David Koresh = Pedophile. change my mind.

[GreenGO Juan]

Personally, I think David Koresh(real name Vernon Wayne Howell) was a kiddy fucking pedophile that would not allow the children he groomed for multiple years to escape for fear of the truth coming out. Basically using them as human shields knowing that he was finally caught.

Sadly, the fed’s botched their side of the deal burnig the place down. Many people who did not deserve to die, many of them abused from a young age perished in a tragic, avoidable fire.

I’m starting this thread because some people keep wanting to argue about it in another thread... if you wana go around and talk shit. Heres the place.

 

[Clob McStrunk]

I could get behind that theory

 

[W54/XM-388]

He was abusing those kids so of course the government had no choice but to purposely murder the children.

 

[theLBC]

he was having sex with a teen when he was 20, and i think the youngest in the compound to give birth was 14, so i would say so, depending on what you consider a pedo, which some will says is for kids 12 and younger.
i think his mom was around that age when she gave birth to him, so probably grew up fucked up too.

 

[theLBC]

14 is a child and would have earned him a hole in the head in civilized societies.

i agree, but there are folks that want to be technical about it.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

He was abusing those kids so of course the government had no choice but to purposely murder the children.

Do you really believe their intentions was to kill them, the children in there. The adults that were grooming those kids bear no responsibility for not escaping in the 53 day siege?

he was having sex with a teen when he was 20, and i think the youngest in the compound to give birth was 14, so i would say so, depending on what you consider a pedo, which some will says is for kids 12 and younger.
i think his mom was around that age when she gave birth to him, so probably grew up fucked up too.

I believe he was 24 when he married rachel and was in his 30’s when he went after the younger sister according to what I have seen. There were others too.

Definitely fucked up.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

@myronman3 if you want to continue, heres you invite.

 

[W54/XM-388]

All this stuff about him supposedly being with kids was pumped out after the government went and murdered everyone on purpose
And YES they did it on purpose, they did their very best to make sure nobody got out alive including running heavy tracked vehicles back and forth over where they knew the shelter the children would be hiding from the fire was.
Including having snipers shooting dead anyone trying to flee the flames.
They made sure to set the building on fire in such a way that it would go up almost instantly, after carefully punching a bunch of wind ventilation holes in it.

They tried using the drugs excuse when their guns excuse came up crappy, then they tried the having sex with kids thing once they needed a cover story for murdering the kids.

I remember it very well as it went down not all that far.

So don't go trying to swallow any government revisionist history.

 

[TexPatriot]

What kind of dumbfuck would sell all their belongings and turn that money, wife and daughters over to a guy named 'Vernon Wayne'.

And people wonder how a Beto O'Rourke could ever gain a following.

 

[LawnMM]

These discussions are always interesting.

Even if he was, should he and all his victims have been burnt alive by a bunch of bumbling retards?

Could have at least got the women and kids out before burning the place to the ground.

 

[7.62willdo]

Funny how the government always finds child porn on perps computers, it’s their fall back move….

 

[W54/XM-388]

Do you really believe their intentions was to kill them, the children in there. The adults that were grooming those kids bear no responsibility for not escaping in the 53 day siege?


I believe he was 24 when he married rachel and was in his 30’s when he went after the younger sister according to what I have seen. There were others too.

Definitely fucked up.

Sorry but stop swallowing the government's line like you haven't got a clue.
the government is solely responsible for the murders of everyone.

It was an operation planed to show the government crushing anybody who didn't want to live by the government's rules.
Their excuse was supposedly illegal guns and that was the only thing they went in on.

If the government wanted to arrest David, all they had to do was have the local sheriff pick him up when he went in to town like ALL the time and was known to the police.

 

[TexPatriot]

Why is this son of a whore carrying an M1A as he walks past the charred bodies?

 

[W54/XM-388]

What kind of dumbfuck would sell all their belongings and turn that money, wife and daughters over to a guy named 'Vernon Wayne'.

And people wonder how a Beto O'Rourke could ever gain a following.

You'd be surprised how many fringe religious types essentially try to live "Pure Communism."

Even the crazed religious zealots on the Mayflower tried to live that way until they realized pretty quick that it equaled starvation and death.
(I mean it did take them a year or so of starving to death to figure it out).

You look around at many fringe religious groups and you'll find them all doing the same thing.
The price of admission is you have to turn over everything for "the good of the people."
Of course as always, the leaders seem to have more of a "need" for things than everybody else...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Why is this son of a whore carrying an M1A as he walks past the charred bodies?

