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For those interested in field swapping barrels...The Ross Vise

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*** Special thanks to hide member reubenski who's setup with barrel flats inspired this rabbit hole. ***


The last couple of years I've moved to a modular rifle system that uses Bighorn actions and a pile of interchangeable barrels in various chamberings and states of wear. The weak link in all of this was always the time and equipment required to swap the barrels around. Thinking about this led me to develop a system (based around a barrel vise) for quickly changing rifle barrels in the field (or at home). It came out better than I thought, and I had a batch of them made (instead of just one) because I'm certain other shooters would like the capacity it offers.






Here's a quick demo video:






To lay it out in more detail:

In order to remove or install a barrel using this method, you need to get a grip on the barrel and on the action or stock.





GRIPPING THE BARREL

This is what the Ross Vise is designed to do.

INSTALL THE VISE
Loosen the cap nuts, then slip the vise around your barrel with the square drive recesses facing the muzzle. Hand tighten the cap nuts.

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TORQUE THE CAP NUTS
Tighten the nuts using a torque wrench, ratchet, or breaker bar with a 15/16 socket (a deep socket will work best), a 15/16 end wrench, or an adjustable wrench. If using a torque wrench, torquing the cap nuts to the same spec as the barrel is tightened to has always proved sufficient to remove it without slippage. The stock or chassis makes for great leverage so it is easy to get the nuts tight, we recommend you turn the rifle vertically. Avoid using the scope or scope rings for leverage.

42210634380_bfdd136156_z.jpg







TORQUE THE BARREL
Insert a torque wrench, ratchet, or breaker bar into one of the 1/2" square drive recesses on the face of the vise. If you desire to protect the finish of your vise, we recommend using a 3/8" drive with a 1/2" adapter, or a short 1/2" drive extension, in order to keep the wrench clear of the vise. The vise is made of anodized aluminum, and while it is durable, it will show marks if you repeatedly hit it with steel!






GRIPPING THE ACTION / STOCK

Now that we have plenty of leverage on the barrel, we need leverage on the action. Exactly how we get this will depend upon how tight your barrel is installed, what type of stock or chassis you have, and what you are comfortable with. Here's a few options:


GRIP THE STOCK - AND POP THE BARREL LOOSE
If you run a light torque value on your barrels, it is possible to remove and install the barrel using only the leverage afforded by the stock. In testing we have found 30 ft-lb to be easy to reach, and 40 ft-lb to be within reach - though no longer "easy". The exact technique used matters, place your foot at the butt of the rifle and put the grip into your calf. Many competitive shooters run torque values this light on their barrels with great success. The biggest downside that we see with running a lightly torqued barrel is you are a little bit closer to having your barrel come loose. If your barrel becomes loose during a competition or a hunt, your ability to hit your target will be compromised, severely!







INSIDE ACTION WRENCH AND A T-HANDLE
By using an action wrench with a T-handle in combination with the vise, you are essentially exerting the same forces on your barrel and action as you would installing and removing barrels the traditional way, in a shop, with a bench mounted vise and an inside action wrench. By using a strap around the T-handle, you will keep the assembly from falling out of the rifle and save yourself a lot of frustration. This method will easily support the 80 ft-lb torque that is the recommended maximum for the vise, if you desire your barrels to be that tight. The only downsides to this method are that it requires you to own an inside action wrench for your action(s), and that it can be a little slower to set up, especially if you have an adjustable cheek piece in the way which must first be removed.







PIPE CLAMP
Using an inexpensive iron pipe clamp (my clamp came from Harbor Freight for ~ $10, and my 3/4" pipe came from the hardware store for less than that), tighten the clamp around your chassis or stock, and use the pipe as the leverage to remove and install your barrel. Add some rubber to the jaws (another $2 at the hardware store) to avoid damage to your stock or chassis. We recommend clamping around the recoil lug/front action screw juncture, and proceeding with caution! When using this method you are transferring force from the clamp to the stock - and then from the stock to the action via the action screws and any bedding surrounding the recoil lug. We have had great success with this method and have not damaged anything, but the potential is there. Be especially cautious about using this method with a lightly built wood, fiberglass, or carbon fiber stock. In our testing we used this method on a bedded rifle in a chassis - and after 100 removals and installs at 80 ft-lb the bedding was still tight and showed no signs of being worse for the wear, nor did any other components.








