Movie Theater Graphic Novels, like Preacher, Watchmen ect.......

#3
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you mean comic book type books?

Not for me. Sorry. </div></div>
Not for everyone I will say that much.
 
#4
Re: Graphic Novels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you mean comic book type books?

Not for me. Sorry. </div></div>

come on now, no need for literary elitism. i'm not big on traditional comics, but graphic novels can be a completely different animal.

for the most part, they are intended as alternate, one-off stories directed towards bright, mature readers. a lot of them are brilliantly written and quite engrossing. not to mention the artwork tends to be very impressive.

a guy with your obvious wisdom and passion for reading should know that great works don't necessarily have to be accepted in prevalent intellectual circles to be great.

yes, your response was a simple statement and maybe i'm looking into this more than i should. however, i always enjoy your posts and you have to admit that you possess a talent for speaking volumes with very few words, and i'm guessing, this is one of those times.

also, if i have offended you by implying that graphic novels are works of literature, i wish to apologize in advance.
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#6
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Lots of great works out there - skipping the collected works of the great series (Sandman, Preacher, Transmetropolitan, etc) and focusing on just graphic novels (and collect mini-series), I'd recommend:

The Ballad of Dr. Richardson - an unexpected and uplifting work, the product of a young Paul Pope (most of his work is worth reading - THB, 100%, Heavy Liquid), but remarkably enjoyable for a book with little plot

The Mystery Play - a brilliant, sad and surrealistic descent into murder and redemption, beautiful art by Jon Muth

M - a graphical retelling of Fritz Lang's M - recently collected in a great hardcover collection, done by Jon Muth also, most of the stuff Jon Muth did is worth ready - his Dracula and Mythology of an Abandoned City are also high-notes

Mister X - Dean Motter's stunning vision of the future that was never was, a monument in design - admittedly it goes off course about 3/4 of the way through, but still a lot to like

Bone - starts out fluffy and light and eventually takes on a much darker tone - one of my favorite reads

Alan Moore's work as a writer is hard to underestimate - well, easy if you go off the crappy hollywood adapations of his stuff - Watchmen of course, V for Vendetta, League of Extrodinary Gentlemen and From Hell are my favorites (and all were abused by film - some more than others)
 
#7
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ghillie Zen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you mean comic book type books?

Not for me. Sorry. </div></div>

come on now, no need for literary elitism. i'm not big on traditional comics, but graphic novels can be a completely different animal.

for the most part, they are intended as alternate, one-off stories directed towards bright, mature readers. a lot of them are brilliantly written and quite engrossing. not to mention the artwork tends to be very impressive.

a guy with your obvious wisdom and passion for reading should know that great works don't necessarily have to be accepted in prevalent intellectual circles to be great.

yes, your response was a simple statement and maybe i'm looking into this more than i should. however, i always enjoy your posts and you have to admit that you possess a talent for speaking volumes with very few words, and i'm guessing, this is one of those times.

also, if i have offended you by implying that graphic novels are works of literature, i wish to apologize in advance.
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Just quoting bigger stuff now...
 
#9
Re: Graphic Novels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you mean comic book type books?

Not for me. Sorry. </div></div>
If you don't like them why post it?
 
#10
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Since no one had responded, I thought to open the other door (dislikes) thinking that at least a debate would draw interest.

No personal attack was intended.

I do not spend much time with graphic novels owing probably to the fact that I cannot draw, but I know who John Constantine is and think that the character development is phenomenal. Admittedly, I have a great appreciation for art without having the skill to express it other than through other's work, or sometimes a well-placed word or two. The only time I was dedicated to a drawing that followed the story line was in the Hardy boys, growing up, in which a b/w sketch was added about every 20-23 pages in order to give the reader a picture, as it were, to help imprint the adventures of Frank and Joe onto the brain, for young readers.

My personal questions are whether or not one creates the image in his or her mind anyway when reading? Do the images unfold with the text, or does one have to stop and "picture" the scene? If the image is provided does the brain not work as hard or as deeply? I don't know the answers but am thinking about it. I know that I greatly enjoy a diagram or map that goes with what I am reading, and I greatly enjoy a movie that follows the storyline and which incorporates actors who can incorporate the character into themselves. "No Country For Old Men" comes to mind in this regard.

I saw your other post and wish you great success as an author.
 
#11
Re: Graphic Novels

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since no one had responded, I thought to open the other door (dislikes) thinking that at least a debate would draw interest.

No personal attack was intended.

I do not spend much time with graphic novels owing probably to the fact that I cannot draw, but I know who John Constantine is and think that the character development is phenomenal. Admittedly, I have a great appreciation for art without having the skill to express it other than through other's work, or sometimes a well-placed word or two. The only time I was dedicated to a drawing that followed the story line was in the Hardy boys, growing up, in which a b/w sketch was added about every 20-23 pages in order to give the reader a picture, as it were, to help imprint the adventures of Frank and Joe onto the brain, for young readers.

My personal questions are whether or not one creates the image in his or her mind anyway when reading? Do the images unfold with the text, or does one have to stop and "picture" the scene? If the image is provided does the brain not work as hard or as deeply? I don't know the answers but am thinking about it. I know that I greatly enjoy a diagram or map that goes with what I am reading, and I greatly enjoy a movie that follows the storyline and which incorporates actors who can incorporate the character into themselves. "No Country For Old Men" comes to mind in this regard.