Because he was damn proud of the murders he just did.

 

[Rthur]

Whether he was or wasn't what would have been the best way to arrest him and mitigate
collateral damage?

R

 

[Im2bent]

Why is this son of a whore carrying an M1A as he walks past the charred bodies?

A better question for @GreenGO Juan is if they did not intend to kill everyone and were so heartbroken at this tragedy why are the shitheads posing for trophy pics?

 

[W54/XM-388]

Whether he was or wasn't what would have been the best way to arrest him and mitigate
collateral damage?

R

Pick him up in town at the local store where he went a couple times every week.
As confirmed by the local law enforcement.

Maybe not shoot him first the moment he opens the door when you show up yelling that you have a warrant?

I'm guessing enough time has gone on that people are forgetting what really happened and being all like "he was bad and the government had no choice"..

I remember the FBI under Janet Reno, I guess some folks don't

 

[E. Bryant]

These discussions are always interesting.

Even if he was, should he and all his victims have been burnt alive by a bunch of bumbling retards?

Could have at least got the women and kids out before burning the place to the ground.

Seems to me that simply executing a arrest during one of his regular trips outside the compound would have worked. Had he "resisted" and caught a couple dozen bullets, I bet this thread wouldn't exist.

I believe it's possible to be disgusted with both Koresh's acts as well as the behavior of alphabet agencies, and that the former in no way reduces or negates criticism of the latter.

 

[akmike47]

Seems to me that simply executing a arrest during one of his regular trips outside the compound would have worked. Had he "resisted" and caught a couple dozen bullets, I bet this thread wouldn't exist.

I believe it's possible to be disgusted with both Koresh's acts as well as the behavior of alphabet agencies, and that the former in no way reduces or negates criticism of the latter.

What? how fucking dare you think logically!

 

[akmike47]

He probably thinks shooting a mom holding a baby at ruby ridge is fine too. Just because one shitheads being a moron doesn’t mean kill everyone else.

 

[W54/XM-388]

 

[Jerry V]

I have lived within 20 miles of Mt. Carmel for over 55 years. These were people just trying to live in a way they thought was best for them. They were not forced to be residents of the compound. I met Vernon around town a few times, He seemed a little different and did not like government interference with Freedom. He may have been a pedo and a power freak over his flock but that is not why the Gov decided to take everyone's freedom away. The Gov wanted to show power because they where not collecting tax dollars from the communities activities including gun sales. It was all about power and the Gov wanted to make sure they kept it. Cannot have the masses ignoring their power. He could have been arrested anytime on his frequent trips into Waco. Wait till the Gov decides you are not compliant and see how that works out.

 

[Bender]

Personally, I think David Koresh(real name Vernon Wayne Howell) was a kiddy fucking pedophile that would not allow the children he groomed for multiple years to escape for fear of the truth coming out. Basically using them as human shields knowing that he was finally caught.

Sadly, the fed’s botched their side of the deal burnig the place down. Many people who did not deserve to die, many of them abused from a young age perished in a tragic, avoidable fire.

I’m starting this thread because some people keep wanting to argue about it in another thread... if you wana go around and talk shit. Heres the place.

Holy fuck you glowie, gotta reminisce about killing women and children?


Holy fuck

 

[LawnMM]

My point is that people tend to degrade the larger tragedy, the loss of life, by trying to focus on the deeds of one person in the group, instead of on the colossal failure of those that allowed the whole situation to get that fucked up.

He came and left, like said above, grab him when he leaves. Encircling a compound full of women and children and turning it into a standoff is dumb.

For fucks sake, put surveillance in place and just leave. Set up a warrant and arrest him in a month or two. The whole "we're the government and we're going to get our man right now" mentality is what forces urgency in a situation that isn't urgent.

You escalate something that doesn't need to be escalated. Certainly, if it goes bad and burns to the ground, posing for hunting photos probably not a great idea in front of the ashes of women and children.

But hell he was a pedophile and they slept with him so they all deserved it, right?

 

[myronman3]

all speculation. as no one there ever got their day in court, they are still innocent.

Funny how the government pedos always finds child porn on perps computers, it’s their fall back move….

except their own computers.....which is probably where they got the porn from anyway....which they probably filmed themselves, first hand.

