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First Bolt Gun Build Curveballs

Afltchr

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A few weeks ago I was surprised with the news that I’d won a hunting rifle in a fundraising event for Hellgate Hunters and Anglers. For the cost of a raffle ticket I had a Weatherby Vanguard in 6.5 PRC on its way to me. I was thrilled—I mostly bow hunt and have never invested in a decent all-around hunting rifle.

The news sent me on a deep dive—on the rifle, cartridge, optics, the works. I became a member here. Along the way, I learned about long range shooting disciplines and how folks sometimes use the Vanguard/Howa 1500 action in chassis builds. I like tailoring stuff so a build using the raffle rifle appealed. I was told that the rifle I won would be a decent version of the Vanguard, cerakoted, but with a synthetic stock that isn’t anything special.

I figured I’d drop the action/barrel into an MDT XRS with the enclosed forend, top it with an Arken EP5, and I’d have a decent—relatively inexpensive to me thanks to the raffle—hybrid rifle I could hunt with and try out at a NRL Hunter or PRS comp. And it’d just be fun to shoot long range.

Curveball #1
Kook mistake. I learned that the Vanguard 6.5 PRC is a long action, which eliminated the XRS option and most plug and play chassis—that I could find anyway. It came down to the MDT ESS or LSS XL Gen2. And we’re off to the races budget busting. I ordered the ESS as it was the only of the two I could find that wasn’t back ordered, got an MDT buttstock and Accutac bipod from members on here, and sat back to wait on the shipped rifle and other goodies.

Curveball #2
Yesterday I got my first look at the raffle rifle at my FFL to start my CA waiting period. It sure is a Vanguard in 6.5 PRC. It sure isn’t a base model. Instead of the $830 Weatherguard Bronze I thought I was getting, it’s the $1600 Talon with the carbon stock and fluted barrel. Incredibly generous of Hellgate Hunters and Anglers and I’ve been racking my brain ever since on what to do with it.

I kinda don’t want to use it as-is. A build is just too enticing at this point.

Here’s where yall can help me out, if you’ve stuck around to this point. This is a sort of a one-rifle-to-do-it-all post with the added caveat of it being off a specific donor-rifle action.

I’m trying to hold fast to a one-rifle plan and am most interested in using it to try my hand at long distance, NRL Hunter comps, and hunting. I’m pretty sold on 6.5 PRC over 6.5 CM for hunting everything up to elk and am willing to suffer a bit more muzzle jump in Hunter comps.

Option 1
Stick with the plan. Sell the Vanguard carbon stock to help pay for the ESS and goodies. Drop the Vanguard action and barrel into the ESS and run it in the Hunter heavy class. This is the least expensive option that still involves a chassis build but is perhaps too near-sighted. Is the Vanguard action good enough to build around, especially when the factory barrel burns out? Anyone out there using this Vanguard long action in 6.5 PRC?

Option 2
Same as 1 but keep the carbon stock and retain the option to use it while backcountry hunting and in the Hunter factory or light classes. This is the mix and match option—probably the most well-rounded option but has the same longer term implications as Option 1.

Option 3
Sell the complete Vanguard Talon rifle and use the funds to buy an Origin action or something like it and a barrel that may hold up better for the above uses. This is the world—>oyster option, re-opening chassis possibilities and probably my relationship status as I’m kicked out of the house. (“Are you looking at gun stuff again?” “No, it’s…porn.” [closes Hide app] “Uh huh.” “But prefit barrels!”) This option scratches my custom build itch, but it’s also kind of a pain to sell a rifle in CA. After the FFL fees and lowering the price of the Talon enough to catch interest, maybe I won’t get enough value from selling the Talon?

Options 4-73
Everything I’m still ignorant of and haven’t considered.

Thanks for giving it some thought.
 
I'm for the option of using your raffle rifle as-is for hunting, and get your build fix in on something that is a little better suited for a complete custom build (since that is where your excitement is).

Once you get your hands on a "custom" action, you'll see why I say this. Everything is tighter, slicker, and more refined...And you'll go that route as soon as you make friends with someone who let's you run theirs a bit. Therefore let's save you some money in the long run.

Option 3 isn't horrible, but if you'll ever be hunting AND target shooting, it's nice to have two rifles.

You mentioned an Origin as a basis for a build...they are pretty good, and won't leave you hanging anywhere.
 
What you won sounds like a nice gun but then again I know nothing about it. I have zero experience with the Weatherby Vanguard so I'm naturally going to lean towards the Origin. Its a great action (I own one) and you won't go wrong building around it. It's probably going to cost you around $2000 to build one cheap (900 action, 150 trigger, 600 barrel, 350 KRG Bravo) not including an optic or muzzle brake/suppressor. You can even shave a few $$ buying everything used here in the PX.

