where would be a good place to buy a full auto rimfire? id like a 15-22 or 10-22. obviously i have to do all the paperwork, im just having trouble finding dealers or manufacturer's who carry full auto 22lr
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Because they are all pre 86, no one manufactures civilian legal full auto.
Check www.sturmgewehr.com
Because they are all pre 86, no one manufactures civilian legal full auto.
Check www.sturmgewehr.com
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22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.
22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.
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Subgun.com usually has quite a few listed.
Subgun.com usually has quite a few listed.
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am i mistaken thinking somone like red jacket can build you one? not nessessarly red jacket, but they are the onlly ones i know of
am i mistaken thinking somone like red jacket can build you one? not nessessarly red jacket, but they are the onlly ones i know of
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Machineguns manufactured after the 1986 ban are available only to governmental entities and to dealers wishing to demo said machineguns to said governmental entity. The Average Joe can possess machineguns registered prior to the 1986 ban. Those guns are known as transferables. There are transferable 10-22s. Obviously, there will not be any transferable 15-22s.
Machineguns manufactured after the 1986 ban are available only to governmental entities and to dealers wishing to demo said machineguns to said governmental entity. The Average Joe can possess machineguns registered prior to the 1986 ban. Those guns are known as transferables. There are transferable 10-22s. Obviously, there will not be any transferable 15-22s.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">am i mistaken thinking somone like red jacket can build you one? </div></div>
Yes, you are mistaken as defined in the post above this one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">am i mistaken thinking somone like red jacket can build you one? </div></div>
Yes, you are mistaken as defined in the post above this one.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transferable 10/22's run close to $10k. When people find that out they usually lose interest in a hurry. </div></div>
And an AM180 is about 7-8 grand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transferable 10/22's run close to $10k. When people find that out they usually lose interest in a hurry. </div></div>
And an AM180 is about 7-8 grand.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BESETbyAPOSTATES</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transferable 10/22's run close to $10k. When people find that out they usually lose interest in a hurry. </div></div>
And an AM180 is about 7-8 grand. </div></div>Julia's had one AM180 in their fall auction earlier this month, and it ended up selling for $10,350. Prices are nuts right now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BESETbyAPOSTATES</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Transferable 10/22's run close to $10k. When people find that out they usually lose interest in a hurry. </div></div>
And an AM180 is about 7-8 grand. </div></div>Julia's had one AM180 in their fall auction earlier this month, and it ended up selling for $10,350. Prices are nuts right now.
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A 15-22 wouldn't work, since they are too new, but getting a 22 upper for a registered M-16 lower would be my recommendation if you are willing to spend the $11K+ price of admission. The good news is that you could use the lower for all of the other calibers that are compatible with an ar-15.
A 15-22 wouldn't work, since they are too new, but getting a 22 upper for a registered M-16 lower would be my recommendation if you are willing to spend the $11K+ price of admission. The good news is that you could use the lower for all of the other calibers that are compatible with an ar-15.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Machineguns manufactured after the 1986 ban are available only to governmental entities and to dealers wishing to demo said machineguns to said governmental entity. The Average Joe can possess machineguns registered prior to the 1986 ban. Those guns are known as transferables. There are transferable 10-22s. Obviously, there will not be any transferable 15-22s. </div></div>
now it makes sense. i appriciate all the info folks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Machineguns manufactured after the 1986 ban are available only to governmental entities and to dealers wishing to demo said machineguns to said governmental entity. The Average Joe can possess machineguns registered prior to the 1986 ban. Those guns are known as transferables. There are transferable 10-22s. Obviously, there will not be any transferable 15-22s. </div></div>
now it makes sense. i appriciate all the info folks
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the only way to get a new MG would be for you to get an FFL 07 manufacturing license and pay the SOT ( $500 a year)which will allow you to make NFA items and sell them to other SOT, LE and military. You also have to show a profit from the business and not using it to enhance your collection only.
hope this helps.
the only way to get a new MG would be for you to get an FFL 07 manufacturing license and pay the SOT ( $500 a year)which will allow you to make NFA items and sell them to other SOT, LE and military. You also have to show a profit from the business and not using it to enhance your collection only.
hope this helps.
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A reliable 10/.22 NFA gun is going to cost a LOT. Previously, meaning about five years ago when I was still shooting select-fire guns (owned a half dozen, shot more), I recall one selling for around $8k. This was a John Norell conversion, considered by many to be the best.
Another option, and there are a lot more of these available, is the American 180. Still pricey, but more were manufactured and they do come up from time to time on the NFA boards, but you're still looking at - easily - $5k to $8k.
A good investment. And there are 300 (360?) round drums available. You can literally write your name on a berm with one of these. Takes forever to load by hand (some special tools were available at one time for reloading), but is a LOT of fun to shoot.
