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Gunbroker Asshole... I May need L.E. Help

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oneshot onekill

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I bought an old Remington M1917 from a guy on GB. He said it had the original finish. When it showed up at my FFL I, and several others, could tell it had been re-blued. I never completed the transfer and left it at my dealer's shop. I immediately emailed the seller and told him I'd like a refund because it was incorrectly described. He disagreed with my assessment but agreed to refund my money. I had my dealer ship it back in the same box it came in. Apparently UPS left it on his porch and it got rained on. He emailed me that I had shipped it illegally because I didn't get a signature confirmation and he was upset that it sat in the rain all day. Now, he won't send me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me!

John
 
#2
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an old Remington M1917 from a guy on GB. He said it had the original finish. When it showed up at my FFL I, and several others, could tell it had been re-blued. I never completed the transfer and left it at my dealer's shop. I immediately emailed the seller and told him I'd like a refund because it was incorrectly described. He disagreed with my assessment but agreed to refund my money. I had my dealer ship it back in the same box it came in. Apparently UPS left it on his porch and it got rained on. He emailed me that I had shipped it illegally because I didn't get a signature confirmation and he was upset that it sat in the rain all day. Now, he won't send me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me! Anyone out there who happens to be LE in the Lee Summit, Mo. area or specifically Lake Lotawana, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks guys!
Sorry for your problem, however, the idiot has made some mistakes, one: you didn't ship it, your dealer did. Was it insured? UPS has several hundred dollars of insurance on each package. I don't think local LE, has the smarts or the ability to solve this. The Fed might, as it involves the interstate sale of a firearm, and a fraud-just a thought. The UPS insurance people may want to get involved.

John </div></div>
 
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I had them insure it for the purchase price. The guy is blaming me for something UPS did. I doubt the rifle even got wet. It was in a plastic hard case inside the box. I have bent over backward to be fair to this piss-ant. I even offered to let him refund me $50 less than I paid for his trouble. I checked with ATF and there are no laws requiring a signature confirmation when shipping a rifle to a C&R holder which is what the seller is. He seems to be just making excuses to keep my money. Maybe he already spent it and is trying to sell the rifle to someone else to get the money. problem is, he agreed to refund the money but is now keeping it pending what GB says. WTF difference does that make! The more I think about this, the more I want to see this mother-fucker do jail time!
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had them insure it for the purchase price. The guy is blaming me for something UPS did. I doubt the rifle even got wet. It was in a plastic hard case inside the box. I have bent over backward to be fair to this piss-ant. I even offered to let him refund me $50 less than I paid for his trouble. I checked with ATF and there are no laws requiring a signature confirmation when shipping a rifle to a C&R holder which is what the seller is. He seems to be just making excuses to keep my money. Maybe he already spent it and is trying to sell the rifle to someone else to get the money. problem is, he agreed to refund the money but is now keeping it pending what GB says. WTF difference does that make! The more I think about this, the more I want to see this mother-fucker do jail time! </div></div>

What criminal statute exists in your state or that of the sellers that you think applies here?
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyone out there who happens to be LE in the Lee Summit, Mo. area or specifically Lake Lotawana, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks guys!
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This is a civil matter... Cops play no role in this.

I'd just call him up and try to reason with him. Sounds like his story is bullshit though and is just pissed 'cus the deal fell through.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The more I think about this, the more I want to see this mother-fucker do jail time! </div></div>

Slow down for a sec bud, if he's going to force you to wait until GB says something than just wait it out. You said you insured it, right? File a claim and go from there.
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Anyone out there who happens to be LE in the Lee Summit, Mo. area or specifically Lake Lotawana, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks guys!

John </div></div>

What, does Lee Summit PD not have a telephone number that you can call or do you honestly think any officer worth a pinch of shit is going to contact you so they can arrest and incarcerate this guy on your say so ???? good luck!
 
#8
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Sorry to get so hostile about this but it really chaps my hyde that this guy has my money and the rifle and seems to be screwing with me because the deal fell through. My comments about LE stemmed from GB's suggestion that the seller's local law enforcement may need to get involved in this at some point. Also, GB referred me to their "Fraud" policies and procedures in the case that he doesn't send my refund. I didn't think that was a "civil matter"... And I thought there was jail time associated with fraud. But I'm not a lawyer so I really don't know for sure...

Yes... I contacted GB as well. And by all appearances they seem to be on my side. I just have to wait until 30 days have passed to file formal charges. And if I don't get my refund in a timely manner I will. Forgive me for asking for help. I was under the impression there was a certain degree of comradery and brotherhood here on the Hide. And I've seen guys offer to help a fellow member out in situations like this. My bad for assuming...
 
#9
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry to get so hostile about this </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I was under the impression there was a certain degree of comradery and brotherhood here on the Hide. And I've seen guys offer to help a fellow member out in situations like this. My bad for assuming... </div></div>

Well there is, and a lot of it here, but after this post I don't think you'll be seeing any of it...