All that being said...Before spending a bunch of money it may be best to just run with what you've got and grow from there. Figure out what works and what you would like to do differently. Learn to shoot the gun and take it to an NRL match. There you'll learn a lot about your capabilities and the gun's. As I'm sure you've started to figure out (during your search for a chassis) the Weatherby doesn't have as much of an aftermarket offering as the Rem 700 style actions like the Origin. I would keep that in mind if you decide you want to build in the future. But for now I'd advocate learning with what you've got to make sure this is something you really enjoy and want to invest $$ into.
 
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I used to have a vanguard in 223 with a heavier barrel.
Bolt was fluted and was very smooth.

I'm not familiar with the stock you are saying it came with, but I would buy an MDT or KRG chassis ( 2 good, but inexpensive options) that fits it and run with it.
KRG might not support LA Howa.
Optic + bipod and your set.

Much cheaper, and you will see if your interest fades or not.
It will give you time to see what you like or don't like for very little $$$.

I would assume you don't plan to reload.
Factory 6.5PRC is pricey.
6.5CM would be cheaper if buying factory ammo, and might sway me to sell the Weatherby despite the hassle.

It's a tough call 🤔
 
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I'm for the option of using your raffle rifle as-is for hunting, and get your build fix in on something that is a little better suited for a complete custom build (since that is where your excitement is).

Once you get your hands on a "custom" action, you'll see why I say this. Everything is tighter, slicker, and more refined...And you'll go that route as soon as you make friends with someone who let's you run theirs a bit. Therefore let's save you some money in the long run.

Option 3 isn't horrible, but if you'll ever be hunting AND target shooting, it's nice to have two rifles.

You mentioned an Origin as a basis for a build...they are pretty good, and won't leave you hanging anywhere.
Well reasoned, thanks. I could certainly use more patience with this sort of thing and I’d love to try a few setups if I can hook up with some folks.
 
What you won sounds like a nice gun but then again I know nothing about it. I have zero experience with the Weatherby Vanguard so I'm naturally going to lean towards the Origin. Its a great action (I own one) and you won't go wrong building around it. It's probably going to cost you around $2000 to build one cheap (900 action, 150 trigger, 600 barrel, 350 KRG Bravo) not including an optic or muzzle brake/suppressor. You can even shave a few $$ buying everything used here in the PX.

All that being said...Before spending a bunch of money it may be best to just run with what you've got and grow from there. Figure out what works and what you would like to do differently. Learn to shoot the gun and take it to an NRL match. There you'll learn a lot about your capabilities and the gun's. As I'm sure you've started to figure out (during your search for a chassis) the Weatherby doesn't have as much of an aftermarket offering as the Rem 700 style actions like the Origin. I would keep that in mind if you decide you want to build in the future. But for now I'd advocate learning with what you've got to make sure this is something you really enjoy and want to invest $$ into.
That’s smart, cheers. What size is your Origin and what barrels have you run with it?
 
Id say weight your options. I don’t know anything about that rifle but for the price of a raffle ticket, you got a hell of a deal. You can run it to see if it’s a hobby you want to dive into (which gets expensive quickly). Or, if you’re able to get somewhere near msrp for it, you can have 50-75% of an origin or ARC CDG build (minus optics). Keep in mind, 4th of July is coming up so you’ll probably see some sales for triggers, maybe optics, etc.

You can also check out the partners of PRS on their website for discounts. It could be worth it to become a PRS member just for some discounts…. And it may get you into wanting to shoot a couple matches to really see what you can do.

Either way, have fun shooting
 
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I used to have a vanguard in 223 with a heavier barrel.
Bolt was fluted and was very smooth.

I'm not familiar with the stock you are saying it came with, but I would buy an MDT or KRG chassis ( 2 good, but inexpensive options) that fits it and run with it.
KRG might not support LA Howa.
Optic + bipod and your set.

Much cheaper, and you will see if your interest fades or not.
It will give you time to see what you like or don't like for very little $$$.

I would assume you don't plan to reload.
Factory 6.5PRC is pricey.
6.5CM would be cheaper if buying factory ammo, and might sway me to sell the Weatherby despite the hassle.

It's a tough call 🤔
Thanks, yeah, that was one of the issues. Neither the Bravo or the MDT XRS support the LA Howa so I had to bump up to the MDT ESS in order to make the Vanguard action work. I’m not sure “making it work” does the build justice though ha. I do reload but I have gone back and forth a bit on CM vs PRC.
 
Id say weight your options. I don’t know anything about that rifle but for the price of a raffle ticket, you got a hell of a deal. You can run it to see if it’s a hobby you want to dive into (which gets expensive quickly). Or, if you’re able to get somewhere near msrp for it, you can have 50-75% of an origin or ARC CDG build (minus optics). Keep in mind, 4th of July is coming up so you’ll probably see some sales for triggers, maybe optics, etc.

You can also check out the partners of PRS on their website for discounts. It could be worth it to become a PRS member just for some discounts…. And it may get you into wanting to shoot a couple matches to really see what you can do.

Either way, have fun shooting
Good call on the PRS membership, will look into that. There’s also a 120-day lead time on this model Weatherby so maybe there’d be some interest in a rifle that’s ready now.
 
