Got my first Mauser Swed 1912 last Thursday. Shot a match with it on sat. that thing is awesome. I think I am addicted. I have never owned any thing that old before. I cannot believe how well that 100 year old gun shoots. As my daughter wood say LOVE IT . Now i have to hit all the gun stores to look for another one.
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Modern manufacturing methods, tolerances and materials may have "advanced" so that modern firearms could be said to be theoretically "better" or capable of greater accuracy...but there's no reason why a 100 year old gun can't still perform if it's well maintained, in good condition and driven properly....
I am also addicted - keep these old rifles shooting. Wall hangers are a crime!!
Modern manufacturing methods, tolerances and materials may have "advanced" so that modern firearms could be said to be theoretically "better" or capable of greater accuracy...but there's no reason why a 100 year old gun can't still perform if it's well maintained, in good condition and driven properly....
I am also addicted - keep these old rifles shooting. Wall hangers are a crime!!
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I have a CG M69 built in 1907. It's one of the very few milsurps I've ever shot that would shoot sub-MOA with absolutely no "tweaking". About ten years ago, I dropped a doe with it that was almost 200 yards out, running, in a classic crossing shot. The Swedes made some of the finest rifles ever, in my opinion.
Oh yeah.....where's the pics?!?!?
I have a CG M69 built in 1907. It's one of the very few milsurps I've ever shot that would shoot sub-MOA with absolutely no "tweaking". About ten years ago, I dropped a doe with it that was almost 200 yards out, running, in a classic crossing shot. The Swedes made some of the finest rifles ever, in my opinion.
Oh yeah.....where's the pics?!?!?
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I agree that an old firearms that also enjoys extraordinary accuracy is a treasure to be used with care, so its purpose continues to be fulfilled.
But a basic issue grade service rifle in well maintained condition is also a joy to shoot within its own more limited capabilities.
It about the history, and not about the target.
If it's shooting within nominal limits, it's doing its job, and still giving the pleasure and satisfaction far many more servicemen in the main ranks enjoyed than was ever experienced by the more trained and accomplished specialists.
That is an honorable and enviable experience as well.
For example, my Garand shoots as well as many of the better ones; but will probably never perform on a par with the M-1C's or M-1D's. That's fine, it's not supposed to; and I get that little fair helping of joy every time I hit that gong.
Works for me...
Greg
I agree that an old firearms that also enjoys extraordinary accuracy is a treasure to be used with care, so its purpose continues to be fulfilled.
But a basic issue grade service rifle in well maintained condition is also a joy to shoot within its own more limited capabilities.
It about the history, and not about the target.
If it's shooting within nominal limits, it's doing its job, and still giving the pleasure and satisfaction far many more servicemen in the main ranks enjoyed than was ever experienced by the more trained and accomplished specialists.
That is an honorable and enviable experience as well.
For example, my Garand shoots as well as many of the better ones; but will probably never perform on a par with the M-1C's or M-1D's. That's fine, it's not supposed to; and I get that little fair helping of joy every time I hit that gong.
Works for me...
Greg
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I can't understand the "supprise" when one finds out these old rifles shoot.
They are as capable as modern rifles.
Every wonder why the Army uses the 1903a3 action to build Mann Accuracy Devices for testing 7.62 NATO ammo?
The simple answer is THEY WORK, and they can be just as accurate as any actions made today.
I use to run sniper schools for the National Guard using old beat up M1C/Ds. Even with the M-84 scopes, they did quite well to 900 meters.
Of course your Sweed has the advantage of using the 6.5X55 round, well known for its target abilities.
I can't understand the "supprise" when one finds out these old rifles shoot.
They are as capable as modern rifles.
Every wonder why the Army uses the 1903a3 action to build Mann Accuracy Devices for testing 7.62 NATO ammo?
The simple answer is THEY WORK, and they can be just as accurate as any actions made today.
I use to run sniper schools for the National Guard using old beat up M1C/Ds. Even with the M-84 scopes, they did quite well to 900 meters.
Of course your Sweed has the advantage of using the 6.5X55 round, well known for its target abilities.
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I do not have pic as of yet . but I will definitely get them going . I bought this rifle on a whim it just felt right . I would love to get a sniper version of it . I also looked at k 31 yesterday . the only thing I have to say my wife is going to kick my a$$.
I do not have pic as of yet . but I will definitely get them going . I bought this rifle on a whim it just felt right . I would love to get a sniper version of it . I also looked at k 31 yesterday . the only thing I have to say my wife is going to kick my a$$.
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My overtime got cancelled yesterday so I decided to spend some time at the range testing some handloads for my 1903A1. When I got to my club I was told that there was an event this weekend and I had about 30 minutes to do my shooting before they filled the range with campers and vendors.
It was not the type of circumstances I wanted to test my handloads under but I went with what I had.
