I received my most recent Form 1 back from the bATF last night with an "Error" on it.
Unbeknownst to me, you can only list one barrel length on a Form 1.
Since I plan on using multiple SBR uppers on this registered SBR lower, I listed 10.5" & 14.5" on the Form 1.
I made the correction and mailed it back out today, but it is still frustrating.
Already this package has been lost by the bATF and has taken longer than any of my other ones.
Now, this setback delays it even more.
Does anyone know what the deal is with using multiple SBR uppers on a registered lower?
I'm assuming that it should be good to go, but this has me second guessing myself.
As a public service, here is a copy of the letter that I received with the reasons that a Form 1 / Form 4 gets sent back.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The enclosed application(s) is/are being returned to you for the following reasons(s):
_ Application submitted on incorrect form. resubmit on ATF Form number _
_ Application not acceptable if front and back are not on same sheet of paper.
_ Application not submitted in i:luplicate.
_ Application is illegible or is in an unprocessable condition.
_ Original forms required for this type of transaction.
_ Original signatures/dates required on both forms.
_ Incomplete transferee information: see item(s) number#________
_ Incomplete transferor information: see item(s) number#_________
_ P.O. Box (only) is not acceptable, a physical address or directions is required.
_ Incomplete firearm description: see item number #__________
_ Firearm description varies with our records: see item(s) number#______
_ Form must specify the caliber (one), barrel and overall length, approximants and estimates are unacceptable.
May cross out additional information and initial.
Place additional information in appropriate box on application.
_ Transferee's trade name varies with our records
_ Transferee's name/address on application, tax stamp, and license do not match.
_ Transferee's Federal Firearms License invalid: number incorrect.
_ Transferee's Employer Identification Number invalid: number incorrect.
_ Transferor's trade name varies with our records.
_ Transferor's name/address on application, tax stamp, and license do not match.
_ Transferor's Federal Firearms License invalid: _number incorrect _FFL expired.
_ Transferor's Employer Identification Number invalid: _number incorrect _SOT not paid.
_ Proof of ownership required. Firearm is not shown registered to transferor.
_ Firearm already transferred on ___________
_ Proof of executor ship/death certificate required.
_ Proof(Articles) of corporation required.
_ State permit required
_ Machine gun permit from Sheriff required for North Carolina transfers.
_ North Carolina: requires compliance with state law. After review of statutes (enclosed) please provide statement of compliance on application or separate sheet of paper.
_ Law letter required. Firearm restricted pursuant to 18 USC 922(0), Title 27 CFR 179.105(d).
_ Justification letter for acquiring more than one restricted model required.
_ The law enforcement law letter and model of firearm being obtained have to be exactly the same.
_ Repair description letter required.
_ Void letter required confirming the weapon never left: the transferor possession.
_ Bill of lading required.
_ Importation permit (ATF Form 6) required.
_ Interstate transfer of firearms are prohibited to non-licensees.
_ Firearm prohibited in jurisdiction of transferee's residence.
_ Firearm prohibited in jurisdiction to be transported
_ Dates(s) of move/transport must be given prior to application approval.
_ Transfer tax required for this type of transaction, please remit_S200 _$5.00 OTHER__.
_ Transferee's photograph must be attached to back of each form.
_ Applicant certification is invalid/incomplete.
_ Law enforcement certification is invalid/incomplete.
_ Original signatures required on Law Enforcement Certification.
_ If someone has specific delegated authority to sign on behalf of the Chief of Police or Sheriff etc..
This fact must be noted by printing the Chief's, Sheriff's, or other authorized official's name and title, followed by the word "by" and the full signature and title of the delegated person.
(Please make sure the name of the signing official and agency name is listed and legible).
_ Two complete FD-258 fingerprint cards are required with this application.
_ FD-258 fingerprint card incomplete _ Name, _ Date of Birth, _ State of Birth _ Social Security#, _ Signature
_ FBI will not process any fingerprint card other than the FD-258.
_ Improperly taken fingerprints. Carefully follow instructions on the back ofFD·258 fingerprint card.
_ Finger print cards will not scan. Please submit two new cards.
_ Complete Certification of Compliance with 18 V.S.C (922)(g)(5)(b) May fax with a copy of this letter to 304-616-4501.
** On the Certification of Compliance your name goes in item #1. You are certifying yourself in item #2, complete item #3 and you sign and date #7 at the bottom of the form.
_ Trust documents not complete. Declaration, Certification and all mentioned schedules/exhibits needed.
May fax with a copy of this letter to 304-616-4501
_ Trust name must be exact on application. Please correct. May cross out and initial. Return originals.
_ Trust not valid under __________________. Please resubmit Dew trust documents.
Please note: Our office cannot give legal advice on correction of trust.
PLEASE MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CORRECTIONS AND RETURN WITH THIS ERROR
LETTER TO:
SUZANNE SANTAMARIA
NFABRANCH
244 NEEDY RD-SUITE 125{)
MARTINSBURG, WV 25405
IF YOU REQUIRE ASSISTANCE, YOU MAY CONTACT US AT (304) 616-4500.
IF WE DO 'OT HEAR ARESPONSE WITHIN 30 DAYS, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO
DISAPPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SUZANNE SANTAMARIA
National Firearms Act Branch
Legal Instrument Examiner
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FWIW,
This is the first time that I have had this examiner.
A friend of mine had her for his Form 4 and had a very bad experience.
Took 11 months to process and then got kicked back for the "_ North Carolina: requires compliance with state law. After review of statutes (enclosed) please provide statement of compliance on application or separate sheet of paper."
He ended up working it our with her supervisor, but it was a real PITA.
Hopefully this is the last I hear from her and I get my regular examiner on any future Form 1 or Form 4s that I do.
