Defiance released a new action today! This has me scratching my head a bit. Why is it $100 less than the deviant with the same features and added precision to the bolt? Anyone have any thoughts/insight?
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If I had to guess it’s probably because they have got better machines and have cut down on machine time. Benefit of success for us.
I tried looking it up but found nothing, if I had to guess it probably wouldn't have all of the added user options so they can offer it at a better price like the Tenacity.
Just a guess though.
Just a guess though.
I read that. Question still stands about price.
They have to compete with other precision actions which have more features. Competition on the market means the customer reaps the benefits.
I just wish defiance would use a three lug design
What features does anyone else offer other than trigger hanger now? Seems to me defiance is just pricing these to move!
Mechanical or blade type ejection, interchangeable bolt heads to name a couple.
Yes and no, I see the one piece bolt as a feature in it self. They do offer mechanical ejector in their elite models.
Until recently, defiance required a smith to have the dimensions. Impact and lone peak upped the game with pre-fits and now their are actions with 60 degree bolt throws. Terminus and curtis can attach barrels with no vice needed. Those are a few advancements I can think of.
I didn't realize they had an action with mechanical ejection.
I think Tacticaldilhole pretty much nailed it though, better machinery with less steps in the process holding tighter tolerances.
I have a couple of Kelbly Tac actions and real like them but have been wanting a Defiance for a while now any of them I'm sure would put a smile on my face.
Lots of great choices from many different companies, more than I can keep up with.
As some have already noted, with the development of our newer bolt design that you've seen already on the Tenacity and the Elite, we are able to achieve the same desired quality but with fewer steps and less waste. We also won't be offering the Ruckus with quite as many possible customizations as our flagship Deviant. With some new machines, fewer steps, and less variations between models, we're able to offer a great action at a slightly reduced cost, with the tolerances everyone wants.
Why no 3 lug options?
There are plenty of other great options for 3 lug designs, without us moving from our current model, which along with a few other great manufacturers has done just fine.
10-4. Was just curious. I likes options and choices.
What’s the wait time on lefty magnum bolt face?
You're confusing requiring smiths to have the dimensions with offering highly customizable actions and variants.
Right now our lead times are about 30-60 days out.
Um, wow! That’s even more exciting.
Since I didn't get here, quick enough to start the thread, and I'm sure Frank would appreciate it if we didn't start another...
Ruckus: Defiance’s New Custom Optioned Platform with Guaranteed Headspace Consistency
– starting at $1230
The Ruckus action brings the benefits of Defiance’s growth and advancements to our customers. Machining to tighter tolerances with fewer operations, and many of the options that made our Deviant action a success. The Ruckus is the next action you need to build the best rifle you can.
*Available in Tactical, Hunter, GA Hunter, and Ultralight profile
Specifications
SHORT ACTION (Model 7™ Length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM
MEDIUM ACTION (Model 700™ SA Length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM, .750” Bolt add $100
XM ACTION (Intermediate length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM
LONG ACTION (Model 700™ LA Length) – $1280
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM, .750” Bolt add $100
(Extra bolt $275.00 complete with extractor, ejector, and fire control assembly)
*Not currently available in 3 position safety or controlled round feed with claw extractor and blade ejector
Ruckus: Defiance’s New Custom Optioned Platform with Guaranteed Headspace Consistency
– starting at $1230
The Ruckus action brings the benefits of Defiance’s growth and advancements to our customers. Machining to tighter tolerances with fewer operations, and many of the options that made our Deviant action a success. The Ruckus is the next action you need to build the best rifle you can.
*Available in Tactical, Hunter, GA Hunter, and Ultralight profile
Specifications
- Receiver made of pre-hardened aircraft certified 416 Stainless steel
- One piece bolt machined in one operation enabling guaranteed headspace tolerance of +/-.001″
- Bolt made of pre-hardened aircraft certified 4340 Chrome moly
- Receiver barrel threads are 1.0625” X 16 T.P.I. (Rem. 700 thread dia. And pitch)
- Integral mil spec 1913 (Picatinny) scope mount available in 0 and 20 MOA.
- Most rigid design for ultimate accuracy
- Works with detachable magazines, hinged floor plates, or single shots
- Medium length (Rem. SA) offered with AW magazine cut
- Actions available in Short, Medium, XM, and Long lengths to accommodate most popular factory chamberings and extended length hand loads
- All material pre-hardened prior to machining to prevent changing tolerances during heat treat.
- Receiver machined from one piece of pre-hardened 416SS.
- Wire EDM-cut, full-length lug ways result in smooth bolt operation.
- One-piece bolt made of pre-hardened aircraft-certified 4340 chrome moly machined in one operation enabling headspace tolerance guarantee of +/-.001″
- Primary extraction design significantly increases initial extraction and ensures smooth bolt cycling.
- Bolt face diameters available for all standard and wildcat cartridges.
- Extractors are M-16 type.
- Designed, as well as detachable magazines and single shots.