The target was my last of three loads, each with 27 rounds (3 rounds from each group used as sighters to give me an average zero - my thought was to shoot for groups not bullseyes but I wanted to be near my aim point). Shot in order - Varget, 4064 and 4895. There were three bullet types in the mix - all 168 grn - SMK, AMAX, and Hornady BTHP. My earlier testing in other rifles showed me that the bullets were not a variable they all seemed to shoot the same in my testing so I decided to shoot these loads as a larger group hoping to better gauge what my powders were doing.
I'm pretty happy 27 rounds all in black from 200 yards with a sling in the prone under minor stress with a very hot gun. The ladder sights and hair thin front sight on an 03 are not the most compatible with my eyes.
The other two loads didnt group so well but this 03A1 like this load of IMR 4895.
The rifle I shot it with is the top of these three
I'm hoping to find one good load that will work with all three.
PS - Not trying to hijack here, just giving an example that the old guns will shoot.
My overtime got cancelled yesterday so I decided to spend some time at the range testing some handloads for my 1903A1. When I got to my club I was told that there was an event this weekend and I had about 30 minutes to do my shooting before they filled the range with campers and vendors.
It was not the type of circumstances I wanted to test my handloads under but I went with what I had.
The target was my last of three loads, each with 27 rounds (3 rounds from each group used as sighters to give me an average zero - my thought was to shoot for groups not bullseyes but I wanted to be near my aim point). Shot in order - Varget, 4064 and 4895. There were three bullet types in the mix - all 168 grn - SMK, AMAX, and Hornady BTHP. My earlier testing in other rifles showed me that the bullets were not a variable they all seemed to shoot the same in my testing so I decided to shoot these loads as a larger group hoping to better gauge what my powders were doing.
I'm pretty happy 27 rounds all in black from 200 yards with a sling in the prone under minor stress with a very hot gun. The ladder sights and hair thin front sight on an 03 are not the most compatible with my eyes.
The other two loads didnt group so well but this 03A1 like this load of IMR 4895.
The rifle I shot it with is the top of these three
I'm hoping to find one good load that will work with all three.
PS - Not trying to hijack here, just giving an example that the old guns will shoot.
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Ha!! those are all brand new guns! we have a rifle here at Wyoming Armory built by Carlos Gove in the mid 1800's. 42 cal false muzzle - muzzle loader...shoots bullets vs. balls. built, owned and shot by Gove himself. Very similar to sniper rifles used during the Civil War. There is a target with this rifle shot in a match in 1981. 5 shots at 100 yds...gp measures about 0.5" and all 5 are in the X ring.....cast, then swaged lead bullets, black powder, muzzle loaded, with a telescope made by Gove also. Gove won many matches with this rifle and several recorded purses of $2000-3000 in prize money. Not too shabby for a 160 year old muzzle loader!
Ha!! those are all brand new guns! we have a rifle here at Wyoming Armory built by Carlos Gove in the mid 1800's. 42 cal false muzzle - muzzle loader...shoots bullets vs. balls. built, owned and shot by Gove himself. Very similar to sniper rifles used during the Civil War. There is a target with this rifle shot in a match in 1981. 5 shots at 100 yds...gp measures about 0.5" and all 5 are in the X ring.....cast, then swaged lead bullets, black powder, muzzle loaded, with a telescope made by Gove also. Gove won many matches with this rifle and several recorded purses of $2000-3000 in prize money. Not too shabby for a 160 year old muzzle loader!
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before the squawking starts about "where's" the pics.....my work computer doesn't have what it takes and the owner of said rifle probably wouldn't appreciate it....I will say that there was an article written by Ned Roberts in "The Muzzle Loading Caplock Rifle" that shows a photo and has a very good description of the rifle.
before the squawking starts about "where's" the pics.....my work computer doesn't have what it takes and the owner of said rifle probably wouldn't appreciate it....I will say that there was an article written by Ned Roberts in "The Muzzle Loading Caplock Rifle" that shows a photo and has a very good description of the rifle.
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Congrats on the Swede! That's a nice, accurate round. And, speaking of good shooters, you do need a K-31 to go with it. Two superb guns!
When my daughter was young and I'd tell her she'd get in trouble with her mother if she did something in particular, she'd respond with "I know, but it's worth it". The K-31 is worth it!
Congrats on the Swede! That's a nice, accurate round. And, speaking of good shooters, you do need a K-31 to go with it. Two superb guns!
When my daughter was young and I'd tell her she'd get in trouble with her mother if she did something in particular, she'd respond with "I know, but it's worth it". The K-31 is worth it!
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The 1911 only came in 7.5x55. This should answer all of your questions. Swiss Rifles.com. If you look hard enough there are some floating around in 308 and 30-06.
The 1911 only came in 7.5x55. This should answer all of your questions. Swiss Rifles.com. If you look hard enough there are some floating around in 308 and 30-06.
