Has anyone heard of this recently ? Thought I read somewhere that Atf was hoping by fall of 2019 that they would have this up and running.
Suppressors Form-4 efile??
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Uhhh, no.
efile form 4?!
A simplistic, effective, faster, organized way to enter our information?!
You have a better chance of banging 2 chicks at the same time.
A simplistic, effective, faster, organized way to enter our information?!
You have a better chance of banging 2 chicks at the same time.
Two chicks at the same time... I believe if I had a million dollars I could hook that up..
ATF eForm 4 Update! - Coming December 2021
The highly anticipated and awaited ATF eForm 4 application will be coming to the ATF eForm system this year. The current status of the ATF eForm 4 as of April 2019, is the eForm 4 is currently being coded. The ATF eForm 4 was available a few years ago, but the eForm 4 has since been taken off...
www.nationalguntrusts.com 
I actually banged two chicks at once about 20yrs ago. They certainly weren't the hottest girls ever but can I still efile some form 4s now?
Two 4s equals 8.
I guess I don't see the draw for an efile. So it makes filing a little faster and you don't wait on the mail to get the check to the ATF. So you're saving a week? They've still gotta approve you 11 months down the road. My paper file was pretty painless. I can imagine the counter monkeys trying to take my pictures, prints, signatures, and payment info and trying to upload them. I wouldn't trust many of the ones I've dealt with to do it right.
I guess I don't see the draw for an efile. So it makes filing a little faster and you don't wait on the mail to get the check to the ATF. So you're saving a week? They've still gotta approve you 11 months down the road. My paper file was pretty painless. I can imagine the counter monkeys trying to take my pictures, prints, signatures, and payment info and trying to upload them. I wouldn't trust many of the ones I've dealt with to do it right.
They apparently approve eFiled Form 1s in a few weeks, so that’s the hope for eFiling Form 4s.
ATF eForm 4 Update! - Coming December 2021
The highly anticipated and awaited ATF eForm 4 application will be coming to the ATF eForm system this year. The current status of the ATF eForm 4 as of April 2019, is the eForm 4 is currently being coded. The ATF eForm 4 was available a few years ago, but the eForm 4 has since been taken off...
"September 2019: Reports coming back stating that individual and gun trust applicants are being approved with the ATF Form 4 application in or around 45 days. Silencer Shop, stated in emails to customers that the ATF is using a new [ATF Form 4] processing format that is allowing for sub-120 day approval times. "
What is this "new processing format"? Does that translate into just randomly taking an app out of a recent pile to make the average wait times appear to be reduced?
That’s my guess as well...
If it is in fact taking <120 days, I’m about to make some serious purchases.
I don't see why not, just call up the ATF and let them know about the situation, maybe talk up the two chicks a bit more. I believe they can hook you up.
Yeah, I'm really digging this "pull a bunch of forms from the front of the stack so our numbers look good while letting all the poor bastards on the ass-end of the stack wait even longer" processing format....
A guy I work with just got his Form 4s back in 100 days.
I f-ing hate him.
I f-ing hate him.
We have seen plenty of individual Form 4s come back fast lately, but Trust/LLC forms are still 10-12 months.
I am sitting at 14 months. Form 4 trust
Who told you?
a spookWho told you?
Seems legit.
I actually do think they'll roll out form 4 e-file fairly soon, they got money ear marked for it with the budget in Feb, probably could have had a contract awarded in early summer, getting close to time for the contractor to delivery something.
I'm definitely buying something the first day, and I don't even really have anything on the want list right now. I have been thinking about another .22 can, don't think I'd regret jumping on a Switchback, Oculus 22 or Mask for my first e-file F4.
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I wouldn't hold my breath for eform 4s to come anytime soon. Yes, they did get some budget but ATF needs to completely rebuild the eforms system to handle the load. Also consider ATF will have to bid the job and select a contractor to do the work. I would be absolutely floored if ATF rolls out an updated eforms in the next 2 years.
I haven't used my trust for the last three, my kids are young, my wife doesn't care about guns or gun mufflers, and my friends can buy their own. Individual transfers have been faster for a while, I figure if I want to have my kids use one, I can transfer it from myself to my trust (while keeping it in my possession), sometime in the next 15 years, an extra $200 somewhere down the road is not a big deal.
I doubt it will be two years, if you have some experience in how stuff works in the .gov, it's clear that things are on a different track than they were before. Before 19 there wasn't a $3M-$4M chunk of money explicitly set aside in the budget to make EForm 4s happen, therefore they didn't happen in any sustainable fashion. Now there are appropriations specifically to make it happen, and those always have timeframes attached. Progress and current processing timeframes (which EForms would improve) are being briefed up their chain, what gets measured, gets done; it's especially true in the .gov.
I'd be surprised if they got anything but 1 year money, and given the low dollar amount, and low complexity of the job, the contract shouldn't take very long at all to award. You've got to remember, it's not like they're buying an F-35, they're buying a software system to accept submissions and process forms, similar systems exist pretty much everywhere, including their own office. This isn't some great feat of creation, a competent contractor should be able to turn one out.
I'm guessing we'll see EForm 4s roll out sometime in Q1 or Q2 of CY20.
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Remember, you're talking about an agency that has to shutdown its form processing services one day a week for "maintenance".
Doesn't matter, you have to look at an organizations resourcing and incentive structure to predict what it will do, that's my point. Before they could hide behind the fact that they were under-resourced for the job they were assigned, and higher ups didn't seem to concerned about fixing them. In this state it was very predictable that they wouldn't improve meaningfully, there wasn't much organizational incentive to.
Reading the lines and between the lines, that's not the case anymore, someone higher up set aside $1M in the 2018 President's budget for a process re-engineering effort. The 2019 budget request makes it clear that DOJ has set a 90 day processing goal for them and is getting status reports (in my opinion, probably the internal driver behind June-Aug forms getting approved quick while Jan-May forms wait). Their '19 budget request plus up is what they told the higher ups they would need to work up to meeting that goal.
Well they got what the said they would need to get well and meet the goals of their bosses, if the right people are still watching, and they don't start showing results before too long, heads will start rolling in the higher positions, even in the government. Unlike before, the resourcing and incentives appear to be in place for them to actually start improving now.
watching this thread.
I want to believe wait times will be reduced, but I am not postponing any purchases hoping for it to happen.
I want to believe wait times will be reduced, but I am not postponing any purchases hoping for it to happen.
Smart. Remember those that waited to purchase because of the Hearing Protection Act?
You got me, I couldn't find any publications in their website within the last few weeks on this topic. Any tips on where to look?
If I had anything on the want-now list I'd probably go ahead and file now, hopefully paper forms are speeding up as well.
Which makes no sense... I have a form 4 trust check cashed 12/8/18 still pending...
But I've done 6 efile Form 1 trusts to build 2 SBR's and 4 Suppressors all over the last 4 months. Those approvals came in 12-30days.... somehow with efile they can do the exact same trust approval, background check, fingerprint receipt, etc and email me my approved form 1 in a few weeks but change that 1 to a 4 and shit is in the wind for the better part of a year....
Something needs to change over there that's for sure.
Because....
Form 1 Approvers be like...
While Form 4’s go through...
Form 1 Approvers be like...
While Form 4’s go through...
direct order from cert
Any updates on this..? An Indiana dealer told a friend of mine to just hold on a bit till Atf gets this form 4 Efile situation figured out before he files.. this just happened yesterday. Anybody heard of this?
Supposed to be soon tbd
Everyone knows a little something but yet nobody actually knows a damn thing. SMH
