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Rifle Scopes Falcon dealer offering lifetime warranty

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killer_penguin

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I just talked to a reputable dealer, and they are thinking about offering a lifetime warranty on falcon scopes. They are about to get a group buy together, and they were asking me if I would pay a little more, knowing that they would just replace my scope if I had any problems... for life?

Sounds awesome! That is the only thing that scares me about falcon... the lack of a good warranty. They would have to serialize each scope to track the warranty, so that would add a little cost.

He said they would likely be able to offer a group buy on the 4-14 ffp scopes with a lifetime warranty and free shipping for $380. After the group buy, the price would go to $450 shipped, and carry a dealer-backed lifetime warranty.

The warranty will be transferable, so I would see this increasing the value of the scope too.

What do you guys think of this?
 
#2
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That would certainly make it a good deal and keep me interested in these scopes. If they would only make a version with a IR and I would be three today....
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DavidD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So who is this unnamed reputable dealer?
I would be down for a scope or 2

But,,,You had better have this dealer get with this boards owner that is if he's not on here already. </div></div>

+1
 
#6
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I'd rather see them spend the extra money on quality internals... then you wouldn't NEED the warranty. A scope in the mail does me no good whatsoever.

John
 
#8
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Step in the right direction, esp the transferrable part, but it should come from the manufacturer, not the retailer.

I think the retailer is at risk of losing their shorts (unless the dealer cost is insanely low on these).
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd rather see them spend the extra money on quality internals... then you wouldn't NEED the warranty. A scope in the mail does me no good whatsoever.

John</div></div>

I agree, who cares if it has a lifetime warranty when you have to send it in every six months... Buy something you can keep on your rifle, not in the mail.
 
#10
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While I agree that a warranty has to count for something...this is a Tommy Boy moment if ever there was one!!!
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Tommy: "Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside."

Ted: "Yeah, it makes a man feel good."

Tommy: "Of course it does. Why shouldn't it? You figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the guarantee fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?"

Ted: "What's your point?"

Tommy: "The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? 'Building model airplanes', say's the little fairy. Well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times."

Ted: "<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?</span></span>"

Tommy: "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">'Cause they know all the sold you was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.</span></span> But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, you might want to think about buying a quality product from me."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I agree that a warranty has to count for something...this is a Tommy Boy moment if ever there was one!!!
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Tommy: "Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside."

Ted: "Yeah, it makes a man feel good."

Tommy: "Of course it does. Why shouldn't it? You figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the guarantee fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?"

Ted: "What's your point?"

Tommy: "The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? 'Building model airplanes', say's the little fairy. Well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times."

Ted: "<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?</span></span>"

Tommy: "<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">'Cause they know all the sold you was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.</span></span> But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, you might want to think about buying a quality product from me."
</div></div>


ORD you took the quote right out of my mouth.
 
#12
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Ok, show me a different FFP optic with matching reticle/turrets with a 30mm tube, side parallax and a lifetime warranty for under $450.

Who cares if it is warrantied by the manufacturer or the dealer? If the warranty is for LIFE and is transferable... then you don't have to worry about getting stuck with a scope that doesn't work then do you? I see a lot of falcon's being used and I'd venture a guess that less than 1% of their users have problems.

I run premier, S&B, IOR, and vortex razor on my stuff. I don't need to hear about how there are better optics out there. Everyone knows. This scope serves a purpose, and thus far the falcon I have serves it very well. Its a cheap alternative and a hell of a nice way for new shooters to experience FFP.

I sent this link to the dealer I talked with. I doubt this is giving him any incentive to put this together.
 
#13
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Little defensive there killer?
Are you closer to the "dealer" than you let on in your original post?

Noone is disputing that the Falcon has a great feature set for the money, but their problem rate is a little higher than the 1% guess you are making. I did a poll last year and almost a<span style="text-decoration: line-through"> quarter </span>had problems. <span style="color: #3366FF">-after checking my poll thread it was 17% of respondents that had problems http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1370890</span>
I just had one and sold it, wasn't my cup of tea. I just didn't have confidence in it long term as a backup for my centerfires.
I'm FFP-mil/mil all around, and that said, my choice in backup is a fixed mil/moa SWFA SS in 16X or10X, just because they always work in my experience. I know that Bushnell may give me a hard time on the warranty work, but I'd rather have a scope that most likely will never need it than a scope that has a 1:4 chance of needing it.

