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Rest easy man. I think Bama is going to be alright, but I do see this as their end run around game.
If they want to take guns away from dangerous people no politician should ever have one.
Get to work.
It alarms me that many in the LE community are ok with such laws. Can I ask anyone in LE, what purpose these laws serve when all one would have to do is obtain guns illegally? I mean I see these laws as ripe for abuse!
dont let anyone take your rights or your property no matter what you have to do.
how else does a socialist government supposed to take root they can't allow you to have any real means to protect yourself .
Mitch is at fault for teh loss of Ala, Mitch, McCain, and Carl Rove, all fellow travelers,, that have got to go,,,
Dangerous people with guns take the attention away from the rest of us.
Let them be.
Put some little redflags in all your neighbor's yards.
Let them be.
Put some little redflags in all your neighbor's yards.
you have guns to be a check on the people who will decide who and who is not dangerous under these unconstitutional laws... fuck that.
I’m still waiting for someone to answer my question. I’m also told that you’d be sent to an evaluation and that if it was found to be BS that you’d get your stuff back. Why do I not believe that? Also, how do I know the one doing the evaluation isn’t a gun hating liberal?? I know up to the courts huh? Well, there again what if the judge is a gun hating liberal as well? Yes, I can somewhat see the merit in these laws but how do you keep it from being abused? I don’t get it. People want to give up more power to an entity that has already proven to abuse its power. Where in the hell does that make any sense?
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Stupid unthinking people in LE parrot politically correct doublespeak.
They are truly for "the criminally wrong" to not have guns. And it looks good to appear on camera in support of feel good laws that make the sheep feel secure.
However, LE in AL already has the laws in place to remove guns from criminally wrong people, and legally adjudicated mental people. Been in place a looong time... Federal law is also in place. Been there.
Red flag laws have no place because of the potential for abuse, and spiteful bullshit, "scairt of my shadow" complaints.
LE Administration in todays world is not the same from Grandfathers day. The education system from high school to graduate school that produces Administrators is not our friend.
The older LE have the old values. The younger LE who have said education, been denutted by PC, pussified by PC, and have no conflict resolution experience, grab on to anything that looks like it will empower them. Scared....
The f'd up shootings by pussified scared officers is evidence of this phenomenon. Their leadership fails for many of the same reasons.
Welcome to your new generation officers, politicians, administrators, and such. Its here.
There is hope, because there ARE still young people who still hold the values and constitutional principles who serve. We must support THEM.
Those who constantly compare them to the bad ones, alienate potential allies, who both they and we non comparers, need.... in spades.
FM31-21 encourages these people to be inside, and we should also, AJ...
We need to meet those youth, welcome them, nurture them, and mentor them, not push them away. We need to invest in them.
Stupid unthinking people in LE parrot politically correct doublespeak.
They are truly for "the criminally wrong" to not have guns. And it looks good to appear on camera in support of feel good laws that make the sheep feel secure.
However, LE in AL already has the laws in place to remove guns from criminally wrong people, and legally adjudicated mental people. Been in place a looong time... Federal law is also in place. Been there.
Red flag laws have no place because of the potential for abuse, and spiteful bullshit, "scairt of my shadow" complaints.
LE Administration in todays world is not the same from Grandfathers day. The education system from high school to graduate school that produces Administrators is not our friend.
The older LE have the old values. The younger LE who have said education, been denutted by PC, pussified by PC, and have no conflict resolution experience, grab on to anything that looks like it will empower them. Scared....
The f'd up shootings by pussified scared officers is evidence of this phenomenon. Their leadership fails for many of the same reasons.
Welcome to your new generation officers, politicians, administrators, and such. Its here.
There is hope, because there ARE still young people who still hold the values and constitutional principles who serve. We must support THEM.
Those who constantly compare them to the bad ones, alienate potential allies, who both they and we non comparers, need.... in spades.
FM31-21 encourages these people to be inside, and we should also, AJ...
We need to meet those youth, welcome them, nurture them, and mentor them, not push them away. We need to invest in them.
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I wish Alabama would go after drunk/impaired/texting drivers first if they want to truly save lives
They are elitist and think they should be the only ones with guns. Nothing worse than a pos elitist gun owning gun grabber
Not going to happen in Bama.. there would be a redneck uprising.
First off, you are painting with an awful broad brush there. While I am no longer active, I am retired LEO, and am not ok with these laws, nor are any of the guys I worked with that I still talk to. In fact, did we not have a thread here about all the Sheriff's saying they would not enforce these laws? If you are listening to police chiefs ramble, you are listening to politicians who have to suck up to their mayor to keep their jobs. These laws are ripe for abuse, that's why most cops I know are not for them. But keep up with the stereotypes….
If ya would have read, he acknowledged the older cops typically have “older values” .. is it possible your the one stereotyping because someone suggested some le are for disarmament? I met “young ones” in the mil that when asked about if ordered to take away guns from Americans said “follow orders I guess” ... mil, leo, citizen, ignorance of youth is the real culprit.
I have something to ask about the sheriff's who will not follow the edict. So some sheriffs will not obey the state law, and be willing to take one for the team. While state AG or whoever, says you must comply or we will jail you. Both are in violation of the laws, but the sheriff is not willing to arrest anyone from the state ???? Why is the US constitution not law ? Doesn't the sheriff have the authority to arrest someone for violating the law ?