Really man, this is a civil matter and like I said you have to wait it out and/or file a claim. There's not much anyone can do to help you. I know you're pissed and who wouldn't be but what are your options..?
 
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I showed this to my hubby. He's an Ex-LEO and we live in the same AO (about 5 minutes down I70) as your GB seller. Here's what he said:

Its a civil matter, the local police, state, nor the Feds will give you the time of day on this.

He's committed no crime, violated no statute, and as it sits in your description is perfectly within his rights to wait on the arbitration of the Gunbroker staff. There is no criminal violation, and no basis for even a civil action as of yet.

Wait it out, switch to decaf, and relax. You catch more flies with honey...

Thats his take on it, good luck and hope it turns out well.
 
#13
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Actually, all of my correspondence with the seller has been very nice. I apologized for the inconvenience, told him I would feel the same if it were me, even offered to take a $50 loss for his trouble. My post here is more for the purpose of venting than anything else. I think all I was really hoping for was a little sympathy. A little bit of... "Man, that sucks!... We'll help any way we can." My comment about comradery and brotherhood was not meant to piss anyone off. Although now I can see how it would. I really am sorry for assuming... Because I know it was wrong. I don't think any less of the comradery and brotherhood here... I just misunderstood based on what I've read in the past.

Once again, SORRY!
 
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I know it sucks I have been stuck in the same thing as well and there is nothing the police can do about it. I am an LEO so I knew it ahead of time but it does suck none the less. I was able to get all of money back including shipping so I was very lucky. Hopefully it works out for you too.
 
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Man that sucks! Is there anything I can do to help?


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Sorry. I know you don't know me, but regardless I do feel your pain. It sucks when someone takes advantage of you and you have to just sit on your hands and wait.
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an old Remington M1917 from a guy on GB. He said it had the original finish. When it showed up at my FFL I, and several others, could tell it had been re-blued. I never completed the transfer and left it at my dealer's shop. I immediately emailed the seller and told him I'd like a refund because it was incorrectly described. He disagreed with my assessment but agreed to refund my money. I had my dealer ship it back in the same box it came in. Apparently UPS left it on his porch and it got rained on. He emailed me that I had shipped it illegally because I didn't get a signature confirmation and he was upset that it sat in the rain all day. Now, he won't send me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me!

John </div></div>

I ship many rifles UPS and when you claim whats in the box for insurance purposes and they find out it's a rifle it automatically gets an "Adult Signature Required" tag. Did you not do that?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sdkidaho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man that sucks! Is there anything I can do to help?


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Sorry. I know you don't know me, but regardless I do feel your pain. It sucks when someone takes advantage of you and you have to just sit on your hands and wait. </div></div>
That's actually hilarious! I needed the comic relief!
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As far as the insurance declaration... I wasn't aware of that. My dealer shipped the rifle and I told him to insure it for the purchase price which he told me he did. I'm really not sure how this went so wrong to begin with. I'm sure my dealer's UPS guy knows he ships rifles and with an insurance amount that high, I would think he'd assume it was a rifle. But who knows... Maybe the driver was in a hurry and just picked up the boxes and ran out the door. I've seen them do that before. Anyway, I didn't get a chance to call my dealer today but I plan to tomorrow. I'm interested to hear how he didn't know UPS's policy when he ships and receives rifles all the time. Thanks for the info.
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as the insurance declaration... I wasn't aware of that. My dealer shipped the rifle and I told him to insure it for the purchase price which he told me he did. I'm really not sure how this went so wrong to begin with. I'm sure my dealer's UPS guy knows he ships rifles and with an insurance amount that high, I would think he'd assume it was a rifle. But who knows... Maybe the driver was in a hurry and just picked up the boxes and ran out the door. I've seen them do that before. Anyway, I didn't get a chance to call my dealer today but I plan to tomorrow. I'm interested to hear how he didn't know UPS's policy when he ships and receives rifles all the time. Thanks for the info. </div></div>

UPS covers anything damaged in the box under $100 but you have to pay more for insurance for anything over $100 and it still has to be described as to what your insuring inside the box. I would ask to see the UPS receipt from your dealer on the shipment of said M1917 to see exactly what insurance it any was taken out and if the contents were described. It may be on you now to attempt to prove what was inside the box. Good luck.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tazaroo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an old Remington M1917 from a guy on GB. He said it had the original finish. When it showed up at my FFL I, and several others, could tell it had been re-blued. I never completed the transfer and left it at my dealer's shop. I immediately emailed the seller and told him I'd like a refund because it was incorrectly described. He disagreed with my assessment but agreed to refund my money. I had my dealer ship it back in the same box it came in. Apparently UPS left it on his porch and it got rained on. He emailed me that I had shipped it illegally because I didn't get a signature confirmation and he was upset that it sat in the rain all day. Now, he won't send me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me!

