Even lawful gun owners have no legal protection in New Jersey. Security guard detained over perfectly legal gun and ammo.

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  • New Jersey State Police pulls over 25 year old Roosevelt Twyne for driving with "excessive tint" in his left side window. Twyne informs the officers that he is legally armed and is a security guard employed in the state of New Jersey. Officers still arrest him regardless and brings him to "the tank", where he will have to spend the weekend until he can see a judge on Monday.

    Initial charges that NJSP filed against him was "illegal possession of a firearm", although Twyne is legally licensed to carry, as well as "possession of illegal hollow point ammunition". The ammunition in question, Hornady Critical Duty, is completely legal for civilians to purchase and own in New Jersey.

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    ........The Washington Free Beacon spoke to Twyne’s attorney, Evan Nappen, who said Twyne is a security guard with a permit to carry a gun.


    Nappen said, “He was arrested for the hollow point ammunition. Then they claimed he was transporting his handgun illegally. He had a permit to carry a handgun. The law … makes it clear that it’s illegal to transport unless you are licensed pursuant to chapter 58. And that is precisely what a handgun carry permit is.”

    He noted that the ammunition in Twyne’s possession, Hornady “Critical Duty” ammunition, was issued by his employer. Moreover, he pointed to the New Jersey State Police website, which shows that such ammo is not considered hollow-point ammunition in the state of New Jersey.....
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    Fundraiser for Mr. Twyne's legal defense...


     

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    I'm sure his attorney will file all the proper lawsuits to make them pay.....I hope he gets a massive payday.
    Good for the victim. But thats another problem in itself. Law enforcement needs to be individually held accountable for their actions, and not just using tax money to cover lawsuits.
    I bet when LEOs start going to jail across the country for their illegal or careless actions, youll see alot less keystone cops. Start thinning out the ignorant scum and keep the actual professionals on duty
     

    mmahoney

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    I just did a quick search and found this. I wonder if he didn't have it concealed?
    concealed.JPG
     

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    Sorry. Just read the article. Sounds like he was arrested for the ammo? What a crock of shit.
     

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    I doubt the security guard at the bank or in the armored car is going to be carrying concealed. That tub will have an Armed Guard Card.

    True. I didn't think of that. This incident is screaming "racism". I bet I would have been let off with a warning to reduce the tint of my windows.
     

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    Crime must be really low in New Jersey. The state police are stopping people to check their window tint for revenue?
    Wait, wait. I know. How they going to know if it's a black person driving if the window tint is too dark? That puts a big snag in the "proactive" policing of the populace.
     

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    it is perfectly legal to own, but not to use hollow point ammo. Its been a running joke for years. They will try and say he had intent or some shit. I also would not be to sure that anything at all will happen to the cops involved. In their mind, they just stopped or potentially stopped super deadly cop killers, as hollow points are known in NJ, from being used or falling into the wrong hands. If the guard had FMJ's loaded perhaps it may have been a different outcome. Just another reason I bailed my life there and and moved my family to the south. We love it here.
     

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    Crime must be really low in New Jersey. The state police are stopping people to check their window tint for revenue?
    Wait, wait. I know. How they going to know if it's a black person driving if the window tint is too dark? That puts a big snag in the "proactive" policing of the populace.

    Just like having a tail light with a burnt out bulb, it is just an excuse to pull you over and see if you are breaking other more serious laws like transporting drugs.
     
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    maybe in most other states, but in good ole NJ I would not be so sure.
     

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    Yeah the average security guard is never going to be know as anything other than a mall cop. But, the average New Jersey cop is simply a gun thug with a badge. With 70% of law enforcement, the most important thing is that you submit to their whims even though they know less about the law than the average criminal and they consider 90% of people to be criminals. That being said, I'd rather have them doing their job than have the Democrat alternative of uncontrolled crime and illegal activity.

    Three years ago in my area, the cops congratulated a guy for shooting the armed carjacker who stole his work truck and $50k in tools and then arrested him for murder. His crime? Shooting the armed carjacker who stole his truck and tools. Under the guise of supporting his actions they questioned him without advising him of his rights and used his statements to fabricate a case against him. He was acquitted and in Washington state if you prove self-defense the Persecutor has to pay your defense costs and lost wages.
     

    BLEE

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    An illegal arrest in here, in Louisiana, can likely result in a dead citizen, or dead officer. In my law enforcement training, we were taught to be very careful of arrests, because citizens have the right to resist by whatever means necessary, if we're wrong. Most states have the right to resist illegal arrests. It's a common law, next to civil law. We don't know what happened, first hand and I don't know New Jersey law. If the officer(s) abused his rights, they and those that supported it, need to be punished.
     

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    An illegal arrest in here, in Louisiana, can likely result in a dead citizen, or dead officer. In my law enforcement training, we were taught to be very careful of arrests, because citizens have the right to resist by whatever means necessary, if we're wrong. Most states have the right to resist illegal arrests. It's a common law, next to civil law. We don't know what happened, first hand and I don't know New Jersey law. If the officer(s) abused his rights, they and those that supported it, need to be punished.