"MPA ROD"
For those with the popular Masterpiece Arms chassis, there is a recess behind the grip that will ALMOST take a 1 1/2" x 1/2" piece of aluminum stock (as seen in the demo video at the top of the page). I purchased a 2 foot piece that size from the local metal supply for ~ $10, and then spend about 10 minutes with a flap disc on an angle grinder rounding off the edges and taking the last two inches down from .500" to .475" so it would slip into this recess. As with the pipe clamp method, you are transferring force through your action screws and bedding, so proceed with caution. For testing purposes, I installed and removed a barrel set to 120 ft-lbs using this method with no ill effects, however I absolutely do not recommend that much torque, nor do I take responsibility if you manage to damage your stock using this technique. Additionally, if you are particular about the finish on your chassis inside this pocket, this will scratch it slightly, so proceed with that knowledge





If you're interested, there's even more detail at the site I set up: www.rossprecisionmt.com.
 
Pretty cool, if you added a flanged base it could pull double duty as a traditional bench mount and field expiediant vise.
 
I really dig this, especially as someone who has a number of barrels that don’t have flats machined on them. This is perfect for backwards compatibility.
 
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Got mine in the mail about an hour ago. Holy cow this thing is built tough and heavy duty. I have no doubt this is gonna be great, will be putting it to use later.
 
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Not trying to crap on your parade, but damn you are transferring a lot of torque to your action screws with this method. No way this method would be intended for removing a factory barrel for the first time correct?

That was my first thought as well. I can see how using an action wrench with this set up would work well, but I wouldn't put that much faith in my action screws in fear of damaging the threads in the action.
 
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No way this method would be intended for removing a factory barrel for the first time correct?

I’d agree this isn’t a vise for all situations. It’s really targeted for someone who wants to field swap between match barrels and a trainer barrel while at the range. I’m gonna be running torque around 45-60 ft lbs and that should be fine on the action screws/bedding/chassis.

The vise would also be great for the guy who is doing his own build, buying action and prefit shouldered barrels separately and putting the gun together themselves. If you don’t put the barrel on super tight the first time then you’d be able to avoid the cost of buying an action wrench, making the vise an even better deal.
 
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Not trying to crap on your parade, but damn you are transferring a lot of torque to your action screws with this method. No way this method would be intended for removing a factory barrel for the first time correct?

I would not EVER recommend trying to remove a factory barrel using the stock. They can be on crazy tight, and yes, you are transferring torque through the action screws and bedding. When it comes to pulling and reinstalling a custom barrel, I've done it 100's of times now @ 80 ft-lb (on a single setup) with no damage. The bedding is still TIGHT, and the zero hasn't changed. As such I'm confident that it won't damage my setup, but I still advise folks to proceed with caution.

For those interested in the concept but worried about transferring torque through the stock/screws/bedding I recommend using an inside action wrench with a t handle. There is an image above, but this one shows everything better:



I've actually found the vise has a LOT of grip if you tighten the cap nuts sufficiently, and have used it to remove a factory Tikka barrel. In that case, the action was in a bench vise, which was necessary given the amount of torque that was put on it.
 
Wanted to post an update on this. I've been using mine now for a while and it works great. Sooo much easier than pulling the action out of the stock to change barrels.

For those of you interested in the "MPA Rod" shown above, you can also make one yourself out of 1/2" thick oak or hickory board. I've tested it on the 35 ft/lb that I settled on for a torque value and its plenty strong enough to stand up. Just a few minutes with some sandpaper it fits perfectly snug and also won't mar the cerakote finish. That's what I'm going to be using going forward.
 
I’ve been thinking of mounting a barrel vise to a receiver hitch on the pickup.and using an action wrench,..but this system wouldnt require a truck.....maybe some sort of quick connect for the vise when the truck is available.....
Thanks for the thorough write up
 
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Is lining up a 700 recoil lug a concern?


On a 700 (or any action with a separate recoil lug) you would want to keep it aligned.

