Hey guys I just talked to Scott at liberty optics great guy and alot of help I ordered a 6.5-20x44 mil dot viper did I make a good choice haven't heard much on the 44mm I wanted the 50mm but don't have the extra money
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Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way.
The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way.
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way. </div></div>
Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight.
While pondering those factoids, you should consider why scope makers build scopes with Illuminated reticles. They make them because in low light, in the real world, you lose the reticle many minutes before you lose the target image.
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
To the OP, you bought a great scope, enjoy it.
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way. </div></div>
Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight.
While pondering those factoids, you should consider why scope makers build scopes with Illuminated reticles. They make them because in low light, in the real world, you lose the reticle many minutes before you lose the target image.
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
To the OP, you bought a great scope, enjoy it.
Bob
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
You made a good choice. I have one and am very pleased. IMO it is a best buy as to price vs quality.
You made a good choice. I have one and am very pleased. IMO it is a best buy as to price vs quality.
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way. </div></div>
Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight.
While pondering those factoids, you should consider why scope makers build scopes with Illuminated reticles. They make them because in low light, in the real world, you lose the reticle many minutes before you lose the target image.
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
To the OP, you bought a great scope, enjoy it.
Bob
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Lol, now thats funny. There is a reason why scope manufactures make different size objective lenses. If you can't figure out why than you should listen to this wannabe scope snob because apparently he knows all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2brothers641</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 50mm is maybe going to add 15 minutes of shooting at dusk and dawn. If that doesn't bother you, you did great. It is a great scope either way. </div></div>
Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight.
While pondering those factoids, you should consider why scope makers build scopes with Illuminated reticles. They make them because in low light, in the real world, you lose the reticle many minutes before you lose the target image.
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
To the OP, you bought a great scope, enjoy it.
Bob
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Lol, now thats funny. There is a reason why scope manufactures make different size objective lenses. If you can't figure out why than you should listen to this wannabe scope snob because apparently he knows all.
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
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Pretty sure the PST's will be, that's what's causing the delay. It's hard enough to catch a unicorn, but getting them to bust ass into a scope tube is near impossible.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
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Pretty sure the PST's will be, that's what's causing the delay. It's hard enough to catch a unicorn, but getting them to bust ass into a scope tube is near impossible.
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
"Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight."
BobinNC, I know you are being facetious, that said most individuals cant utilize the light produced by a 56 mm scope let alone a 72. Although a larger, wider exit pupil can give you more area to look through, anything over a 5mm exit pupil ( as far as light is concerned ) is for most of us, a waste.
The human eye's pupil can open to 7mm, but it will only do so after about 30 minutes in near total darkness. If there is any ambient light at all the pupil will only open to about 5mm, making any excess light from a 5.6 or 7.2 exit pupil, useless…
"Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight."
BobinNC, I know you are being facetious, that said most individuals cant utilize the light produced by a 56 mm scope let alone a 72. Although a larger, wider exit pupil can give you more area to look through, anything over a 5mm exit pupil ( as far as light is concerned ) is for most of us, a waste.
The human eye's pupil can open to 7mm, but it will only do so after about 30 minutes in near total darkness. If there is any ambient light at all the pupil will only open to about 5mm, making any excess light from a 5.6 or 7.2 exit pupil, useless…
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AQC440</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight."
BobinNC, I know you are being facetious, that said most individuals cant utilize the light produced by a 56 mm scope let alone a 72. Although a larger, wider exit pupil can give you more area to look through, anything over a 5mm exit pupil ( as far as light is concerned ) is for most of us, a waste.
The human eye's pupil can open to 7mm, but it will only do so after about 30 minutes in near total darkness. If there is any ambient light at all the pupil will only open to about 5mm, making any excess light from a 5.6 or 7.2 exit pupil, useless…
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AQC440, The above information is partially true. The real benefit, in low light, is being able to utilize a higher magnification setting with the given maximum exit pupil. the 72mm mentioned has a 6mm exit pupil at 12x.
There are other benefits, such as increased resolution, but for the sake of this discussion (low light) this is the primary one. After all that is said, in application the big 72 does seem to have an edge over even our 56's at all magnification settings. It is one of those things that you really do have to see it to believe it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AQC440</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Wow, 15 minutes at both dusk and dawn from a pesky 6mm. Is that a scientific quote or a swag? Do you think if Vortex made a 56mm you get another 15 minutes? How about a 72mm objective like Zeiss/Hensoldt makes? Heck you should be able to hunt with that one till Midnight."
BobinNC, I know you are being facetious, that said most individuals cant utilize the light produced by a 56 mm scope let alone a 72. Although a larger, wider exit pupil can give you more area to look through, anything over a 5mm exit pupil ( as far as light is concerned ) is for most of us, a waste.
The human eye's pupil can open to 7mm, but it will only do so after about 30 minutes in near total darkness. If there is any ambient light at all the pupil will only open to about 5mm, making any excess light from a 5.6 or 7.2 exit pupil, useless…
</div></div>
AQC440, The above information is partially true. The real benefit, in low light, is being able to utilize a higher magnification setting with the given maximum exit pupil. the 72mm mentioned has a 6mm exit pupil at 12x.
There are other benefits, such as increased resolution, but for the sake of this discussion (low light) this is the primary one. After all that is said, in application the big 72 does seem to have an edge over even our 56's at all magnification settings. It is one of those things that you really do have to see it to believe it.
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Volatile</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
</div></div>
Pretty sure the PST's will be, that's what's causing the delay. It's hard enough to catch a unicorn, but getting them to bust ass into a scope tube is near impossible. </div></div>
I bet that's why some people put beans in chili!
Jim
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Volatile</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Vortex makes great scopes, but they don't fill them with magic unicorn flatulence, allowing you to see your reticle in the dark.
</div></div>
Pretty sure the PST's will be, that's what's causing the delay. It's hard enough to catch a unicorn, but getting them to bust ass into a scope tube is near impossible. </div></div>
I bet that's why some people put beans in chili!
Jim
Re: Did I Make a Good Choice
HuDisCo
My statement still holds true. 6mm is still more light then the human eye can normally utilize.
You have however opened my eyes to the reasoning behind larger objective scopes.
Magnification is Objective diameter divided by Exit pupil.
72 / 6 = 12, 72 / 5.14 = 14, 72 / 7.2 = 10
56 / 4.66 = 12, 56 / 4 = 14, 56 / 5.6 = 10
44 / 3.66 = 12
We are cheating ourselves by feeding 4.66mm of light at 12x into an eye that can handle 5mm. At least at 6mm we are covering the eyes full potential. Your statement, “the big 72 does seem to have an edge over even our 56's at all magnification settings” holds true.
Thanks for the insight…
HuDisCo
My statement still holds true. 6mm is still more light then the human eye can normally utilize.
You have however opened my eyes to the reasoning behind larger objective scopes.
Magnification is Objective diameter divided by Exit pupil.
72 / 6 = 12, 72 / 5.14 = 14, 72 / 7.2 = 10
56 / 4.66 = 12, 56 / 4 = 14, 56 / 5.6 = 10
44 / 3.66 = 12
We are cheating ourselves by feeding 4.66mm of light at 12x into an eye that can handle 5mm. At least at 6mm we are covering the eyes full potential. Your statement, “the big 72 does seem to have an edge over even our 56's at all magnification settings” holds true.
Thanks for the insight…
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