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Sidearms & Scatterguns Good knife on extreme budget

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This is actually the MTech MT-096 about $13.

Damn near held up good as a Busse

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Soft 440 can be very tough but will not hold an edge well if you are using the knife like.....a knife.

Toughness and edge holding are often inversely proportional until you get into the expensive super steels.

It’s probably a great knife for hammering into cinder blocks and standing on or whatever.

The busse will do that, and works well as a knife, which is why it costs what it does (plus a little cachet and scarcity thrown in).
 
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Noss did a lot of rough testing back then and if I remember correctly a Busse is the only one that survived pretty much still intact. This POS Mtech was a close second. The Ontario Air Force beat the Chris Reeves GB. The latter immediately broke. CR sent him another. It immediately broke too. Noss took a lot of shit for beating on a knife for over an hour. A lot of popular knives turned out to be junk.
 
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Culpeper said:
If beauty is not your main concern Plowshare Forge will make just about anything you want fairly cheap.
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I’m a maker. I do bowies, hunters, old school stuff, slip joint folders, daggers, etc.

There are a lot of up and coming makers that will make a good knife for a good price.

I pride myself on heat treat and performance, and try to make them pretty too.

I’m awhile behind due to medical issues, but anyone on here that’s interested should PM me and we’ll talk, even if it’s just about heat treat and technical stuff and all that. That’s the fun part. That and trying to break them.
 
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Materials are designed for intended use. A crowbar can be sharpened but it will not hold it's edge well. A high end knife can be used as a pryer, but it won't do it well. If you are prying with your knife you are in a bad way.

It's all about balance.

Knives are tools like wrenches are tools. A knife is meant for cutting, a wrench is meant for torsional forces. Choose the right tool for the right job. The steels are vastly different and they are heat treated differently. While these videos are fun to watch, they mean nothing.

Personally, I've never needed or wanted to carry a knife longer than a 5-6 inches. I have some that are longer but don't carry them.
 
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Culpeper said:
Noss did a lot of rough testing back then and if I remember correctly a Busse is the only one that survived pretty much still intact. This POS Mtech was a close second. The Ontario Air Force beat the Chris Reeves GB. The latter immediately broke. CR sent him another. It immediately broke too. Noss took a lot of shit for beating on a knife for over an hour. A lot of popular knives turned out to be junk.
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Noss’ videos have almost nothing to do with whether or not they are good knives or junk.

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Materials are designed for intended use. A crowbar can be sharpened but it will not hold it's edge well. A high end knife can be used as a pryer, but it won't do it well. If you are prying with your knife you are in a bad way.

It's all about balance.

Knives are tools like wrenches are tools. A knife is meant for cutting, a wrench is meant for torsional forces. Choose the right tool for the right job. The steels are vastly different and they are heat treated differently. While these videos are fun to watch, they mean nothing.

Personally, I've never needed or wanted to carry a knife longer than a 5-6 inches. I have some that are longer but don't carry them.
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Nailed it.

I do like a machete though if that is the type of work I will be doing. Probably something made in central or south america where they know how to make them.
 
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bourbonbent said:
Pretty much every popular knife is junk. Factory knives are nearly all fucking garbage.

Either the steel is trash, heat treat is fucked, grinds are like a Home Depot chisel, fit and finish like a blind palsy patient did it.

You can get everything you want, just ain’t coming from a factory and won’t be cheap.
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I disagree with this. Many medium to higher priced knives serve their purpose very well. I get excellent service from vintage KBar’s.
They sharpen well, the hold an edge, they cut.

I have no further requirements from a knife. I use mine daily.
 
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rth1800 said:
I disagree with this. Many medium to higher priced knives serve their purpose very well. I get excellent service from vintage KBar’s.
They sharpen well, the hold an edge, they cut.

I have no further requirements from a knife. I use mine daily.
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Vintage K Bars are not new K Bars. Heat treat and steel quality is different. If you’d like to talk more, I’m not going to derail the thread further but I can assure you there is a difference and can prove it empirically.

Example:

In the 1940’s, GM had steel poured for making door frame molds. AISI W2. You can buy W2 today, freshly made. It is not the same, and will not perform the same.

I have customers using knives that haven’t sharpened them yet and have had them 2+ deer seasons with over a half dozen deer skinned and gutted. I assure you there is a difference in quality, I don’t make knives for the fame or the money, it’s painful, frustrating, and I constantly have to justify what I do (I’m also not famous and make about enough to cover the cost of consumables and materials). The point isn’t that one person doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with a factory knife. The point is that not everyone has a quality factory knife, and can’t afford a vintage one, and need a knife to perform in a certain way, even if that’s to do everything.

I want to reiterate I am not trying to sell shit, I have more work than I can keep up with, this is for the sake of conversation and nothing else.
 
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Poor Noss, still taking heat to this day. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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I don't think the videos are a problem. He did the destructive testing a lot of owners were curious about since we for some reason attach way too much emotion to knives, much like guns. It's still fun to see just how much abuse something will take before giving up. Sort of like that guy from ADCO that dropped a Glock out of an airplane.

They just don't have much to do with their performance as cutting tools.
 
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I’m sure there are cheap, worthless knives out there. I find a lot of very usable knives used at fair pricing.
I’m not talking about 10.00 hardware store knives.
 
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i have always wondered who made Sonny's knife on the 1987 Predator movie. seems really pricey and and bad ass.
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The cheapest and most durable knife I have ever owned is the Cold Steel Bushman. I took it to the Law Enforcement Mountain Operations course and beat the fuck out of it for a week. It did everything I asked of it and more and never had to be sharpened even after carving and batoning through frozen wood for a week.

Only downside is that it will rust fairly readily if not taken care of.
 
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I've found that knife snobs hate Cold Steel. I think their problem is that they do sell some very cheap stuff, but they also sell all the way up to composite steels. I think they're great. I have one of these in every vehicle, and several more.
https://www.coldsteel.com/srk-sk5.html

These can be found for as little as $35, and to me they're the best value knife out there. They're easy to sharpen, tough as nails (won't break), and are the perfect size for a utility sheath knife.
 
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I have a few of the Cold Steel spike knives the old style and the new. Really nice and super thick but the blade steel dulls pretty fast. I like them but you have to sharpen them a lot if you use them. For stabbing stuff though they would work very well for that.
 
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I’m a huge fan of Mora knives. They perform, they’re cheap, and I’ve never had one fail me.

I also enjoy making them. On the left is a sloyd I forged from W2, and fancied up with scrap pieces because of reasons.

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There are far too many knives in the world to become emotionally invested in any corporation or individual that produces them. It’s a fucking tool, get one you don’t hate and use it as such. Even a fancy knife is still a knife. The best knife in the world doesn’t exist, and if it did, I could break it easily. If you want a knife, get a knife. Knives are for cutting. If you want to break shit and chop concrete or whatever is fun and shocking to watch on YouTube, buy a crowbar.
 
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It would really help if we knew what purpose the knife is to fill. Camp knife, fighting knife, skinning knife, paring knife, small pocket knife for opening packages, gardening knife, etc would really help people make recommendations.

The recommendations for Mora knives is really good. Mora makes a great variety of knives,, and while some are quite inexpensive, every Mora knife I have seen had good steel in it...no matter how inexpensive they are.

Case, Ontario, Kabar, also have some relatively inexpensive knives made with good steel.
 
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