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DOPE questions (noob)

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JJRawr

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#1
I'm really confused on what to log in my book. I'm new to shooting rifles and I've put only 100 rounds at 100 yards downrange over the last 3 visits. Getting better on my shot groups after subscribing to training.

I mean, if I'm shooting in the same city over and over (El Paso), would it do much good to record the altitudes and everything?

Also, I'm confident at 100 yards and I want to move up. Should I just try to zero at 125, 150, etc and log all of the scope adjustments? That way I can review them later when I rangefind? Is that the most common thing to do?

Haha, sorry for these questions, I know you guys are gonna flame me hard, but I'd rather ask a stupid question than no question and learn something.
 
#6
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Even though your altitude may not change but everything else has. The longer the distance the more important that stuff becomes. Check out JBM ballistics .com and input different altitude, humidity, wind, barometric pressures and whatch the effect on the bullet at 1000 yards
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KNIGHT11B4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you plan on shooting distance and dont want rediscover DOPE every range trip, trade in that pad and pen for a real data book.

My suggestion would be to get on of the modular premade books.


http://www.impactdatabooks.com/

or

http://stormtactical.com/</div></div>


+1 to either one of these books.
 
#10
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It's true you only need to log what changes. I log caliber, gun, brass, powder, and bullet. I log location, temperature, elevation, 100 yard zero change (if any), barometric pressure (if I know it), and at every 100 yards I shoot I log MOA used, group size, high/low amount, right/left amount and any other info that is pertinent like who I was shooting with or any other event that might cause me to remember the day.
 
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Fellow 'Hiders, Thank you all for the kind words, and willingness to help out a newer PR shooter.

JJ,

Thanks for the order, your kit is going out today priority mail with delivery confirmation, so you should have it mid-week.

We don't take any pay for the Data Book sales, all our Data Book profits go to www.AmericanSnipers.org to get the snipers in harm's way the gear they need. We have donated over 600 Data Books to that fine organization.

Mark & The Crew at Storm Tactical


 
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I have a question myself regarding DOPE.

I understand the value of logging data......but how do you reference it later?

If one day you are out shooting and the temp is X, the barometric pressure is Y, the humidity is Z......how do you reference that specific info to previous data?

Do you flip through your log book until you find something similar?


When I lived out in Utah, I would get up in the morning to go shoot out in the desert. I'd get there at 6:00am and it would be 45 degrees, dead calm and damp. By noon it would be 95 degrees, windy and bone dry.

Obviously my DOPE from in the morning, would be worthless at extreme ranges that afternoon if I was taking a shot hunting.

I found it better just to enter all relative info into my ballistic program and start over.


Do you guys have a better method for accessing DOPE under relative circumstances or are you better off some other way?

That was one of the reasons I never took a shot at anything other than steel. I didn't want to gut shoot an antelope or otherwise just wound the animal. If I couldn't do it responsibly, I wasn't going to do it at all.
 
#15
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Lofty,

It's called density altitude and it makes tracking and referencing ballistic data so much easier. It takes the temperature, pressure, altitude, and humidity and combines it into one figure. You can use a Kestrel or other weather meter to get your DA but there are other ways of manually calculating it like using the Adaptive FDAC.

I made a couple of DA charts using this online calculator, mainly by playing with the temp and pressure to get the DA that I wanted.

http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_da_rh.htm

I then took the environmental data from there and plugged it in to the JBM program with all my other velocity data and stuff to get the ballistic information that I needed. I've got a chart in my data book that goes from -2000' DA to +9,000' DA and from 50 to just over 1000 yards in 25 yd increments, it's pretty accurate too.
 
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I gotcha...Im familiar with DA, it was very relevant in my skydiving days.

I wasnt aware of how to plug it into my software to make a simpler DOPE solution.

Thanks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mahiman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 </div></div>

Thanks for agreeing with me
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We don't take any pay for the Data Book sales, all our Data Book profits go to www.AmericanSnipers.org to get the snipers in harm's way the gear they need. We have donated over 600 Data Books to that fine organization.</div></div>

Did not know that... you just got another order shipping to Arlington, TX.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did not know that... you just got another order shipping to Arlington, TX. </div></div>

Todd,

Your book is going out with the morning orders. Thank you all again for supporting www.AmericanSnipers.org with your Data Book purchases.

Mark & The Crew
 
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Mark you don't make any money at all off the books? All the profits are donated to American Snipers? Not doubting but just wondering as I have never heard that before.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark you don't make any money at all off the books? All the profits are donated to American Snipers? Not doubting but just wondering as I have never heard that before. </div></div>
Rob

Yes. None of us get paid for this. All our profits from book sales go to print books that we give to American Snipers. They ship the books to snipers overseas, and put our books on the donation tables at gun shows and other events, so our donation books help them generate cash as well as gear for direct shipment to units overseas.

We have had a good 2011 in sales thus far, and because of that, I was able to get another 100 donation books printed for American Snipers this week. Today I bought another pack of CDROMs, and after I burn the CD's, I will box up and ship these 100 books to American Snipers. I am hoping to get them 3 or 4 of these shipments this year, depending on our 2011 sales.

Thank you for asking this, we don't do a very good job of getting this info out there.

Mark

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#23
Re: DOPE questions (noob)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mark you don't make any money at all off the books? All the profits are donated to American Snipers? Not doubting but just wondering as I have never heard that before. </div></div>
Rob

Yes. None of us get paid for this. All our profits from book sales go to print books that we give to American Snipers. They ship the books to snipers overseas, and put our books on the donation tables at gun shows and other events, so our donation books help them generate cash as well as gear for direct shipment to units overseas.

We have had a good 2011 in sales thus far, and because of that, I was able to get another 100 donation books printed for American Snipers this week. Today I bought another pack of CDROMs, and after I burn the CD's, I will box up and ship these 100 books to American Snipers. I am hoping to get them 3 or 4 of these shipments this year, depending on our 2011 sales.

Thank you for asking this, we don't do a very good job of getting this info out there.

Mark

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That is a wonderful thing you are doing Mark. Thank you for your support.

Huge thanks to Mark and Storm Tactical... Class Acts.
 
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