Or do we have to wait until a judge interprets the 2A ??? I guess the real question would be if the judge understood the law states no one can hinder a person's right to bear arms..
Or do we have to wait until a judge interprets the 2A ??? I guess the real question would be if the judge understood the law states no one can hinder a person's right to bear arms..
it is law, it is the supreme law. the sheriffs have more power under common law than any democrat or republican lawyer with any title from scotus on down,,, the gov might be able to take action but not an ag.
Lol
Like any of these laws are about "safety" or "saving lives" or "healthcare"
All about more .gov control/money/power. None of the laws are to help the serfs
Drunk drivers are not a danger to an overreaching government.
People with guns are.
People with guns who are also vocal and like to speak their minds are even more dangerous.
Hence the "red flag" laws. One passionate rant with a few strong words and that may just cost someone his guns. He might even be Finicum'd during the 3AM SWAT raid, if the state feels that he is enough of a troublemaker...
This shit must NOT be allowed to manifest in any form. Otherwise, anyone who wants to enact a full gun confiscation can just use this as a springboard to achieve their goals. An entire community or town can be 'red flagged' because of their voting record, if they want to get froggy enough.
Interesting,.....there are people who think they can run faster than 22K FPS? That is already in the book,...
True. State AG's can offer opinions and recommendations on "a passed and signed law", but have no enforcement power.
If enforcement follows their opinion or recommendation, the court that hears the aftermath either approves or rejects the action/opinion/recommendation, then the a/o/r can have/not have the status of "law".
Reverend AJ has often pointed out those opinions and judge decisions make "law" where the written/passed/signed law said otherwise. And those opinions and decisions and the fool that makes them, are the problem.
Your right, too broad a brush. I was speaking directly about the younger gen of LE that I personally know. They have made comments multiple times to me that are quite alarming and quite the opposite of the older gents in LE that I know. In fact, the older guys have gotten out of it because they claim it’s not worth it anymore and they are let’s say much more reserved than the younger ones I know. Not saying all of the younger generation is that way as I know some excellent young men that are on local SWAT teams that I highly respect, but it seems the vast majority of young guys I come across are quite the opposite.
What about the concept of "cover your ass" by the one 'deciding'? Their view could very easily be "well, you're already here being checked out, so there MIGHT be something, and I can't be part of making something worse, so "nothing to be returned, JUST IN CASE"....
I mean, if they're already not following the Laws and the Rights of citizens, then what's to make them actually START now?
do not obey any unconstitutional law, its simple as that, protect your property, protect your rights and protect yourself with all means necessary.
That is how you put government and despots back within their ring fence as proscribed by the 10th.
That is how you put government and despots back within their ring fence as proscribed by the 10th.
The issue is however that using that requires careful and methodical pre-planning a long time in advance and being prepared, setup and a lot of other stuff. Too many are a bit short sighted and would like just have some guns that they can shoot it out with the oppressor team that shows up at their house.... What you are talking about requires a lot more planning preparation and staging, but generally will mean you don't have to worry about shooting it out with the oppressor team.
10-15 to one odds suck in a true gunfight. Only press your luck when you hold a Ace High Royal Flush. This is just for the book right?
That’s exactly my point!
Just out of curiosity, has anyone written their reps about any of this? Not that it will do any good, I’m not naive enough to believe that, but I am curious as to the responses.
Pebblin Warren is our red flag pushing anti gun communist democrap representative and full on red. Imagine a screeching witch voice, "I supports dat legislation 1000% !"
Doug Jones is the senator until Tuberville runs and we hope we get T....
Doug Jones is the senator until Tuberville runs and we hope we get T....
who is Carl Rove and Mitch picking for your next senator?
That POS Jones came into the closest LGS an wanted a photo op. The guys that runs the show is in a wheel chair. Jones want all the black evil guns removed before the snap shot. Jason said OK but wait a second, he wheels back to his place just behind the shop grabs a SBR AR w/a can an comes back as says I'm ready Jones about blew a gasket an stormed out, Fuck him. Interesting he got elected but not a person I know or have talked to voted for his ass,... The local Sheriff (yes the one you know from his HP days down there) is buds with guess who. Ain't life great?
There a belt down there that would never be missed if divine intervention ever happened. There are a few,... we,.... would make sure they were ok, to the same point/plan of helping Gary exfil his work, shit hole if need be,...
edit,...almost the same plan to get or Russian friend, but his A/O is 10 times worst than Gary's so we may have a higher count getting him an his Child out.
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You'll be first on the take-away list.
Same here.
^^^Dat cause yalls wb's doan speek tuskegite, or selmite, or uniontownite...... or whitehallite, ... mus I go on ?
And I would posit you havent talked to many who ADMIT (now) they DIDNT vote at all bc they refused to vote democrap and didnt vote rm bc they believed he liked choice veal over aged beef. Just sayin...
And I would posit you havent talked to many who ADMIT (now) they DIDNT vote at all bc they refused to vote democrap and didnt vote rm bc they believed he liked choice veal over aged beef. Just sayin...
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