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Euro Optic shipping procedures SUUUUCK!

Nope, not even close. 🤦🏻‍♂️

I wouldn’t have a problem with no signature except for the fact apparently UPS can lose it and it’s my loss. Typically, with an insured package, that’s not the case. So, yeah, I do have a problem with that.

Also, Euro doesn’t suck, them using UPS sucks because there’s now no flexibility in receiving a package once it goes out with a signature required for reasons already stated. I understand them wanting to prevent theft, and knew it required a signature, but as already stated above 👆, I had no idea I could no longer have it routed to a local pick up point. That information would have been nice to know.

The short story is, if you order a scope from Euro and you actually have a job and your wife also has a job and there’s no one at home during the day, be forewarned, there’s no way to get your package and it will be sent back. This effectively takes Euro off the places to buy list for me and others in this situation. Your only option is to go with no signature and hope that UPS doesn’t lose you package; if they do, it’s your loss, not UPS’s. According to Maggot, the only other possible option is to pay to rent a box at a UPS store and they can sign for it.

Got it now?
This is why you gotta work from home buddy :p
 
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Hate to say this but Amazon is the only reliable delivery service out there. It will put the others out of business if it ever decides to become a general delivery service (not just for Amazon). They use GPS to pin point where a package needs to go and the exact drop off location.

Fedex leaves packages anywhere. Then they investigate and show a grainy picture that it was delivered --except clearly not to my front steps. They've lost ~$4500 worth of gear this year alone. I (my vendors) have gotten good at filing claims. I eventually get my items at no further cost to me or the vendor. It pays to use vendors with good CS reputations. I pay extra to not ship via FedEx if it is an option.

UPS--better than FedEx but still random with respect to delivery dates. But, they have a habit of leaving the package at the mailbox in the street rather than at the garage. (Package theft for $100 Alex.) So much for instructions in my UPS profile. The driveway is a quarter mile long. My assumption--lazy drivers.

USPS-It is actually a drinking game - follow the tracking and try to predict the next destination in the route and when it might actually get delivered. Package is "Moving Through Network" for $200 Alex.

As for companies wanting to upcharge to guarantee delivery--work it into your pricing. Otherwise, it comes across as a scam like those extended warranty options. I've stopped shopping at companies that upcharge. I am not sure how a failed delivery would work with my credit card. I would just contest the charge, no???

I recently ordered something from Eurooptic through Walmart. I didn't realize I was doing that at the time. Same price but Walmart shipping protection without the Eurooptic upcharge. It was shipped from EO directly. I imagine that Walmart gets a cut of the purchase price. I wonder if that costs EO more than the shipping upcharge??
 
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This is why you gotta work from home buddy :p
Fuuuck. I also can’t count the number of times I’ve seen “delivery attempted. No one home” on the the delivery status. The fuck it was. I was here all day, working…

I don’t remember exactly when all of the shippers just started leaving packages at the door, delivery instructions be damned. But, back when they left those little stickies on the door, once a delivery attempt was made, I would log on to their site and change the instructions to “hold at hub.” That was more convenient than playing “will they, won’t they” with the delivery drivers.

And, back when I worked at a HQ building, I had a few things shipped there.

But, be careful with that. I had a friend that was forced to fire an employee b/c he had several hundred lbs of ammunition shipped to his office address. As I recall, the ammunition wasn’t there issue. The weight of the shipment was.
 
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Fuuuck. I also can’t count the number of times I’ve seen “delivery attempted. No one home” on the the delivery status. The fuck it was. I was here all day, working…

I don’t remember exactly when all of the shippers just started leaving packages at the door, delivery instructions be damned. But, back when they left those little stickies on the door, once a delivery attempt was made, I would log on to their site and change the instructions to “hold at hub.” That was more convenient than playing “will they, won’t they” with the delivery drivers.

And, back when I worked at a HQ building, I had a few things shipped there.

But, be careful with that. I had a friend that was forced to fire an employee b/c he had several hundred lbs of ammunition shipped to his office address. As I recall, the ammunition wasn’t there issue. The weight of the shipment was.
Was it AJ?
 
Nope, not even close. 🤦🏻‍♂️

I wouldn’t have a problem with no signature except for the fact apparently UPS can lose it and it’s my loss. Typically, with an insured package, that’s not the case. So, yeah, I do have a problem with that.

See that's your problem
You want risks taken but you also don't want to be the one responsible for the outcome of the gamble with the risks you wish taken if a problem happens.

The seller is NOT going to take a risk on losing a bunch of money just because you don't want to take precautions.
Sorry that is how you go out of business in a huge hurry, a single loss takes a large amount of legit sales to recover from.

You apparently don't want to take the risk either so why are you complaining?
 
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I’ll try after they make one attempt. Euro told me the same thing so far.