That’s smart, cheers. What size is your Origin and what barrels have you run with it?
My current Origin is a short action with a 6 dasher barrel. I've also run a 6.5creedmoor on a previous Origin I owned a while back. Sold it, regretted it, and bought another one haha.

I've also had an Origin Long Action chambered in 300PRC that was also a hammer.
It's a great "entry level" custom action. Some other guys have mentioned the CDG (Coup De Grace) as another action in the $900 range. (I also own one of those) That action is definitely another strong entry level priced action...Notice I said entry level priced. For the features it packs it could easily be a few hundred more. That being said, the CDG can be a little finicky. Optimized for AW mags (which can be hard to get) and has a trigger hangar which not all chassis are designed to accommodate. They can usually be modified, but for a first build I would advise just getting an action that is straight forward and requires the least amount of headache/mods.
 
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I'm for the option of using your raffle rifle as-is for hunting, and get your build fix in on something that is a little better suited for a complete custom build (since that is where your excitement is).

Once you get your hands on a "custom" action, you'll see why I say this. Everything is tighter, slicker, and more refined...And you'll go that route as soon as you make friends with someone who let's you run theirs a bit. Therefore let's save you some money in the long run.

Option 3 isn't horrible, but if you'll ever be hunting AND target shooting, it's nice to have two rifles.

You mentioned an Origin as a basis for a build...they are pretty good, and won't leave you hanging anywhere.
Agreed, I would keep the Weatherby unmolested and either use it for its intended purpose or sell it and put towards a build.
 
Keep it as is for a hunting rifle and build a long range rifle. Or sell it to fund a long range rifle build. Trying to Frankenstein it into a different rifle will still incure the majority of the cost of a new build but will be based on an action that is not optimum for a long range precision build and you'll do all that without the benefit of having cash to fund the build.
 
Keep the Weatherby/Vanguard as is. Use it for hunting. Piece together a custom build. Origin, ARC CDG, or Mack Bros. Get a prefit from a vendor and source a used trigger and chassis in the PX
 
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I say leave it as is and enjoy it.

When you're ready for a build, build a target/comp specific rifle. Origin, CDG, Mac Bros represent excellent values. Or maybe by that point you'll want to spend more $. Lots of options.
 
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My current Origin is a short action with a 6 dasher barrel. I've also run a 6.5creedmoor on a previous Origin I owned a while back. Sold it, regretted it, and bought another one haha.

I've also had an Origin Long Action chambered in 300PRC that was also a hammer.
It's a great "entry level" custom action. Some other guys have mentioned the CDG (Coup De Grace) as another action in the $900 range. (I also own one of those) That action is definitely another strong entry level priced action...Notice I said entry level priced. For the features it packs it could easily be a few hundred more. That being said, the CDG can be a little finicky. Optimized for AW mags (which can be hard to get) and has a trigger hangar which not all chassis are designed to accommodate. They can usually be modified, but for a first build I would advise just getting an action that is straight forward and requires the least amount of headache/mods.
Great advice. I’d like to avoid finicky and having to mod chassis around actions and mags in case I find a chassis I like more. 300 PRC looks fun. What was the purpose of that rifle?
 
Great advice. I’d like to avoid finicky and having to mod chassis around actions and mags in case I find a chassis I like more. 300 PRC looks fun. What was the purpose of that rifle?
Eat H1000 or 570 like a teenage kid goes through groceries
 
Great advice. I’d like to avoid finicky and having to mod chassis around actions and mags in case I find a chassis I like more. 300 PRC looks fun. What was the purpose of that rifle?
Purpose…I was fairly new to long range and wanted to build a larger magnum. I had dreams of shooting past a mile that never materialized due to range limitations. Got it to 1000yds several times but once I realized that was the max distance I’d be shooting for a while just I decided it was not really serving its “purpose.” The 6.5 creed I had at the time covered that distance perfectly without extra $$ in powder, primers, brass, bullets and time reloading for the extra cartridge.
 
Purpose…I was fairly new to long range and wanted to build a larger magnum. I had dreams of shooting past a mile that never materialized due to range limitations. Got it to 1000yds several times but once I realized that was the max distance I’d be shooting for a while just I decided it was not really serving its “purpose.” The 6.5 creed I had at the time covered that distance perfectly without extra $$ in powder, primers, brass, bullets and time reloading for the extra cartridge.

I'm going to second this. I got the opportunity to play extensively with a 300NM that a buddy had dropped off with me for a few months. I loved the minimal wind calls, and the trajectory was flat, and the impacts on steel at 650 looked impressive for sure. However, the realization that the chance of me ever shooting past 1,100 on my place is not happening, coupled with 80+ grains of powder and $.70 bullets...and it is just a whole lot of overkill for me.

It is one of the reasons why I enjoy the 6 and 6.5mms so much. And when I want to play in the wind, the .223 and .308 do it for me.