Good luck finding what you're looking for.
A reliable 10/.22 NFA gun is going to cost a LOT. Previously, meaning about five years ago when I was still shooting select-fire guns (owned a half dozen, shot more), I recall one selling for around $8k. This was a John Norell conversion, considered by many to be the best.
Another option, and there are a lot more of these available, is the American 180. Still pricey, but more were manufactured and they do come up from time to time on the NFA boards, but you're still looking at - easily - $5k to $8k.
A good investment. And there are 300 (360?) round drums available. You can literally write your name on a berm with one of these. Takes forever to load by hand (some special tools were available at one time for reloading), but is a LOT of fun to shoot.
Good luck finding what you're looking for.
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it seams like the best way to do this (not the most economical) would be to buy a m16 lower and swap uppers.
i really appriciate you folks taking the time to explain this.
it seams like the best way to do this (not the most economical) would be to buy a m16 lower and swap uppers.
i really appriciate you folks taking the time to explain this.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable". </div></div>
good to know
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable". </div></div>
good to know
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable". </div></div>
Great info but not correct on all accounts.
A Pre-86 dealer sample is a machingegun that was imported between the amnesty of 1968 and the ban of 1986. The Gun Control Act of 1968 made it illegal to import machineguns for sales to civilians. They could be imported as dealer sales samples though and many were. When most of us see Pre-86 we think of these guns. Post 86 machineguns are those which were imported or manufactured in the US after the ban of 86. Neither of these types are transferable to individuals. The pre-86 guns can go a a class 2 or class 3 FFL just like any transferable gun. They don't require any hoop jumping other than the standard transfer paperwork. The guns can be kept by the individual who owned the FFL if he gives up the FFL but it can only be transferred to an FFL who pays the SOT (special occupational tax) to be a class 2 or 3.
Post 86 dealer samples require a letter from a certified Police dept or approved govt entity asking for a demonstration of the weapon in order to get a transfer approved. If the FFL holder gives up his FFL he must destroy, surrender to ATF or sell his post 86 samples to another qualified dealer or manufacturer. That is the big difference between the pre and post 86 samples.
Transferable guns are any which were imported prior to the GCA68 or manufactured and registered in the US prior to May 19 of 1986 when the Gun Owners Protection Act was signed into law. It was also known as the McClure Volkmer Act and the hughs amendment was the part that banned new MG's.
In short, civilian ownership or registration has absolutely nothing to do with the transferability of a registered machinegun or any other NFA firearm. It has to do with when it was registered and whether it was imported or made here.
Hope that clarifies
Frank
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kl3309</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">22 full auto are out there. You will need to find a pre '86 FA that is either FA .22, or can take (is papered) to take a .22 conversion.</div></div>
Quick word on pre-86/post-86:
A machinegun maunfactured before May 1986 but not registered (by a civilian owner) before the ban, is referred to as a pre-86 (or pre-May) dealer sample. These can be kept by a Class III dealer even after he surrenders or retires his FFL.
A machinegun manufactured after May 1986 is a post-86 (or post-May). A dealer can not keep these guns if he surrenders or retires his FFL.
Neither pre-86 nor post-86 guns can currently be possessed by private citizens.
The term "pre-86" is not interchangeable with "transferable". </div></div>
Great info but not correct on all accounts.
A Pre-86 dealer sample is a machingegun that was imported between the amnesty of 1968 and the ban of 1986. The Gun Control Act of 1968 made it illegal to import machineguns for sales to civilians. They could be imported as dealer sales samples though and many were. When most of us see Pre-86 we think of these guns. Post 86 machineguns are those which were imported or manufactured in the US after the ban of 86. Neither of these types are transferable to individuals. The pre-86 guns can go a a class 2 or class 3 FFL just like any transferable gun. They don't require any hoop jumping other than the standard transfer paperwork. The guns can be kept by the individual who owned the FFL if he gives up the FFL but it can only be transferred to an FFL who pays the SOT (special occupational tax) to be a class 2 or 3.
Post 86 dealer samples require a letter from a certified Police dept or approved govt entity asking for a demonstration of the weapon in order to get a transfer approved. If the FFL holder gives up his FFL he must destroy, surrender to ATF or sell his post 86 samples to another qualified dealer or manufacturer. That is the big difference between the pre and post 86 samples.
Transferable guns are any which were imported prior to the GCA68 or manufactured and registered in the US prior to May 19 of 1986 when the Gun Owners Protection Act was signed into law. It was also known as the McClure Volkmer Act and the hughs amendment was the part that banned new MG's.
In short, civilian ownership or registration has absolutely nothing to do with the transferability of a registered machinegun or any other NFA firearm. It has to do with when it was registered and whether it was imported or made here.
Hope that clarifies
Frank