    Resisting arrest seems like a dumb idea even if the cops are wrong. Like you said, likely to result in a dead citizen or officer. It reminded me of this incident not long ago where a lady ran from the police because she didn't agree with her ticket. If she were a young black male she probably would have been shot with a gun instead of tased.
    Cop tases old woman
     

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    I'm sure his attorney will file all the proper lawsuits to make them pay.....I hope he gets a massive payday.
    The person arrested in NJ is in good legal hands. Evan Nappen is a prominent and skillful 2A attorney who will carry that case as far as it can go. We need a follow-up on Heller vs. DC anyway.
     
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    Resisting arrest because you know the LEOs are wrong is a recipe for disaster. It will be far less risky to explain it to the judge.

    Of course, that being said - if it ever comes to gun confiscation teams - resisting will be an understatement.
     

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    Colin noir highlighted this in a YouTube video he made as well.

    Personally I think the guy is getting shafted.
     

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    Apparently we can't speak ill of "The King's Men"........

    The rest of the country is slowly waking up to the realization that "The King's Men" are the new redcoats and when the spark finally is lit, the redcoats shouldn't expect anyone from any side to be willing to give them quarter.

    I'll just say they will have brought it on themselves and will deserve what they get.
     

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    Resisting arrest because you know the LEOs are wrong is a recipe for disaster. It will be far less risky to explain it to the judge.

    Of course, that being said - if it ever comes to gun confiscation teams - resisting will be an understatement.
    ^^^^^^^ I would rather get a check from the citizens than lead from a cops gun. Especially since he gets to tell the narrative and make sure you look like Carl from Caddy Shack
     

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    NJ is a communist shit hole. Also one of the most corrupt states in the country. Framing people, planting evidence, beating suspects...all in a days work for most NJ cops. I truly believe most cops in places like NJ, NY etc. would have no problem confiscating the arms of law abiding citizens. And shooting them dead if they resist. "Just following orders" like the Gestapo were.
     

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    I’ve been on the “wrong” end of a felony stop before, and only a crazy fool would do anything but comply and simply wait for a better time and place to sort it all out.

    I bought a used car from a guy that had a very similar sounding name. This was before you pulled the plates off when you sold a car to somebody.

    Two days later I am driving this car to Las Vegas from Phoenix....
    I am going 5 mph over the speed limit, and an AZDPS car gets behind me, but doesn’t pull me over. He just rides back there for miles and miles. I’m beginning to get this uneasy feeling, when I go over the next hill and there’s a roadblock ahead. 3 cop cars, flares and guns. I pull up there and I have guns in my face and they are shouting orders. I comply. It turns out that the guy that used to own this car had a warrant for something bad, and of course the cops thought they had him in their sights. I was of course armed, and they were excited. I knew they had the wrong guy, but that wasn’t going to be the right place to “fight them” over it. I complied with every command.

    I had the signed title in the glove compartment. I hadn’t re-registered it yet. The guy I bought the car from had a very similar name, but was black. The DPS officers knew that all the info didn’t jive, but they weren’t able to figure it out on the side of the road.

    They kept my firearm, but I was “only” detained. They “allowed” me to drive myself and my vehicle to the DPS headquarters in Kingman - with front and rear escort of course. They were very courteous. I was very reasonable. The mess got sorted and I was on my way. I was never arrested, so Miranda wasn’t read to me.

    I was right.
    They were wrong.
    I complied anyway.
    I’ve gotten quite fond of breathing.
     

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    Resisting arrest seems like a dumb idea even if the cops are wrong. Like you said, likely to result in a dead citizen or officer. It reminded me of this incident not long ago where a lady ran from the police because she didn't agree with her ticket. If she were a young black male she probably would have been shot with a gun instead of tased.
    Cop tases old woman
    I agree, it's likely a bad idea to resist. It's also a bad idea for officers to abuse power. Something bad is likely to happen, either way. I'm glad I'm no longer in that line of work.
     
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    On the side of the road is not the place to go after a big check or a badge. The courtroom is the appropriate place and there are plenty of lawyers that just love this kind of thing and are good at it. You get to go home safe and you have your day in court. Double win. The longer you are illegally detained, the bigger the check.
    A dead man can not argue much of a case.
     
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  • I’ve been on the “wrong” end of a felony stop before, and only a crazy fool would do anything but comply and simply wait for a better time and place to sort it all out.

    I bought a used car from a guy that had a very similar sounding name. This was before you pulled the plates off when you sold a car to somebody.

    Two days later I am driving this car to Las Vegas from Phoenix....
    I am going 5 mph over the speed limit, and an AZDPS car gets behind me, but doesn’t pull me over. He just rides back there for miles and miles. I’m beginning to get this uneasy feeling, when I go over the next hill and there’s a roadblock ahead. 3 cop cars, flares and guns. I pull up there and I have guns in my face and they are shouting orders. I comply. It turns out that the guy that used to own this car had a warrant for something bad, and of course the cops thought they had him in their sights. I was of course armed, and they were excited. I knew they had the wrong guy, but that wasn’t going to be the right place to “fight them” over it. I complied with every command.