FFP's great, but it don't mean dick if the round doesn't go where the crosshairs are. Failing gear is not a good thing for a new shooter to experience, because they don't know if its them or the gear.

Sorry if the response you got isn't what you expected, but that's sometimes how life is.....
 
#15
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+1 to sobrbiker883's comments!

To the OP...I think you are missing the point. A lifetime warranty isn't worth a whole lot if the product that is warrantied isn't up to par to begin with. For example, while you have had seemingly good luck with your Falcon scopes thus far, many others...myself included...have had some significant problems with these scopes. (A nearly 20% failure rate...and that is likely a low figure as this is only the rate reported by members here...is DAMN high).

I agree with you that at the moment, the feature set offered by the Falcon scopes and the price point, put it in a class of its own...BUT YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Why would someone want to pay money for an optic, regardless of the extent/duration of the warrnty coverage if there is a strong probability the scope will fail...particularly when the mfg doesn't even want to warranty the scope for the period you think you want/need. If you are interested in getting this warranty coverage at the dealer level from your buddy, then good on you. I hope you and your dealer friend are successful (and I hope it doesn't hurt his business if the number of warranty repair claims over the lifetime of the Falcons he sells FAR exceeds his estimates/expectations).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the warranty is for LIFE and is transferable... then you don't have to worry about getting stuck with a scope that doesn't work then do you? </div></div>

My first Falcon failed just as I was engaging a steel plate at 1900 yds. Rather inconvenient, I'd say. My second died on it's very first shot fired. Again, quite inconvenient. If I had multiple rifles, this probably would not bother me either. But I have one, and when that rifle is not wearing a scope, I don't shoot. It wears a Vortex Razor now and that decision was a direct response to having scopes spend almost as much time in UPS delivery as on my rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see a lot of falcon's being used and I'd venture a guess that less than 1% of their users have problems. </div></div>

You should do your homework before guessing about something like failure rates. According to this thread:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2080244&page=1

it's 17% and that's just the Hide. Not sure if we're a statistically representative sample group, but 1 in 6 scopes is UGLY.

I agree that they should have a lifetime warranty. What does it say about the manufacturers confidence in it's products if it will only warranty something for 2 years?

But, as staed previously, if ANYBODY is going to invest ANYTHING in this scope, it should be to make it more robust. Who would NOT pay $400-500 for a bulletproof FFP mil/mil 30mm scope? I have nothing against Falcon. Nick took GREAT care of me. So did Robert @ RWSGunsmiting. I just think their scopes fail to often.

My apologies if this thread doesn't sit right with your dealer. He should be well informed if he's going to stick his neck out.

John

<span style="font-weight: bold">EDIT</span>: apparently slow to the draw. Summed up quite well by 2 previous posts...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would someone want to pay money for an optic, regardless of the extent/duration of the warrnty coverage if there is a strong probability the scope will fail...particularly when the mfg doesn't even want to warranty the scope for the period you think you want/need.</div></div>

They would want to if they wanted to try FFP and it was the only thing they could afford.

The dealer is NOT my buddy... nor have I ANY relationship with him. Just the fact that he is putting this together and I thought it would be a good idea. Obviously, he and I were mistaken in our thoughts. At least on snipershide anyway.

I fail to see any of your arguments.

You say the scope can and will fail. No shit. Which one can't? Tell me and I'll buy 5.

You say the scope has failed 1/4 of its users. Not what I've experienced, but then those on this forum use their optics more in a month than most folks do in a lifetime. If its going to fail its going to fail in the hands of those here. That considered, a $400 scope with the features of the falcon only going down 25% of the time is pretty good. Others with bigger names go down more than that I'd guess. Raise your hand if a leupy failed on you. *raises hand*

This guy is trying to do something for the low end of the spectrum and improve the product offering by serializing his inventory and offering a transferable lifetime warranty when the manufacturer won't... and people here are not interested?

