How does one go about ordering a rifle from GAP to be built on a particular McM stock set up( cheekpiece, fill, colour) that GAP doesn't have on hand? I'm assuming the customer makes the order through Mcm, pays for it and then has the stock sent off to George and the guys for the build, is this right? Would I be correct in thinking this would be more costly than taking one George has on hand?
Re: GAP build / A stock
You can have GAP order it for you or you can do it. It would help if you know what barrel contour you are gona go with too. I will warn you before you start, GAP rifles are very contagious. Once you have one you will have the urge to get another
Kc
You can have GAP order it for you or you can do it. It would help if you know what barrel contour you are gona go with too. I will warn you before you start, GAP rifles are very contagious. Once you have one you will have the urge to get another
Kc
Re: GAP build / A stock
Cost is a relative on a McMillan stock with how many options you have on it. Check their site out. BTW I would call George, just tell him what you want then let him order it. Some smith use certin recoil lugs, and pillars a certin size. Believe me, I order both of my stocks and I had to know what taper for the barrel (AMU), then I had to tell them Jered was using one of his recoil lugs and pillars for bedding. Better off to have them deal with it so everything turns out to their likeing.
Cost is a relative on a McMillan stock with how many options you have on it. Check their site out. BTW I would call George, just tell him what you want then let him order it. Some smith use certin recoil lugs, and pillars a certin size. Believe me, I order both of my stocks and I had to know what taper for the barrel (AMU), then I had to tell them Jered was using one of his recoil lugs and pillars for bedding. Better off to have them deal with it so everything turns out to their likeing.
Re: GAP build / A stock
Great advise guys. Looking around at one of our canadian sites, canadiangunnutz, and there was a post stating that the new US gov was looking into the ban of exporting "sniper" type rifles. Does anyone know if this is in place yet. Don't want to have one built and during the build this happen. Oh well, will have to throw out this new USO SSDS scope. What bull!
Great advise guys. Looking around at one of our canadian sites, canadiangunnutz, and there was a post stating that the new US gov was looking into the ban of exporting "sniper" type rifles. Does anyone know if this is in place yet. Don't want to have one built and during the build this happen. Oh well, will have to throw out this new USO SSDS scope. What bull!
Re: GAP build / A stock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littlesureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great advise guys. Looking around at one of our canadian sites, canadiangunnutz, and there was a post stating that the new US gov was looking into the ban of exporting "sniper" type rifles. Does anyone know if this is in place yet. Don't want to have one built and during the build this happen. Oh well, will have to throw out this new USO SSDS scope. What bull! </div></div>
I don't see how they could exclude hunting rifles from that equation, as they are no different, so no thats bs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littlesureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great advise guys. Looking around at one of our canadian sites, canadiangunnutz, and there was a post stating that the new US gov was looking into the ban of exporting "sniper" type rifles. Does anyone know if this is in place yet. Don't want to have one built and during the build this happen. Oh well, will have to throw out this new USO SSDS scope. What bull! </div></div>
I don't see how they could exclude hunting rifles from that equation, as they are no different, so no thats bs.
Re: GAP build / A stock
hope you're right. I know alot was centered around weight and contour of barrels ( ie bull and heavy barrels) so this is where they will distinguish!
Read this from GUN WEEK
State Dept. eyeing ban on imports/exports
by Dave Workman
Senior Editor
The State Department is apparently looking at ways to restrict the export and import of certain firearms and ammunition it considers to have a military purpose, and this apparently includes prohibitions on the export of <span style="font-weight: bold">bolt-action sporting rifles chambered in .308 Winchester</span>.
Perhaps more ominous, according to Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), <span style="font-weight: bold">the Obama Administration may be quietly preparing to define what constitutes a so-called sniper rifle.</span>
While this effort would ostensibly be designed to prevent the export of such rifles to areas abroad where they might wind up in the hands of rogue governments or terrorist groups, the potential exists that anti-gunners could use the “sniper rifle” definition to launch new gun control initiatives in this country.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Keane did not suggest that this might occur, focusing instead on the fact that the import and export restrictions can be imposed without consent of Congress.</span> Any domestic ban on such rifles would require congressional action, especially in the wake of last year’s Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment.
However, Keane suggested that ratcheting down on imports and exports is “the first step” by the Obama White House and Clinton State Department to take action against the firearms industry. American gunmakers, including Savage, Remington, Winchester, Browning and Ruger, all do considerable overseas business with sporting rifles. <span style="font-weight: bold">Keane said there has already been one case of an American distributor being prevented from shipping three bolt-action hunting rifles chambered in .308 Winchester to Australia.</span>
Reports of the impending crackdown first appeared in the Feb. 13 on-line edition of the Shooting Wire, which said Canadian officials have been quietly advised that the State Department “may be on the verge of cutting off all imports of certain calibers of ammunition.” Cartridges targeted by the alleged looming ban include the .50 BMG, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm NATO, .308 Winchester, 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington.
Shooting Wire also suggested that the ban might be expanded to include pistol cartridges including the 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP.
Keane told Gun Week that sources in the industry have revealed that the State Department may also institute new requirements that include obtaining an “end use certificate” from the individual foreign buyer of an individual firearm on the use of the particular gun. This would require the American manufacturer to first obtain a certificate from a consumer in a foreign country about the use of a hunting rifle before the manufacturer or American distributor could obtain a license to export a particular gun.
The requirement would essentially be impossible to meet, because a manufacturer traditionally has no way of knowing who the retail buyer of a particular gun in another country might be, since firearms are exported to distributors, who then sell those guns to retailers, who in turn sell firearms to individual customers. It is almost identical to the way a firearm in America gets from the manufacturer to a consumer. It is typically not possible to determine who a buyer might be for a gun that is manufactured and shipped along the commercial chain months before someone buys it off a gun store rack.
