm guessing yes since they seemed to all switch focus onto the wounded officer.
It's hard not to be an armchair quarterback this, but why was no one flanking, or moving to cut off his potential escape route? With that many officers and all that cover/concealment you would think they could hem in one perp. Instead they all clustered at the front of the buss with one officer at the back, and heavy ground right in the perps only path. All I can say is that a lot of prayers were answered when he told all the passengers to GTFO. All those hostages coupled with a total lack of any tactics could have ended a thousand times worse than it did.
It's hard not to be an armchair quarterback this, but why was no one flanking, or moving to cut off his potential escape route? With that many officers and all that cover/concealment you would think they could hem in one perp. Instead they all clustered at the front of the buss with one officer at the back, and heavy ground right in the perps only path. All I can say is that a lot of prayers were answered when he told all the passengers to GTFO. All those hostages coupled with a total lack of any tactics could have ended a thousand times worse than it did.
Cause yer an internet expert or some BS? This aint some video game son.
Not sorry. just had to.
I couldn't watch the whole video. It was too much!!
You mean you just dont stick a needle in someone and they are automatically healed.......
and neighborhood kid walked up saying "Well lookie here, someone left this perfectly fine shotgun laying here all unattended and all."
Officer after action........"Note to self. Attach ammo bandoleer to SG so it comes with when deployed."
Or get a Mesa Tactical side saddle to run 6 more at least.
Could get a sleeve on the stock for a few more.
@pmclaine - I saw one at a gun show long ago with a loaded bandoleer sling. That thing would have not been fun to try to shoot or move with.
IS there a different kind my hillbilly ass doesn't know about?
Could get a sleeve on the stock for a few more.
@pmclaine - I saw one at a gun show long ago with a loaded bandoleer sling. That thing would have not been fun to try to shoot or move with.
IS there a different kind my hillbilly ass doesn't know about?
You just give them Advil and that usually works, especially if you tape it directly to the wound for faster absorptionYou mean you just dont stick a needle in someone and they are automatically healed.......
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Took an AR class this weekend.......Feeling "comfort" from hugging cars is a false feeling.
I think with the level of funds provided for training, and with the powers that be understanding that LEO should be for revenue more than PS, they did a pretty good job when dealt a shitty situation.
The good outcome was that no one but dual Hi-Point appeared to have died.
Id of retreated from that packed bus most quickly and gone to contain. Dont recall her firing in the bus, that took some restraint when faced with "Oh shit"
Wonder what the original BOLO was? Might not have even entered depending. Maybe should have had bus company contact driver and feign a mechanical issue if it was as serious as it turned out.
Hell ya double fisted pistols!!!, this is the best video I seen in a while Anyone have story about this guy?
Anyone have story about this guy?
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Dont get anything with elastic containment.
heat of the cars destroys that shit.
Nothing funnier than watching a guy with twenty rounds in sling elastic loops shed his shit all over the ground behind the trunk.
Only funny because Ive only seen it happen when it turned out to be a nothing event.
Nah, I wouldnt put it on a sling. Get an over the shoulder go pouch.
At the fear of sounding narsasistic On a board full of some real old school and new skewl badasses I believe I coulda ended that real quick with a service rifle and some cover fire to get into position.. and I was just a 11b grunt..
Hell ya double fisted pistols!!!, this is the best video I seen in a while
pointing north AND south, straight out of the movies
Gotta wade in on this one. Yup kinda a cluster. Having been there done this, maybe I can add a little perspective. If the officers are not prior military, they have only the department training to fall back on. 9 times out of 10, that will fall short. If the officers are not prior military, they likely have not been exposed to someone shooting at them. They train in a make believe world. That training lasts right up to the point you need it to work. Then you are one your own. Some officers get their training from watching tv shows like "COPS". They just don't realize they are being trained when watching the shows. Usually that is an example of what not to do, and how not to do it. I was a rangemaster for about 20 years. You wouldn't believe the stupid shit people would show up and try to do. Straight off tv shows. Most agencies provide the bare minimum for hours of training per year. Far short of what is really needed. Training in actual tactics for dealing with a situation like this? Ya right.