Too bad we can’t all be “conventional” like @Milf Dots and either be independently wealthy, retired, or on government handouts without a job. I guess it is unconventional to actually have a JOB these days; we are in the minority.

You could have it sent to your work address or your wife's work address...
That's what I do with anything high value that requires a signature while I'm at work.
If your work doesn't allow or support that, well that's another story.

You could also get a package delivery place (PMB) and setup your credit card billing address to be there and have your packages delivered there without any problems.

Remember the seller would like to sell it to you, but they would prefer NOT to sell it to you at all if there is a decent risk of loss.
 
It is loaded ammo so it requires an adult signature which is $8 by itself. So the actual shipping charge is only $16 or so which still seems high, but it depends on how far it is going and how much it weighs.

Have you let the ups and FedEx sales reps battle over your business?
My BIL used to be FedEx sales. His game was too beat UPS prices for you, while UPS was doing the same.

If you do enough volume, they cut some good prices. And, you can usually use your account to have stuff shipped to you also, so you get your shipping price and not theirs if yours is going to be cheaper.
 
I’ll try after they make one attempt. Euro told me the same thing so far.

Too bad we can’t all be “conventional” like @Milf Dots and either be independently wealthy, retired, or on government handouts without a job. I guess it is unconventional to actually have a JOB these days; we are in the minority. Don’t worry, we will keep it up so all y’all who don’t work for whatever reason, won’t have to. The fact that no changes can be made to deliveries like in the near past, is not yet on Euro’s website when checking out; you would have to call UPS for that, but even they probably couldn’t tell you until after they had a tracking number. The person I talked to said it was the way Euro shipped it that prevented any changes. For the average working Joe, which is less than 50% of the populace, these policies make it hard to order from Euro, but hey, at least the policies don’t affect the majority of people these dsys

@Im2bent UPS said they would not try to deliver this on Saturday, so unfortunately it’s not an option, although in my case, this time, it doesn’t matter anyway as I’m still out of town.

I’m just not suppose to have that scope, it must be a real lemon.
What a nasty response lmao. No wonder even the UPS driver wants to make sure you get the box from his hands :D
 
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See that's your problem
You want risks taken but you also don't want to be the one responsible for the outcome of the gamble with the risks you wish taken if a problem happens.

The seller is NOT going to take a risk on losing a bunch of money just because you don't want to take precautions.
Sorry that is how you go out of business in a huge hurry, a single loss takes a large amount of legit sales to recover from.

You apparently don't want to take the risk either so why are you complaining?


What we have here is a failure to communicate or difficulties with reading comprehension, I’m not sure which.

What you interpret as “my problem”, I don’t see as a problem. You are right, I don’t want to take the loss, and I shouldn’t have to if I’m paying for a service, in this case, from UPS. Euro shouldn’t have to take the loss either if UPS fails to deliver the product tendered to them for which they are paid to deliver. I don’t blame Euro at all for setting up a system that mitigates their risk of loss; they should do that. However, I am frustrated with how they have gone about it and I’m not sure if it’s their fault or their UPS sales reps fault, but as stated, I thought, clearly above several times, their system makes receiving a package for a person who works, very difficult or not possible at all due to a complete lack of flexibility which is not clearly communicated on Euro’s website, but it needs to be; hence my compliant. I know a lot of people on here order from them and they have a good reputation, but these recent developments in how they ship along with the lack of flexibility on the receiving end needs to be communicated as it will likely negatively affect many of us here, who work. The only work around of having no signature required, removes liability from Euro, which it shouldn’t be on them in the first place, but also from UPS and it should be on them as they are responsible for its care while in their possession. UPS has recently made it worse by closing all their hub counters where you could pick up a package as well as remote drop off locations; obviously, not Euro’s fault.

You mentioned sending to a business and as communicated several times above, it is Euro’s policy to ONLY ship to the same address as the credit card used. That is their policy and it is not possible to ship to another address and for the record, I’m not complaining about that policy, I’m just stating as it’s a fact. I understand they have had issues with doing that in the past and have likely been on the loosing end when they should not have been, so I understand why they have that policy.

Setting up a package delivery place, while an interesting idea, doesn’t help in this situation, not to mention who knows what that would cost. If I was trying to receive a lot of packages or if my hood had a porch pirate problem, which it doesn’t, that would be a great idea, as Maggot has already mentioned above.

My post is simply a public service announcement, because it’s not communicated on Euro’s website and it’s out of the ordinary, to all the regular Joe’s who work and may want to purchase from Euro to inform them they need to consider the lack of flexibility in regards to how they will be receiving a package from Euro and make appropriate adjustments by calling them to see if other options for shipping exist before they order, or by having an adult present at their house to get the package if possible. That’s the long and short of all this. What Euro really needs to do is ring their UPS reps neck for putting them in a position to lose business because of UPS’s lack of taking responsibility for the shipments while they are in their possession. If I was Euro, that’s what I would do. Sadly, I’m sure they are at the mercy of their reps, both UPS and FedEx, and that sucks for everyone involved.
 