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So in the past week I have been learning as much as I can about Swedish mausers . what I purchased was a m 38 . which as I said before is awesome . so I stopped by the gun store where I purchased it , to thank the owner . he said you're welcome . Then turns around with a smile and hands me enother swed. this time a 96. And the same year as the 38. okay you guessed it I now have 2 of them . LOL
So in the past week I have been learning as much as I can about Swedish mausers . what I purchased was a m 38 . which as I said before is awesome . so I stopped by the gun store where I purchased it , to thank the owner . he said you're welcome . Then turns around with a smile and hands me enother swed. this time a 96. And the same year as the 38. okay you guessed it I now have 2 of them . LOL
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1911vmn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">actually I'm still looking for 2 more . I want M 94 carbine and M41b . Then Swiss. LOL </div></div>
Try looking HERE for those rifles. Simpson usually has a lot of rifles in stock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1911vmn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">actually I'm still looking for 2 more . I want M 94 carbine and M41b . Then Swiss. LOL </div></div>
Try looking HERE for those rifles. Simpson usually has a lot of rifles in stock.
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This hobby is unbelievably addictive. Went to a gun show on Sunday to look for some reloading supplies. Didn't get twenty feet in the door and spotted something unusual...an 1890 German Commission Rifle. Needless to say, it followed me home. It just doesn't end..............
This hobby is unbelievably addictive. Went to a gun show on Sunday to look for some reloading supplies. Didn't get twenty feet in the door and spotted something unusual...an 1890 German Commission Rifle. Needless to say, it followed me home. It just doesn't end..............
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paul in az</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This hobby is unbelievably addictive. Went to a gun show on Sunday to look for some reloading supplies. Didn't get twenty feet in the door and spotted something unusual...an 1890 German Commission Rifle. Needless to say, it followed me home. It just doesn't end.............. </div></div>
They're neat rifles. Be sure you do some research before shooting them, however. You shouldn't use the regular surplus ammo in them and slugging the bore is a must!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paul in az</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This hobby is unbelievably addictive. Went to a gun show on Sunday to look for some reloading supplies. Didn't get twenty feet in the door and spotted something unusual...an 1890 German Commission Rifle. Needless to say, it followed me home. It just doesn't end.............. </div></div>
They're neat rifles. Be sure you do some research before shooting them, however. You shouldn't use the regular surplus ammo in them and slugging the bore is a must!
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Great looking rifles
Great looking rifles
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I got a M96 Swede last month and love it. Shoots MOA or better with $13 PPU. Now I am on the market for a Swiss or Finn.
Any suggestions? I'm thinking a Swiss 1896/11 or K31. Which one do you think will shoot better?
Finn M39=> What's not to like?
I got a M96 Swede last month and love it. Shoots MOA or better with $13 PPU. Now I am on the market for a Swiss or Finn.
Any suggestions? I'm thinking a Swiss 1896/11 or K31. Which one do you think will shoot better?
Finn M39=> What's not to like?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paul in az</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Joop........We did slug the bore and it came out to .318, even though the markings on the gun said it was updated to .323. So, I'm going to run some handloads and give it a go. Buffalo Arms had the .318 bullets. </div></div>
Roger that. I think you're making the right call.
Mine slugs out to .321, so I'm not sure what the hell to do with it, since I don't cast bullets (yet!).
Wish you the best and keep us posted!
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paul in az</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Joop........We did slug the bore and it came out to .318, even though the markings on the gun said it was updated to .323. So, I'm going to run some handloads and give it a go. Buffalo Arms had the .318 bullets. </div></div>
Roger that. I think you're making the right call.
Mine slugs out to .321, so I'm not sure what the hell to do with it, since I don't cast bullets (yet!).
Wish you the best and keep us posted!
John
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Thanks, John,
I haven't tried casting bullets yet, either. Every day is a learning experience with reloading. I've been using H414 powder for 7mm and it seems to be working fine, so I'll give it a try with 8mm and see what happens. Because of the gun's age, I'll start with a low load.
Reading around the web, there are a bunch of different opinions on bullets for this rifle. There is some thought that we could use .323, but we'd have to reduce the load to keep the pressure down. I'm not going to try it, but wondering if it would be OK with your .321. Also, perhaps Buffalo Arms has .321 bullets. Good Luck!
Paul
Thanks, John,
I haven't tried casting bullets yet, either. Every day is a learning experience with reloading. I've been using H414 powder for 7mm and it seems to be working fine, so I'll give it a try with 8mm and see what happens. Because of the gun's age, I'll start with a low load.
Reading around the web, there are a bunch of different opinions on bullets for this rifle. There is some thought that we could use .323, but we'd have to reduce the load to keep the pressure down. I'm not going to try it, but wondering if it would be OK with your .321. Also, perhaps Buffalo Arms has .321 bullets. Good Luck!
Paul
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