Pick him up in town at the local store where he went a couple times every week.
As confirmed by the local law enforcement.

Maybe not shoot him first the moment he opens the door when you show up yelling that you have a warrant?

I'm guessing enough time has gone on that people are forgetting what really happened and being all like "he was bad and the government had no choice"..

I remember the FBI under Janet Reno, I guess some folks don't

all that makes too much sense. anyone who remembers that know what the original accusation on the warrant was? iirc, it was some weapons charge. that's all i remember them talking about when it first happened. it wasnt until after they burned everyone alive that they started with the child abuse drumbeat.

my guess is the op is a youngster that is too busy being weird himself, than to be interested in what actually happened then/there

. dim bulb should change his screen name to "dickroot".

 

[TexPatriot]

On a freakishly windy day and a hot wind howling at 30 knots, they breached a hole at the upwind end of the compound. I always thought that was suspicious.

Immediately there was a fire set and the clapboard compound went up in a billowing firestorm which of course the government blamed on the Davidians but learning how bad the government lies I now believe it was the government.

 

[Maggot]

He's a dead piece of shit. forget him, think about the future.

 

[Bender]

The government will stand over the ashes of your children and take selfies.

 

[myronman3]

My point is that people tend to degrade the larger tragedy, the loss of life, by trying to focus on the ALLEGED deeds of one person in the group,

FIFY

 

[W54/XM-388]

On a freakishly windy day a hot, scouring wind howling at 30 knots, they breached a hole at the upwind end of the compound. That was always suspicious to me.

Immediately there was a fire set and the clapboard compound went up in a billowing firestorm which of course the government blamed on the Davidians but learning how bad the government lies I now believe it was the government.

They did more than one hole if you watch the video and you could swear you see a flamethrower going on the end of one of their tanks as it pulls out.

 

[myronman3]

i want each of you to remember that you can be accused of anything, and evidence can be planted, and that alone will ruin you.

i don't believe any accusation the government makes anymore. PROVE IT or it is "not guilty" to me. the days of a mere accusation being enough for me, are long gone.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

These discussions are always interesting.

Even if he was, should he and all his victims have been burnt alive by a bunch of bumbling retards?

Could have at least got the women and kids out before burning the place to the ground.

I think they were trying to. But failed

Holy fuck you glowie, gotta reminisce about killing women and children?


Holy fuck

Aren’t you an ex cop???

Arresting him around town would not have given them access to the Compound. While I get the logic, as far as their investigation, it would’ve gotten them nowhere. And who’s to say if they arrested him downtown then gone back to the compound the same shit with the broken out?

He probably thinks shooting a mom holding a baby at ruby ridge is fine too. Just because one shitheads being a moron doesn’t mean kill everyone else.

Your assertion is incorrect. We could also talk about Leonard Peltier if you want to?

Pick him up in town at the local store where he went a couple times every week.
As confirmed by the local law enforcement.

Maybe not shoot him first the moment he opens the door when you show up yelling that you have a warrant?

I'm guessing enough time has gone on that people are forgetting what really happened and being all like "he was bad and the government had no choice"..

I remember the FBI under Janet Reno, I guess some folks don't

No, What I’m saying is those people were so whacked out they would’ve fought back regardless of what action was taken did. They weren’t gonna allow themselves to be caught.

I am not saying it wasn’t a cluster fuck. What I’m saying is the people at that cult hold responsibility for their actions too.

 

[Bender]

I think they were trying to. But failed

Aren’t you an ex cop???

Arresting him around town would not have given them access to the Compound. While I get the logic, as far as their investigation, it would’ve gotten them nowhere. And who’s to say if they arrested him downtown then gone back to the compound the same shit with the broken out?


Your assertion is incorrect. We could also talk about Leonard Peltier if you want to?

No, What I’m saying is those people were so whacked out they would’ve fought back regardless of what action was taken did. They weren’t gonna allow themselves to be caught.

I am not saying it wasn’t a cluster fuck. What I’m saying is the people at that cult hold responsibility for their actions too.

Ex. Not Feds. Fuk the Feds.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

i want each of you to remember that you can be accused of anything, and evidence can be planted, and that alone will ruin you.

i don't believe any accusation the government makes anymore. PROVE IT or it is "not guilty" to me. the days of a mere accusation being enough for me, are long gone.

You accuse me of thinking it’s OK to burn those kids alive.