So when you view the video, remember, most, if not all of the cops are likely first timers for this kinda thing. It is going to be a cluster. From tactics to radio traffic (excessive and pointless), things are going to fall far short of a Team 6 mission. They are, however, doing the best they can, with what they have been given to do the job.
All the above is just my opinion. Formed over 30 years in the business, and with help from others in the business, both veterans and civilians. We were our best critics.
So when you view the video, remember, most, if not all of the cops are likely first timers for this kinda thing. It is going to be a cluster. From tactics to radio traffic (excessive and pointless), things are going to fall far short of a Team 6 mission. They are, however, doing the best they can, with what they have been given to do the job.
All the above is just my opinion. Formed over 30 years in the business, and with help from others in the business, both veterans and civilians. We were our best critics.
like you say, a pouch w loose rounds, ready to load when you want to, not load when you need to, member that dude
Totally agree on all points. Making an apprehension on a crowded just seems like you're begging for it to go sideways.
the instructors for the class i went to for embassy duty would always say it, load when you want to not when you have too...
i thought by how they preached it, it was part of the curriculum and it would ring a bell for you. it could have been isolated to maybe a few classes around when i graduated.
Im a 10 round person in a 17 round world.
I've become adept at replacing a magazine of 7 with a full 10 just to ensure the gun is at 11.
With that done three loose are coming out of the cargo pocket to make 7 a 10 again.
In class this weekend 25 round AR mags were shed for full 30s when the moment allowed. The short was than topped off from the loose round pocket. I only felt at peace when everything was full up.
My range experience is generally governed by the "Mother may I" rules.........I've now come to the experience level where it's my perogative to top my ammo supply and I don't need to ask.
It feels good.
Had I time to think about it my problems were magnified in the 6 round Model 19 world MSGs operated.
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I believe there was bystander running away from the van after the cop was tossing rounds towards it? No one flanked the "limp wristing" Ahole (probably what was causing the jams) or to verify the coast was clear before opening up. Also noticed traffic passing by.....
I wonder how many rounds went unaccounted for? Hopefully no one in the neighborhood took one for the team.
I wonder how many rounds went unaccounted for? Hopefully no one in the neighborhood took one for the team.
This should never have happened!
Isn't public transit a no gun zone?
Isn't public transit a no gun zone?
Is it just me, or when the asked her (at the end) where were you hit, she said "In the left leg"... then they started cutter her pantleg off of her right leg.
You can see the blood above her right knee. But it was still a cluster fuck. No manual pressure at all. Not trying to keep patient calm.
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News report from this incident reports one officer and one bystander were also shot. Suspect DOA. Suspect pulled a robbery before entering the bus.
www.wbaltv.com
Suspect dead; police officer, bystander injured in Dundalk shooting
An armed robbery suspect is dead after a shooting Wednesday afternoon in Dundalk that injured a police officer and a bystander, Baltimore County police said.
www.wbaltv.com
in my opinion, deployment of the scattergun was the right call while the BG was in the bus. Superior window penetration @ short ranges is where they shine. Once BG abandons his cover the pistol should be the best choice at that point if a service rifle is not available or slugs cannot be used in the shotgun. This of course is purely for liability purposes, as the pellets cannot be as trusted as a single round. I think they could have ended this far sooner by flanking the BG when he was hanging out the side. Run round back and lay him out from the opposite windows. Plus no chance of cross fire.
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No doubt a hair raising situation. Could have certainly been worse with that man in the back of a bus full of people. Good on the woman for having restraint as she headed back there for him.
But... even if the shotgun was empty (I am assuming so), why would he chuck it like that? Shotgun was just laying out in the road.
But... even if the shotgun was empty (I am assuming so), why would he chuck it like that? Shotgun was just laying out in the road.
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