Noted. Moving on.
 
#18
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Sounds like a good guy wanting to do a good thing for sure. It goes back to how many can he afford to personally replace if he does not have the manufacturer backing him.

Give me a lifetime warranty on them and I may go back to trying one, but he better have them on hand ready to ship when it goes back-that goes for each time over years.....

If Scott at Liberty Optics did what you are proposing with IOR's he'd be in the poor house, but IOR has made geat strides with their product and service recently. That would be a better model for your friend to investigate.
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Penguin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[The dealer is NOT my buddy... nor have I ANY relationship with him...

I fail to see any of your arguments...

You say the scope can and will fail. No shit. Which one can't? Tell me and I'll buy 5...

You say the scope has failed 1/4 of its users...

This guy is trying to do something for the low end of the spectrum and improve the product offering by serializing his inventory and offering a transferable lifetime warranty when the manufacturer won't... and people here are not interested?

Noted. Moving on. </div></div>

No offense intended toward you or the dealer in question in referring to anyone as a "friend" or "buddy." Sorry I got your shorts in a twist.

As for you not seeing any of my arguments (or anyone else's apparently)...that is clear as you have misquoted almost everything said in this thread thus far.

I never said the scopes "failed 1/4 of its users." I said the Falcon scopes, qualifying my remark with at least of the users on this forum, approximately 20% of the time. That is roughly 1 in every 5 scopes taking a dump. While I agree with you that ANY SCOPE <span style="text-decoration: underline">CAN</span> fail...we are not talking about can or might or may fail...we are talking about a 1:5 chance that if you buy a Falcon it will fail!

If the dealer wants to stick his neck out and offer this extended, additional, supplemental coverage...then I think that's great for anyone who is in the market for a Falcon scope. But a $400 POS is still a $400 POS regardless of the warranty!
 
#20
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I've never understood why people buy something which is not reliable. I mean, you can get a reliable scope at that price point. You will have to do without some of the bling/fashion many want but they want it, Not need it. If you NEED it then you will have the money for it.
Better to have a working scope than one with a few features you want to have to be part of the cool crowd.

Not much point having a gun with no scope.
I also wonder how long this warrenty would last.
It's going to cost them. How long can they eat the cost?
 
#23
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I didn't give them the chance, as it had to be sent overseas by the dealer and it was going to be a month before he got a replacement.

Ya I believe they are using 1 piece tubes now.....but 3rd shot of .308.....not worth it.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny. Those rings look exactly like the ones you sold me.

I would have been mad enough to make them send a new one, no matter what it took.

Get a Hennie yet? </div></div>

lol...Same brand of rings. That pics about 3 years old now I think, those rings got sold off a long time ago.

And yes...I've got 2 Hennies now actually
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#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should ya have to pay extra? Go with a reputable dealer and they'll help ya out if you need it.
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</div></div>

I can attest to that.

Excellent CS.

John
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why should ya have to pay extra? Go with a reputable dealer and they'll help ya out if you need it.
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</div></div>

I can attest to that.

Excellent CS.

John </div></div>

Thanks John!
 
#29
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Internet polls are notorious for their wild inaccuracies as the respondents self-select based upon their feelings about the topic. That self-selection is usually based in negative emotions, but sometimes "fan-boyism" becomes the driver.

In my experience watching internet polls since they first started on the WWW 16 years ago, I'd say they were a nearly valueless (and usually masturbatory) exercise for their creators (no offense intended - just a global observation).
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd type a response to that, but I have lotion on my hand..... </div></div>

Now that is not funny.........It's hilarious!
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd type a response to that, but I have lotion on my hand..... </div></div>

Well...another keyboard bites the dust!!
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I'm off to get a fresh cup of coffee now! Thanks for that, sobrbiker883!! I needed a good laugh this a.m.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd type a response to that, but I have lotion on my hand..... </div></div>


That is the greatest responses I have ever read!! Can I quote you in my sig line?
 
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