If you pinned it there should be no issues. If you leave it in the stock and the stock is bedded it OUGHT to hold it in place, but I haven’t tried it and therefore can’t recommend it.
 
I've never attempted it, but I don't recommend it. Thus far no one has offered their Carbon Proof up to me for destruction testing :)

Some early customers have certainly had good luck with their stainless Proofs...
 
For those on the fence, I'm nearly through my first production run. I also have 2 cosmetic blems available for $100 + shipping, PM if your interested. I'll make another batch, but there will probably be some "out of stock" time.
 
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For those on the fence, I'm nearly through my first production run. I also have 2 cosmetic blems available for $100 + shipping, PM if your interested. I'll make another batch, but there will probably be some "out of stock" time.

That's a great deal, someone should snap those up!

Mine has been going strong with many, many barrel swaps to date. I haven't had to take my action out of my chassis since I got this.
 
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Sold Out!

I did discover one more cosmetic blem, if anyone is interested PM me, $100 + shipping. It's the last one there is until I get another batch going.
 
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I've never attempted it, but I don't recommend it. Thus far no one has offered their Carbon Proof up to me for destruction testing :)

Some early customers have certainly had good luck with their stainless Proofs...

I've got a proof on my 6 creed that is probably nearing the end of it's life cycle. It's in my MPA chassis as well. I'll keep that on my radar and maybe we can meet out at LRC one day and try it out...
 
Have been using the Ross Vise for awhile now (TL3/MPA) and would like to state that it is a very well made bit of kit and Carl was very easy to deal with, especially considering I am outside of the US.
Buy with confidence, it works exactly as advertised..........
Regards
Pete
 
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Thanks Pete, glad its working well for you!

For those who have been reaching out, I have more coming but it will probably be a couple months.
 
*** Special thanks to hide member reubenski who's setup with barrel flats inspired this rabbit hole. ***


The last couple of years I've moved to a modular rifle system that uses Bighorn actions and a pile of interchangeable barrels in various chamberings and states of wear. The weak link in all of this was always the time and equipment required to swap the barrels around. Thinking about this led me to develop a system (based around a barrel vise) for quickly changing rifle barrels in the field (or at home). It came out better than I thought, and I had a batch of them made (instead of just one) because I'm certain other shooters would like the capacity it offers.






Here's a quick demo video:






To lay it out in more detail:

In order to remove or install a barrel using this method, you need to get a grip on the barrel and on the action or stock.





GRIPPING THE BARREL

This is what the Ross Vise is designed to do.

INSTALL THE VISE
Loosen the cap nuts, then slip the vise around your barrel with the square drive recesses facing the muzzle. Hand tighten the cap nuts.

42210634540_14572abd1e_z.jpg






TORQUE THE CAP NUTS
Tighten the nuts using a torque wrench, ratchet, or breaker bar with a 15/16 socket (a deep socket will work best), a 15/16 end wrench, or an adjustable wrench. If using a torque wrench, torquing the cap nuts to the same spec as the barrel is tightened to has always proved sufficient to remove it without slippage. The stock or chassis makes for great leverage so it is easy to get the nuts tight, we recommend you turn the rifle vertically. Avoid using the scope or scope rings for leverage.

42210634380_bfdd136156_z.jpg







TORQUE THE BARREL
Insert a torque wrench, ratchet, or breaker bar into one of the 1/2" square drive recesses on the face of the vise. If you desire to protect the finish of your vise, we recommend using a 3/8" drive with a 1/2" adapter, or a short 1/2" drive extension, in order to keep the wrench clear of the vise. The vise is made of anodized aluminum, and while it is durable, it will show marks if you repeatedly hit it with steel!






GRIPPING THE ACTION / STOCK

Now that we have plenty of leverage on the barrel, we need leverage on the action. Exactly how we get this will depend upon how tight your barrel is installed, what type of stock or chassis you have, and what you are comfortable with. Here's a few options:


GRIP THE STOCK - AND POP THE BARREL LOOSE
If you run a light torque value on your barrels, it is possible to remove and install the barrel using only the leverage afforded by the stock. In testing we have found 30 ft-lb to be easy to reach, and 40 ft-lb to be within reach - though no longer "easy". The exact technique used matters, place your foot at the butt of the rifle and put the grip into your calf. Many competitive shooters run torque values this light on their barrels with great success. The biggest downside that we see with running a lightly torqued barrel is you are a little bit closer to having your barrel come loose. If your barrel becomes loose during a competition or a hunt, your ability to hit your target will be compromised, severely!