[<span style="color: #FF0000">b]While this effort right now appears aimed at curtailing foreign gun sales, it is the potential definition of a “sniper rifle” that could concern American gunowners. According to Keane, this definition will focus on barrel weight and diameter, caliber and even rifling twist.</span>
[/b]
Perhaps not coincidentally, rifles that could fall into the “sniper rifle” category are widely used by American sport shooters, hunters and competitors for everything from varmint hunting to benchrest shooting.
Such an effort would begin with an executive order cracking down on exports or imports of such firearms that would not require congressional attention, but could be used as a launch pad for a long-feared attack on “sniper rifles” in the United States. There has never been a detailed description of what constitutes a “sniper rifle.” Gun rights activists have long been concerned about possible legislation that would ultimately deem every scoped hunting rifle in America to be a “sniper rifle.”
Heavy-barrel bolt-action rifles designed to be used with telescopic sights are commonplace among varmint hunters. Likewise, benchrest shooters and other long range competitors use such rifles because of their inherent accuracy.
hope you're right. I know alot was centered around weight and contour of barrels ( ie bull and heavy barrels) so this is where they will distinguish!
Read this from GUN WEEK
State Dept. eyeing ban on imports/exports
by Dave Workman
Senior Editor
The State Department is apparently looking at ways to restrict the export and import of certain firearms and ammunition it considers to have a military purpose, and this apparently includes prohibitions on the export of <span style="font-weight: bold">bolt-action sporting rifles chambered in .308 Winchester</span>.
Perhaps more ominous, according to Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), <span style="font-weight: bold">the Obama Administration may be quietly preparing to define what constitutes a so-called sniper rifle.</span>
While this effort would ostensibly be designed to prevent the export of such rifles to areas abroad where they might wind up in the hands of rogue governments or terrorist groups, the potential exists that anti-gunners could use the “sniper rifle” definition to launch new gun control initiatives in this country.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Keane did not suggest that this might occur, focusing instead on the fact that the import and export restrictions can be imposed without consent of Congress.</span> Any domestic ban on such rifles would require congressional action, especially in the wake of last year’s Supreme Court ruling on the Second Amendment.
However, Keane suggested that ratcheting down on imports and exports is “the first step” by the Obama White House and Clinton State Department to take action against the firearms industry. American gunmakers, including Savage, Remington, Winchester, Browning and Ruger, all do considerable overseas business with sporting rifles. <span style="font-weight: bold">Keane said there has already been one case of an American distributor being prevented from shipping three bolt-action hunting rifles chambered in .308 Winchester to Australia.</span>
Reports of the impending crackdown first appeared in the Feb. 13 on-line edition of the Shooting Wire, which said Canadian officials have been quietly advised that the State Department “may be on the verge of cutting off all imports of certain calibers of ammunition.” Cartridges targeted by the alleged looming ban include the .50 BMG, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm NATO, .308 Winchester, 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington.
Shooting Wire also suggested that the ban might be expanded to include pistol cartridges including the 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP.
Keane told Gun Week that sources in the industry have revealed that the State Department may also institute new requirements that include obtaining an “end use certificate” from the individual foreign buyer of an individual firearm on the use of the particular gun. This would require the American manufacturer to first obtain a certificate from a consumer in a foreign country about the use of a hunting rifle before the manufacturer or American distributor could obtain a license to export a particular gun.
The requirement would essentially be impossible to meet, because a manufacturer traditionally has no way of knowing who the retail buyer of a particular gun in another country might be, since firearms are exported to distributors, who then sell those guns to retailers, who in turn sell firearms to individual customers. It is almost identical to the way a firearm in America gets from the manufacturer to a consumer. It is typically not possible to determine who a buyer might be for a gun that is manufactured and shipped along the commercial chain months before someone buys it off a gun store rack.
[<span style="color: #FF0000">b]While this effort right now appears aimed at curtailing foreign gun sales, it is the potential definition of a “sniper rifle” that could concern American gunowners. According to Keane, this definition will focus on barrel weight and diameter, caliber and even rifling twist.</span>
[/b]
Perhaps not coincidentally, rifles that could fall into the “sniper rifle” category are widely used by American sport shooters, hunters and competitors for everything from varmint hunting to benchrest shooting.
Such an effort would begin with an executive order cracking down on exports or imports of such firearms that would not require congressional attention, but could be used as a launch pad for a long-feared attack on “sniper rifles” in the United States. There has never been a detailed description of what constitutes a “sniper rifle.” Gun rights activists have long been concerned about possible legislation that would ultimately deem every scoped hunting rifle in America to be a “sniper rifle.”
Heavy-barrel bolt-action rifles designed to be used with telescopic sights are commonplace among varmint hunters. Likewise, benchrest shooters and other long range competitors use such rifles because of their inherent accuracy.
Re: GAP build / A stock
thats BS.... they have better things to do then worry about barrel diameter and twist rate.
thats BS.... they have better things to do then worry about barrel diameter and twist rate.
Re: GAP build / A stock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littlesureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does one go about ordering a rifle from GAP to be built on a particular McM stock set up( cheekpiece, fill, colour) that GAP doesn't have on hand? I'm assuming... </div></div>
One calls GAP and gets the answers directly from GAP instead of ASSuming anything.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littlesureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does one go about ordering a rifle from GAP to be built on a particular McM stock set up( cheekpiece, fill, colour) that GAP doesn't have on hand? I'm assuming... </div></div>
One calls GAP and gets the answers directly from GAP instead of ASSuming anything.