Unbeknownst to me, you can only list one barrel length on a Form 1.
Since I plan on using multiple SBR uppers on this registered SBR lower, I listed 10.5" & 14.5" on the Form 1.
I made the correction and mailed it back out today, but it is still frustrating.
Already this package has been lost by the bATF and has taken longer than any of my other ones.
Now, this setback delays it even more.
Does anyone know what the deal is with using multiple SBR uppers on a registered lower?
I'm assuming that it should be good to go, but this has me second guessing myself.
As a public service, here is a copy of the letter that I received with the reasons that a Form 1 / Form 4 gets sent back.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The enclosed application(s) is/are being returned to you for the following reasons(s):
_ Application submitted on incorrect form. resubmit on ATF Form number _
_ Application not acceptable if front and back are not on same sheet of paper.
_ Application not submitted in i:luplicate.
_ Application is illegible or is in an unprocessable condition.
_ Original forms required for this type of transaction.
_ Original signatures/dates required on both forms.
_ Incomplete transferee information: see item(s) number#________
_ Incomplete transferor information: see item(s) number#_________
_ P.O. Box (only) is not acceptable, a physical address or directions is required.
_ Incomplete firearm description: see item number #__________
_ Firearm description varies with our records: see item(s) number#______
_ Form must specify the caliber (one), barrel and overall length, approximants and estimates are unacceptable.
May cross out additional information and initial.
Place additional information in appropriate box on application.
_ Transferee's trade name varies with our records
_ Transferee's name/address on application, tax stamp, and license do not match.
_ Transferee's Federal Firearms License invalid: number incorrect.
_ Transferee's Employer Identification Number invalid: number incorrect.
_ Transferor's trade name varies with our records.
_ Transferor's name/address on application, tax stamp, and license do not match.
_ Transferor's Federal Firearms License invalid: _number incorrect _FFL expired.
_ Transferor's Employer Identification Number invalid: _number incorrect _SOT not paid.
_ Proof of ownership required. Firearm is not shown registered to transferor.
_ Firearm already transferred on ___________
_ Proof of executor ship/death certificate required.
_ Proof(Articles) of corporation required.
_ State permit required
_ Machine gun permit from Sheriff required for North Carolina transfers.
_ North Carolina: requires compliance with state law. After review of statutes (enclosed) please provide statement of compliance on application or separate sheet of paper.
_ Law letter required. Firearm restricted pursuant to 18 USC 922(0), Title 27 CFR 179.105(d).
_ Justification letter for acquiring more than one restricted model required.
_ The law enforcement law letter and model of firearm being obtained have to be exactly the same.
_ Repair description letter required.
_ Void letter required confirming the weapon never left: the transferor possession.
_ Bill of lading required.
_ Importation permit (ATF Form 6) required.
_ Interstate transfer of firearms are prohibited to non-licensees.
_ Firearm prohibited in jurisdiction of transferee's residence.
_ Firearm prohibited in jurisdiction to be transported
_ Dates(s) of move/transport must be given prior to application approval.
_ Transfer tax required for this type of transaction, please remit_S200 _$5.00 OTHER__.
_ Transferee's photograph must be attached to back of each form.
_ Applicant certification is invalid/incomplete.
_ Law enforcement certification is invalid/incomplete.
_ Original signatures required on Law Enforcement Certification.
_ If someone has specific delegated authority to sign on behalf of the Chief of Police or Sheriff etc..
This fact must be noted by printing the Chief's, Sheriff's, or other authorized official's name and title, followed by the word "by" and the full signature and title of the delegated person.
(Please make sure the name of the signing official and agency name is listed and legible).
_ Two complete FD-258 fingerprint cards are required with this application.
_ FD-258 fingerprint card incomplete _ Name, _ Date of Birth, _ State of Birth _ Social Security#, _ Signature
_ FBI will not process any fingerprint card other than the FD-258.
_ Improperly taken fingerprints. Carefully follow instructions on the back ofFD·258 fingerprint card.
_ Finger print cards will not scan. Please submit two new cards.
_ Complete Certification of Compliance with 18 V.S.C (922)(g)(5)(b) May fax with a copy of this letter to 304-616-4501.
** On the Certification of Compliance your name goes in item #1. You are certifying yourself in item #2, complete item #3 and you sign and date #7 at the bottom of the form.
_ Trust documents not complete. Declaration, Certification and all mentioned schedules/exhibits needed.
May fax with a copy of this letter to 304-616-4501
_ Trust name must be exact on application. Please correct. May cross out and initial. Return originals.
_ Trust not valid under __________________. Please resubmit Dew trust documents.
Please note: Our office cannot give legal advice on correction of trust.
PLEASE MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CORRECTIONS AND RETURN WITH THIS ERROR
LETTER TO:
SUZANNE SANTAMARIA
NFABRANCH
244 NEEDY RD-SUITE 125{)
MARTINSBURG, WV 25405
IF YOU REQUIRE ASSISTANCE, YOU MAY CONTACT US AT (304) 616-4500.
IF WE DO 'OT HEAR ARESPONSE WITHIN 30 DAYS, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO
DISAPPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SUZANNE SANTAMARIA
National Firearms Act Branch
Legal Instrument Examiner
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FWIW,
This is the first time that I have had this examiner.
A friend of mine had her for his Form 4 and had a very bad experience.
Took 11 months to process and then got kicked back for the "_ North Carolina: requires compliance with state law. After review of statutes (enclosed) please provide statement of compliance on application or separate sheet of paper."
He ended up working it our with her supervisor, but it was a real PITA.
Hopefully this is the last I hear from her and I get my regular examiner on any future Form 1 or Form 4s that I do.
