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democracy in iraq, the kurds

Who fucking knows. I think theyre all crazy. From what Ive seen and read the Kurds seem like the only reasonable game in town. Including the Americans.
 
This has a lot to do with Turkey as well, they will lobby hard for the maintenance of a unified Iraq because they don't want their own Kurds to get any more crazy ideas. Fuck them all, I say back Kurdistan's independence, but it has less chance of succeeding as Catalonia's does (or California's), and that's pretty much nil too.
 
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At some point we'll run out of alqaeda-types in the area and syrian, russian, iranians start shooting the Kurds. Either the Kurds get screwed or we get further involved. How do we pull our guys out and stop supplying the Kurds? Just slip out early one morning and change our phone number?
 
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Kurd cleptocrat moving into Beverly Hills , seems Dubai is falling out of favor , note most of the GWOT new rich have so far stuck to Dubai

 
Lines were drawn on the map with no regard to tribe, culture or language divisions.

Let them cage match and figure it out.

Darwin will make things right.

If whatever rises to the top threatens our way of life at least we will only have one problem to deal with.

Should have let this happen circa 1920.
 
In any case Iraqi kleptocrat moving into US just means they have anough political backing in US to be without fear about anyone ever asking about illgoten $$ , that is why most stick to Dubai ,no one questions where the money bags came from , most of Afghani war profitters are there as are the Iraqis ,Iranians,even Assads relatives living it rich safe from anyone siezing the looted fortunes.

 
In any case Iraqi kleptocrat moving into US just means they have anough political backing in US to be without fear about anyone ever asking about illgoten $$ , that is why most stick to Dubai ,no one questions where the money bags came from , most of Afghani war profitters are there as are the Iraqis ,Iranians,even Assads relatives living it rich safe from anyone siezing the looted fortunes.



Karzai's family runs a restaurant in Cambridge, Ma.

Whod a thunk Afghani food was so popular.

 
Lines were drawn on the map with no regard to tribe, culture or language divisions.

This is what totally fucked everyone and everything.

That mess was caused by the British (our oldest and most dangerous enemy).
They did it on purpose, with cold, calculating maliciousness towards the people in that whole region.

They didn't want stable, solid, unified countries as that would get in the way of their empire and the west being able to pillage the less advanced countries for all their wealth while handing a few baubles to a rich,corrupt,brutal local dictator who would need their constant support and help to not get overthrown and executed.

This is not something new, it has been done since the Assyrians/Persians. The British empire did this all over the world.
Then when that was not enough they went further with moving populations around to purposely create persecuted minorities and local ethnic tension.
Like Tamils in Sri Lanka, Indians in Fiji, African Slaves in America, Native Americans vs. Colonials, and the list goes on.

Then thanks to the UN and the western powers forcing their own strange constructs of countries to stay in existence the problem is never fixed.

We however aren't much better in recent history, we have been busy trying to overthrow anyone that could keep a country stable and preferring chaos for our own ends.
 
Democracy and anywhere in the middle east do not belong in the same sentance at any point in time.

You have varying amounts of tribalism across all of the ME countries. Some are more pronounced like in Afghanistan, some are smaller yet more polarized like in Iraq and some are intertwined in politics in a 2nd rate country like Turkey and Iran. None of these, especially under the guise of islam, have a chance at actual democracy in any workable form other than bullshit 'elections'.

Another factor in play is that even if your tribe or version of islam doesn't like whatever other tribe/version of islam, you for the most part dislike anyone who isn't muslim more.

The only outcome to anything middle east, short of completely destroying all of them, is protracted infighting and shifting of power. This will translate into what it always has; muslim countries being in a constant state of war with each other and/or civil war and it either ending up with some tribe/part of the 'winning' side imposing their shit on everyone else, gaining a little marketshare and then rinse/repeat. Forever.

The single biggest mistake western civilization has ever made was to not let them just keep killing each other and focusing on keeping them in each others' backyards.
 
You know how many Hunder Bidens in mayor western capitals run on ME money , and some are not just clueless junkies like him some have influence.

Special interests get paid that is why no one is geting out of ME any time soon.
 
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