- Multiple magazine well cuts available for all of today’s popular magazine types including detachable boxes or single shot.
- Standard footprint for ease of stock selection and off-the-shelf custom fit.
SHORT ACTION (Model 7™ Length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM
MEDIUM ACTION (Model 700™ SA Length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM, .750” Bolt add $100
XM ACTION (Intermediate length) – $1230
416R SS, 1.350” OD receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM
LONG ACTION (Model 700™ LA Length) – $1280
416R SS, 1.350” OD Receiver bottom, .700” Bolt, 4340 CM, .750” Bolt add $100
(Extra bolt $275.00 complete with extractor, ejector, and fire control assembly)
*Not currently available in 3 position safety or controlled round feed with claw extractor and blade ejector
Also, bear in mind, an extra bolt assembly for the Ruckus is now only $275, rather than $350. For someone looking to swap barrels and calibers, who doesn't need some of the customizations of the Deviant, but still wants to maintain the one-piece bolt design, it's a smoking deal.
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Their bolts are not expensive either.
I love my deivant! Can’t wait to get one if these
I dont need another action.....nah...
Not now...why would i...but its sexy though
Arghhhhh fk fk!! Ok i want just one for now
Not now...why would i...but its sexy though
Arghhhhh fk fk!! Ok i want just one for now
I don't. But I'm someone that thinks that 3 lugs are overrated.
I think this is cool, another great option for us shooters!
Will a prefit barrel work on a Deviant, tenacity , and a ruckus? Or just the newer actions?
It's a great time to be a shooter. All these top tier manufacturers keep on making great products.
It's a great time to be a shooter. All these top tier manufacturers keep on making great products.
The Ruckus has a headspace guarantee, but the top of the line Deviant does not have a head space guarantee?
Curious about this as well. Was hoping they would also determine that Deviants by action length made within a certain past timeframe and going forward would also have a headspace guarantee.
Just a guess, but I’m sure it’s due to the fact that the deviant has interchangeable bolt heads and the Ruckus doesn’t not ensuring that each one is exact.
Valid point. Not interchangeable like a Bighorn per se, but they do have custom bolt nose options that would limit the ability to guarantee headspace on the Deviants across the board.
Yeah my mistake, I was confusing it with the bighorn but as @Gunfighter716 pointed out with the different options available, my thought may still be valid.
Stay tuned for the future...
When I said dimensions, I meant headspace so you could screw your own barrel on. So you're saying the Deviants didn't have as consistent headspace? I'm really confused.
We never said anything regarding the headspace on our Deviants. I responded to your statement that we required "dimensions," which I assumed you meant for the bolt and everything, and that simply isn't correct. Regarding our headspacing on the Deviants, because we offer so many variants and custom options, and the nature of how we machine them and the steps it takes, guaranteeing headspacing posed difficulties as bolts transitioned through various steps to achieve that higher level of customization. At Defiance we are always looking for ways to improve our manufacturing process, so that we can continue to innovate and improve our products without increasing cost to our customers. One of the ways that we have done that is the purchase of three new machining centers. These large machines are cutting edge technology and allow us to machine bolts and receivers in far fewer operations, holding closer tolerances on certain dimensions. From that, we’re able to maintain consistency of headspace to +/- .001" on some of our actions now.
Nice. I have a deviant I was looking for another action for a 6.5 PRC and this looks like the deal. When can we order?
Defiance has always been kind to the lefty crowd. We aren’t getting left out. Looks like now I have another excuse to upgrade my trusty old war pony from a Nesika to a ruckus. This couldn’t come at a better time as I’ve been stressing out over what action I wanted without breaking the bank. Unlike 15 years ago lefty options in custom actions today is excellent.
Team Defiance,
About 8K rounds in a lot of conditions on my Deviant and still my favorite....never let me down.
Agree you have all been very lefty friendly! Will the Ruckus be avail left bolt/right eject?
(For the rest of us--lets not derail this into the good/bad of this configuration discussion).
Cheers
ZY
About 8K rounds in a lot of conditions on my Deviant and still my favorite....never let me down.
Agree you have all been very lefty friendly! Will the Ruckus be avail left bolt/right eject?
(For the rest of us--lets not derail this into the good/bad of this configuration discussion).
Cheers
ZY
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Proof just announced prefits for the Ruckus
Liar!!!!
GREAT! I'm really glad to see Defiance is stepping up to the plate and getting actions out for the market that is demanding prefits.
We'll do prefits as well. I'm looking to get my hands on the action or tenon print as we speak.
If we can get a print today we'll have prefits available for built-to-order inside of a week and on-the-shelf options will be before the end of January.
Anyone interested in putting together a group buy for barrels on it we can discuss, I don't want to completely hijack the thread though.
We'll do prefits as well. I'm looking to get my hands on the action or tenon print as we speak.
If we can get a print today we'll have prefits available for built-to-order inside of a week and on-the-shelf options will be before the end of January.
Anyone interested in putting together a group buy for barrels on it we can discuss, I don't want to completely hijack the thread though.