INSIDE ACTION WRENCH AND A T-HANDLE
By using an action wrench with a T-handle in combination with the vise, you are essentially exerting the same forces on your barrel and action as you would installing and removing barrels the traditional way, in a shop, with a bench mounted vise and an inside action wrench. By using a strap around the T-handle, you will keep the assembly from falling out of the rifle and save yourself a lot of frustration. This method will easily support the 80 ft-lb torque that is the recommended maximum for the vise, if you desire your barrels to be that tight. The only downsides to this method are that it requires you to own an inside action wrench for your action(s), and that it can be a little slower to set up, especially if you have an adjustable cheek piece in the way which must first be removed.







PIPE CLAMP
Using an inexpensive iron pipe clamp (my clamp came from Harbor Freight for ~ $10, and my 3/4" pipe came from the hardware store for less than that), tighten the clamp around your chassis or stock, and use the pipe as the leverage to remove and install your barrel. Add some rubber to the jaws (another $2 at the hardware store) to avoid damage to your stock or chassis. We recommend clamping around the recoil lug/front action screw juncture, and proceeding with caution! When using this method you are transferring force from the clamp to the stock - and then from the stock to the action via the action screws and any bedding surrounding the recoil lug. We have had great success with this method and have not damaged anything, but the potential is there. Be especially cautious about using this method with a lightly built wood, fiberglass, or carbon fiber stock. In our testing we used this method on a bedded rifle in a chassis - and after 100 removals and installs at 80 ft-lb the bedding was still tight and showed no signs of being worse for the wear, nor did any other components.








"MPA ROD"
For those with the popular Masterpiece Arms chassis, there is a recess behind the grip that will ALMOST take a 1 1/2" x 1/2" piece of aluminum stock (as seen in the demo video at the top of the page). I purchased a 2 foot piece that size from the local metal supply for ~ $10, and then spend about 10 minutes with a flap disc on an angle grinder rounding off the edges and taking the last two inches down from .500" to .475" so it would slip into this recess. As with the pipe clamp method, you are transferring force through your action screws and bedding, so proceed with caution. For testing purposes, I installed and removed a barrel set to 120 ft-lbs using this method with no ill effects, however I absolutely do not recommend that much torque, nor do I take responsibility if you manage to damage your stock using this technique. Additionally, if you are particular about the finish on your chassis inside this pocket, this will scratch it slightly, so proceed with that knowledge





If you're interested, there's even more detail at the site I set up: www.rossprecisionmt.com.

DUDE!...that looks like rattlesnake country! What are you doing out there in low shoes and socks!

Great idea BTW! I look forward to getting one soon.
 
That’s a great idea for the field but I’d rather do barrel swaps at home with my $8 set up.
 

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Wanted to post an update on this. I've been using mine now for a while and it works great. Sooo much easier than pulling the action out of the stock to change barrels.

For those of you interested in the "MPA Rod" shown above, you can also make one yourself out of 1/2" thick oak or hickory board. I've tested it on the 35 ft/lb that I settled on for a torque value and its plenty strong enough to stand up. Just a few minutes with some sandpaper it fits perfectly snug and also won't mar the cerakote finish. That's what I'm going to be using going forward.

Can you post some photos of the oak board you are using? Just so I can get an idea?
 
Looks to be sooner than later, but I'm dealing with some summer vacations in the supply chain :)

I'm hoping within the next few weeks, but I have no actual numbers yet.
 
Looks to be sooner than later, but I'm dealing with some summer vacations in the supply chain :)

I'm hoping within the next few weeks, but I have no actual numbers yet.
Any updates on availability?
 
At the bottom of their webpage is their contact info. How are we supposed to know?
 
This was a fun project, but I've put it on hold for the time being, too many irons in the fire.

If I ever do another run I'll let folks know.