John </div></div>

I ship many rifles UPS and when you claim whats in the box for insurance purposes and they find out it's a rifle it automatically gets an "Adult Signature Required" tag. Did you not do that? </div></div>

I have a C&RFFL and have had many rifles left on the porch. When I checked the UPS tracking they always showed delivered with an adult signature required. There have actually been a few times when they set it on the porch, ring the doorbell and are back to their truck by the time I get off my couch and answer the door.
I had ordered some ammo from the CMP. It required an adult signature. I found the box on my porch after work.

A signature required from UPS doesn't mean a thing.

Jim
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pepperbelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tazaroo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bought an old Remington M1917 from a guy on GB. He said it had the original finish. When it showed up at my FFL I, and several others, could tell it had been re-blued. I never completed the transfer and left it at my dealer's shop. I immediately emailed the seller and told him I'd like a refund because it was incorrectly described. He disagreed with my assessment but agreed to refund my money. I had my dealer ship it back in the same box it came in. Apparently UPS left it on his porch and it got rained on. He emailed me that I had shipped it illegally because I didn't get a signature confirmation and he was upset that it sat in the rain all day. Now, he won't send me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me!

John </div></div>

I ship many rifles UPS and when you claim whats in the box for insurance purposes and they find out it's a rifle it automatically gets an "Adult Signature Required" tag. Did you not do that? </div></div>

I have a C&RFFL and have had many rifles left on the porch. When I checked the UPS tracking they always showed delivered with an adult signature required. There have actually been a few times when they set it on the porch, ring the doorbell and are back to their truck by the time I get off my couch and answer the door.
I had ordered some ammo from the CMP. It required an adult signature. I found the box on my porch after work.

A signature required from UPS doesn't mean a thing.

Jim </div></div>

I agree. It doesn't mean a thing to a lazy driver but it may mean something when your in court. I have had ammo left on my back porch but never a gun left by UPS (yet).
 
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Pepperbelly is spot on. I came home one night and saw a long package(looked every bit like a rifle case) sitting on my APARTMENT'S porch. I thought that surely they did not leave my $1500 rifle on my porch. But they did.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nashlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pepperbelly is spot on. I came home one night and saw a long package(looked every bit like a rifle case) sitting on my APARTMENT'S porch. I thought that surely they did not leave my $1500 rifle on my porch. But they did. </div></div>

Ha! Ha!

They left my $12,000 rifle in a restaurant for 5 days, until I started calling to ask where it was.

Fortunately none of the restaurant customers decided to take the rifle home.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 500grains</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nashlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pepperbelly is spot on. I came home one night and saw a long package(looked every bit like a rifle case) sitting on my APARTMENT'S porch. I thought that surely they did not leave my $1500 rifle on my porch. But they did. </div></div>

Ha! Ha!

They left my $12,000 rifle in a restaurant for 5 days, until I started calling to ask where it was.

Fortunately none of the restaurant customers decided to take the rifle home.</div></div>

I had a KMW coming via UPS and it was overdue. I started making calls. I finally got in contact with a woman who casually stated, "Oh, we have it. It's sitting in a corner."

Yeah, sitting in a corner waiting for someone to take home. I think if I had waited on calling it would have been soon gone.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> me my refund, doesn't respond to emails as quickly as before and has contacted GB regarding this. All this time this ass-clown has my money and the rifle. He's fucking with me! </div></div> Send him an e-mail that since he has a C&R license you are contacting the BATF Stolen Firearms Program Manager at 1-888-930-9275 and reporting a fraud by a licensee if he doesn't overnight certified funds today. He'll respond, licensees always do.
 
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Well, I got an email last night from the seller so I guess this is how it ends. Here is what the email said after I inquired as to where exactly UPS left the rifle:

"The gun was placed on the edge of a small awning, totally visible from the street and unprotected from an all day rain event. My gun was wet. This demonstrated lack of concern for my property, Gunbroker rules and interstate shipping law. You like to blame others, but the responsibility falls on you. You have shown total disregard for my property. A check for $650.00 was mailed Saturday. I guess I'll see what kind of gentleman you are if that $50.00 bucks shows up in my mailbox."

... And here was my response:

"Well Mr. XXXXX, whether you believe it or not, I was trying to do everything the right way. I made an honest assessment, I never took possession of the rifle, I had my Dealer handle shipping it back and you WILL be receiving $50 in the mail for your trouble. My conscience is clear. Thank you for mailing the refund. I believe there is a way Gunbroker can credit you for the listing fees when a deal falls through. Let me know if there is anything I need to do to help you accomplish this. I've not done it but remember reading something about it way back when I first started using Gunbroker."



Yes, I'm going to send him the $50 I promised for his trouble because no matter what he thinks of me it's the right thing to do. My earlier rantings were just that... Rantings! I'm not usually an unreasonable ASS but when someone pushes the right buttons at the right time I can be. Sincere thanks to all who responded. Even when it was to put me in my place and let me know I was being an IDIOT! Yet another crisis you've all helped me through...

John

(Now lets see if the check actually shows up... LOL!)




 
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