    I had the signed title in the glove compartment. I hadn’t re-registered it yet. The guy I bought the car from had a very similar name, but was black. The DPS officers knew that all the info didn’t jive, but they weren’t able to figure it out on the side of the road.

    They kept my firearm, but I was “only” detained. They “allowed” me to drive myself and my vehicle to the DPS headquarters in Kingman - with front and rear escort of course. They were very courteous. I was very reasonable. The mess got sorted and I was on my way. I was never arrested, so Miranda wasn’t read to me.

    I was right.
    They were wrong.
    I complied anyway.
    I’ve gotten quite fond of breathing.


    Well said...

    Comply with everything. And while you are complying, do NOT show ANY expression or emotion. Many of them get quite excited when they are aware that they are causing distress to people, AKA power trip... Do NOT give them that satisfaction. Remain bland and expressionless and do not let anyone know your real mindset or emotional state.

    And try to remember as many faces as possible. Whatever recourse you want to take later should be on YOUR terms and your advantage.

    Only a fool will try to fight back when he knows that he is outnumbered and outgunned. Adopt the mindset of the Apaches. There is no dishonor in living to fight another day.
     
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    My son (17 at the time) was pulled over after coming home from work late one night. He was pulled over but the cop never came to the truck. My son waited with his hands in plain sight. After about 4-5 minutes, 3 additional units arrived, one pulling up in front of his truck and the other 2 pulled in behind the original unit. When the cop got out, he had his hand on his gun. The other cops walked up , 1 one the passenger side, 1 on the drivers side and the cop that stood behind the truck had his gun out and pointed at my son's head.

    Why did they stop him, he was a young kid coming home at 1am and was driving 5 miles over the speed limit. They pulled him out of the truck when the OFFICER said he smelled beer in the truck. They sat him on the curb with 1 cop staying with him and 2 searched his truck. No permission was given for the search. They took everything out of the truck and didn't find any thing, no open containers, no sealed containers, nothing. They wrote him his ticket, (5 mph over the speed limit without radar).

    My son did exactly what I told him when he started driving. Never to confront the cop that pulls you over, never give them any reason to escalate the situation. It will all come out in court and that's where you fight it.

    We went to court, I had to appear, because he was driving a vehicle owned by me and of course because he was under age. My lawyer tore up the officer that wrote the ticket for 5 mph. Then my lawyer went into what else occurred and the judge went ballistic on the cop. She told him not to leave after his last case and she wanted to see him privately.

    My lawyer didn't think things were bad enough to take this to civil court. So we dropped it.
     
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    Black people think stuff like this only happens to them. One time I attended a presentation given by black people about police activity. After the talk, I went up to one of the presenters and asked him "What makes you think WHITE PEOPLE" aren't afraid of the pollice?" I don't think that idea had ever occured to him.
     

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    Well said...

    Comply with everything. And while you are complying, do NOT show ANY expression or emotion. Many of them get quite excited when they are aware that they are causing distress to people, AKA power trip... Do NOT give them that satisfaction. Remain bland and expressionless and do not let anyone know your real mindset or emotional state.

    And try to remember as many faces as possible. Whatever recourse you want to take later should be on YOUR terms and your advantage.

    Only a fool will try to fight back when he knows that he is outnumbered and outgunned. Adopt the mindset of the Apaches. There is no dishonor in living to fight another day.

    I dont think their mindset worked out for them. Ask the next Apache if they thought their people should have fought a little harder. That is... (If you can find one)
     

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    I grew up next door to NJ in rural PA- and for my lifetime the NJ cops have had the Gestapo reputation. I had also heard that hollow points were illegal in NJ. A buddy that grew up in the Pine Barrens mentioned "feeling like a drug dealer" when as a kid he was able to get a box of .22 LR hollow points for rabbit hunting.
    It's really sad that the New England states, NJ, NY, CT, MA, MD, where the fight for this countrys freedom originated, have evolved into Socialist States. VA is close behind. What the hell has happened in only 250 years?
     
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    I'm sure his attorney will file all the proper lawsuits to make them pay.....I hope he gets a massive payday.
    SO taxpayers get fucked some more

    Need to come from the individual officers plus the police pension fund. Give them some incentive not to be criminal fucksticks and report those that are
     

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    I checked the NJ State Police Firearms Unit website. It appears that a subject CAN possess HP ammo, but only on your own property, traveling from where you purchased the ammo to your own property, or while traveling to or from what they consider a legal use for HP ammo- hunting WITH A FIREARM LEGAL FOR HUNTING, or shooting at a club or range, and you must have your valid hunting license in your posession while transporting your hunting HPAmmo. So it looks to me (a non-lawyer) that you'd be SOL traveling with a defensive handgun with hollow point ammo. King George would be proud.
     

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    SO taxpayers get fucked some more

    Need to come from the individual officers plus the police pension fund. Give them some incentive not to be criminal fucksticks and report those that are
    Oh, the taxpayers in NJ are getting f'd so much already that they won't even notice a little bit more....
     
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    Anybody looked at Critical Duty ammo lately? It's not HP.
     

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    True! It's a hollow point with a rubber plug in it! At least that's how NJ might look at it.
     

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    Yes, for some reason I was thinking that it was HP. As in the XTP. Thank you.