You’re more than welcome to prove where I’ve said that. Speaking of false accusations. Pot meet kettle

 

[Darayavaus]

Funny how the government always finds child porn on perps computers, it’s their fall back move….

and the nation they want to go to war with always starts "gassing their own people" at that exact moment.

 

[TexPatriot]

They did more than one hole if you watch the video and you could swear you see a flamethrower going on the end of one of their tanks as it pulls out.

Once the fire was started, the Feds said they witnessed Davidians on the upper floor spreading a liquid with their hands. I call bullshit. Who is going to sling an accelerant in an already burning building with their bare hands?

 

[myronman3]

We could also talk about Leonard Peltier if you want to?

try and act intelligant all you want....i've got $20 that says if it wasnt for R.A.t.M., you wouldnt know shit about that.

No, What I’m saying is those people were so whacked out they would’ve fought back regardless of what action was taken did. They weren’t gonna allow themselves to be caught

PURE speculation. you do not know ANY of that.

ask yourself this....if they were willing to burn them alive, live on national t.v., what would they be willing to do behind closed doors where no one could see?

this whole police state thing has gotten out of hand. when it changed to the SWAT mentality, away from being peace officers......that's when it all started to go to hell.

 

[Im2bent]

Once the fire was started, the Feds said they witnessed Davidians on the upper floor spreading a liquid with their hands. I call bullshit. Who is going to sling an accelerant in an already burning building with their bare hands?

Oh they were spreading liquid alright.....its called water as in trying to put out the fire so they don't burn alive.

 

[Ric O'shay]

Starting this thread is like taking a crap on some ones front porch, and then ringing the bell to argue with them about who did this. Just a no win situation Guano

 

[TexPatriot]

Oh they were spreading liquid alright.....its called water as in trying to put out the fire so they don't burn alive.

You know, I never thought of that. I bet you're right. The way the Feds reported it there was much urgency among the Davidians in the upper floor, yelling 'hurry hurry' while spreading some type of liquid with their hands. They were most likely trying to put the fire out.

 

[diverdon]

Could be he was. We will never find out because Janet Reno and Bill Clinton incinerated all the children and other evidence along with the perp.

 

[myronman3]

the feds are lucky boards like this didnt exist then. their half assed excuses and lies would have been exposed faster than they could manufacture them.

 

[BCP]

I vote we make him the official Sniper's Hide Gimp

 

[TexPatriot]

the feds are lucky boards like this didnt exist then. their half assed excuses and lies would have been exposed faster than they could manufacture them.

I remember all I had was an Apple Word processor. I watched the coverage from news and heat wave distorted camera footage shot from a mile away showing helicopters and a billowing inferno.

Soldier of Fortune magazine did a good article on it that didn't shed particularly good light on the Feds.

 

[J.J.chago]

I vote we make him the official Sniper's Hide Gimp

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Ok. It that a dogs head to the right in the pic….? Where’s the peanut butter

 

[LawnMM]

Dude, I can't fathom the context of a conversation where a dude sends another dude a photo like that...

Assuming neither is looking for an interlude anyway

 

[JMGlasgow]

If what you say is true, why hasn't the FBI agent that was undercover in the compound said anything about pedophilia? Or the people that left the compound of their own accord before all this happened? To my knowledge no survivors have accused Koresh of what you say he did.

Back it up with facts or shut the fuck up.

 

[W54/XM-388]

No, What I’m saying is those people were so whacked out they would’ve fought back regardless of what action was taken did. They weren’t gonna allow themselves to be caught.

No, you are completely mis-informed.
They were actively trying to negotiate a safe surrender, it's a bit hard to surrender when snipers are shooting at you anytime they saw somebody.
They were also trying to negotiate for not stupid charges as the first 2 old ladies that went out to surrender and didn't get shot by the snipers were promptly charged with murder and not treated very well.

The group was actively trying to work out a peaceful surrender.
Several Radio and media types were in communication with them as well and trying to help them work out a surrender without getting murdered.

I don't have any clue what on earth your handlers think they are doing telling you to go dig up this event and try to put a new spin on it, but some of us were around at that time and have really good memories of what went down.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Lots of posts, probably already mentioned.

NOTHING was said about abused children until it went to shit in a handbag when they couldn't help themselves from bringing out the calvary to arrest a civilian.

Edit: Koresh was a POS IMO too. But did we need to burn everyone to get him? Apparently it's a woman and children first mentality.