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10 years ago I ordered a scope through Euro Optics. It required a signature. UPS put it on the porch for God and everyone to see. I was a little pissed when I found it. If I was one of those type of people I would have said I never received it and prove that I did.
 
What you interpret as “my problem”, I don’t see as a problem. You are right, I don’t want to take the loss, and I shouldn’t have to if I’m paying for a service, in this case, from UPS.

THIS is really the point. If you hire a contractor to work on your house he is expected to insure his workmanship against accident and shoddy workmanship. In fact, in many places, it’s the law.

Somehow we have allowed these shipping companies to pass the buck and make insurance an upsell option to cover their accidents or shoddy workmanship.

We erroneously think this just gives us more options but where is the incentive to NOT have accidents or NOT provided shoddy workmanship if they are off the hook?

Now web retail companies are getting in on this SCAM by offering optional insurance as an upsell. In many cases this means passing the proverbial buck, you and your information to a third party. It is a SCAM that will become the norm, like with shipping companies, if we keep tolerating it.

When I ship to my customers I am responsible for the package until it gets there. I choose the shipper, handle the packaging and employ best practices to assure my packages arrive safely. The customer has no saying in any of that. All that I require of my customers is if there is a damage claim, I need to have photographs and have them cooperate with the information, so that I can file a claim. If they give me the information I need, I immediately replace the package and take my chances filing a claim with the shipping company. It is no longer the customer’s burden.

We’ve allowed these companies to run rough shot over us for far too long.
 
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I call and ask for Kent at MH, or email him what i want; he sends me invoice, i give him authorization, and my package arrives at work.I have liberty to sign any and all packages incoming :D

I see someone getting frustrated with this. I remember back in the day emailing someone that i take full responsibility of the package and do not want signature verification.
 
THIS is really the point. If you hire a contractor to work on your house he is expected to insure his workmanship against accident and shoddy workmanship. In fact, in many places, it’s the law.

Somehow we have allowed these shipping companies to pass the buck and make insurance an upsell option to cover their accidents or shoddy workmanship.

We erroneously think this just gives us more options but where is the incentive to NOT have accidents or NOT provided shoddy workmanship if they are off the hook?

Now web retail companies are getting in on this SCAM by offering optional insurance as an upsell. In many cases this means passing the proverbial buck, you and your information to a third party. It is a SCAM that will become the norm, like with shipping companies, if we keep tolerating it.

When I ship to my customers I am responsible for the package until it gets there. I choose the shipper, handle the packaging and employ best practices to assure my packages arrive safely. The customer has no saying in any of that. All that I require of my customers is if there is a damage claim, I need to have photographs and have them cooperate with the information, so that I can file a claim. If they give me the information I need, I immediately replace the package and take my chances filing a claim with the shipping company. It is no longer the customer’s burden.

We’ve allowed these companies to run rough shot over us for far too long.




Exactly 👏. As it is, the unreliable shippers who are difficult to hold accountable, even after buying their upsold insurance, put the liability on us or the shipper. I can understand why a place like Euro gets pissed at absorbing losses, especially with the high end products they sell, and eventually get to the point where they instigate policies to stop the bleeding at the hands of irresponsible shipping companies who make it an act of God to successfully submit a claim for loss they caused. I don’t see it getting better anytime soon either. Such is life.
 
What you guys are failing to grasp is that the problem is not only porch pirates, it's the pos buyer that gets his expensive item and then claims he never got it. Without a signature the buyer can make any claim he wants. So who foots the bill? The insurance doesn't want to payout because the buyer is a scammer. The seller same thing.
 
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What you guys are failing to grasp is that the problem is not only porch pirates, it's the pos buyer that gets his expensive item and then claims he never got it. Without a signature the buyer can make any claim he wants. So who foots the bill? The insurance doesn't want to payout because the buyer is a scammer. The seller same thing.


Yeah, with all the scammers even targeting our members I can see that being an issue. I don’t have a problem with having to sign for it, just wish I would have known that even with a My Choice account with UPS that I pay for that this shipper, Euro, has everything so locked down that I have no choices. And yes, it is the shipper, Euro, who has it locked up this way, not UPS. I strongly suspect Euro has gone this route because of UPS being difficult to get to cover loss claims, but it can make things very difficult for the receiver.

Reference pics below that it’s the shipper who has tied UPS’s hands in this situation, some of which I understand and some of which I don’t; I’m not sure why I can’t have it held or change the delivery date to 7/29, which would be the 4th business day, when I am actually at home. They tried to deliver today and no one was home. This is a screen shot from my My Choice account.

All I’m saying is, if you order from Euro, call them, see when it will ship, get an estimate of when it will arrive, and make sure you will be on the poach waiting for the brown truck, as you have no other options. Period.

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