I saw your other post and wish you great success as an author. </div></div>
This was a great and honest post. Graphic Novels are different in the fact that they explain a story with both the image and the words. Its like watching a sub titled movie. You see the images but you read the conversation. Thanks for your input.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forty-One</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Since no one had responded, I thought to open the other door (dislikes) thinking that at least a debate would draw interest.

No personal attack was intended.

I do not spend much time with graphic novels owing probably to the fact that I cannot draw, but I know who John Constantine is and think that the character development is phenomenal. Admittedly, I have a great appreciation for art without having the skill to express it other than through other's work, or sometimes a well-placed word or two. The only time I was dedicated to a drawing that followed the story line was in the Hardy boys, growing up, in which a b/w sketch was added about every 20-23 pages in order to give the reader a picture, as it were, to help imprint the adventures of Frank and Joe onto the brain, for young readers.

My personal questions are whether or not one creates the image in his or her mind anyway when reading? Do the images unfold with the text, or does one have to stop and "picture" the scene? If the image is provided does the brain not work as hard or as deeply? I don't know the answers but am thinking about it. I know that I greatly enjoy a diagram or map that goes with what I am reading, and I greatly enjoy a movie that follows the storyline and which incorporates actors who can incorporate the character into themselves. "No Country For Old Men" comes to mind in this regard.

I saw your other post and wish you great success as an author. </div></div>
This was a great and honest post. Graphic Novels are different in the fact that they explain a story with both the image and the words. Its like watching a sub titled movie. You see the images but you read the conversation. Thanks for your input. </div></div>

All of my posts display a sense of honesty from my heart, despite the mean-ness that can sometimes manifest itself in my brain or gut. The "graphic-novel" debate has been around for some time and has been a central feature in literary circles for even longer. Pictures tend to titillate more than words, thus drawing in an even greater enclave, although not always to point to great messages.

I visited your site and read your priorities. Humbled I am, once again. Your Headmaster is mine, as well. God Bless...
 
#13
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I've really started to grow an appreciation for graphic novels lately.

A good friend of mine works at a huge Comic book shop in Vancouver BC and has introduced me to some wonderful stuff.

"The Walking Dead" was great. Truly what the world is like without hope. Great survival story.

"Hench" was unforgettable and hard to put down.

"Demo" inspired me visually in so many ways.

"Watchman" just finished it, and wished i would of read it before I watched the movie. That book will blow your friggin mind there is so much going on in it. Really says a lot. I love how it really breaks the barrier between costumed hero and super hero.
 
#14
Re: Graphic Novels, like Preacher, Watchmen ect.......

I read them still. They are art just like literature and film. And like literature and film some of it stands out and some falls flat. The Walking Dead has been mentioned before, it's excellent. Other good GNs, Road to Perdition and A History of Violence. Preacher and some others are really just comics collected in trade form, but good nonetheless. To think that the crud put out by Clancy sells by the truckload while guys like Gaiman go (relatively) unnoticed is sad.
 
#15
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Not really. I consider the artwork a distraction. The story's the thing, for me.

The closest thing I (used to) read is (was) the older pulp fiction magazines, mostly sci-fi. Also, some of the older (1930's, 1940's) stories were reprinted as standalone paperbacks in the 1960's.

I especially liked the <span style="font-style: italic">Lensman</span> and <span style="font-style: italic">'Doc' Savage</span> stories, although the <span style="font-style: italic">'Doc' Savage</span> movie was an unmitigated dog. I hope the new movie turns out better.

Greg
 
#16
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Just to let everyone know, those who care anyway, you can now watch Comics and GN's on your PSP.

I just found this out, and think its pretty neat. Go to Playstations site if your interested. Get the details there.

So far they have some 900 Titles available for DL.

Pretty cool
 
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I'm surprised there has been no mention to the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. By far the best series i have read. If you have not read it do yourself a favor. The series is a set of stories revolving around 7 siblings, one in particular, Dream. The siblings are Destiny, Death, Delirium, Despair, desire, and Destruction. Each master of their own world
 
#18
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I just read Shutter Island and think it's a great Graphic Novel for story and the art is one of the best I have seen. I never picked up more than one of the Sandman books but that has been due to time writing and I have to be picky on what I read to justify the time missed on my own stuff. The art in Sandman is nop notch and the story I did read always left you thinking. I do plan on getting through the series at some point here. Have any of the books you want to sell as a group?
 
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The ones that I have are Batman The Dark Knight Returns, Alien vs Predator, 303, Batman The Killing Joke, Wanted, and The Jokers Greatest Stories.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rookie75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know I heard that they are making the walking dead into a tv show. I think AMC is the one that is making it. Here is more infor on that show.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/01/20/amc-orders-pilot-for-the-walking-dead-tv-series/ </div></div>

Now that is awesome. Hope they dont fuck it up.

Hollywood needs to get back to its zombie roots and stop calling every monster or plague movie a zombie flick.

If they truly stick with what makes the story a horror, and not get to involved with the "why" or "how" of the zombies, it should be great.
 
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