I found great joy in watching this piece of shit go to pieces upon hearing the judge hand down sentencing.
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I'll volunteer my bullets and my trigger finger...
Death by gunfire would be too easy for this fucker. Hopefully after repeated and sustained ass rapes, he gets ass cancer and dies a slow and painful death.
"...hoped for parole". What about the victim, when is the victim eligible for parole. Rot in hell fucker!
LOL, he cried like a little bitch.
Good.
Too bad the judge didn't throw his little sister in jail too.
Good.
Too bad the judge didn't throw his little sister in jail too.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Off to the booty house. I hope he's been practicing grabbing his ankles.
X1000. Unbelievable that the thug's human excrement of a family, lashed out at the poor parents of the murder victim. As well as thinking that their p.o.s deserved parole.
Good riddance.
I like your thinking on this Slap.
Highly doubt it. People are going to continue to kill each other world wide regardless of consequences whether public or private. The death penalty is not to curb crime but justice for the victim and his/her family. That said this sick POS will get what's coming to him ahem...in the end. His family isn't any better, yelling at the victims family they hate them. They didn't do anything but receive a violent death. Try raising your kid better before he becomes an animal.
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No doubt he's a POS, but his family????????????????
His family is every bit the worthless motherfucker he is for supporting the piece of shit. Did you not hear them yelling at the victims family?
Yeah, that sealed it for me. Line all those fuckers up and toss them into a wood chipper, feet first, and then use the remains as fertilizer for tomato plants so at least some good can come of those scumbags.
all part of what may be coming down the line. Freaking Thug Life & his family think they are owed something because of their lot in life. Nothing but a lowlife scum sucking criminal....Prayers for the victim and his family..... and prayers for the thug and his family too. Just maybe, they might see the light and stop blaming others for their mistakes....
I have had such a hard time typing in here, what I want to say. But then I keep having to delete it, for fear of being banned and/or arrested.
Let me finish this off, by simply stating that "this particular defendant and his family" has taken "Method Acting" to a level further than Heath Ledger ever could have attained.
Let me finish this off, by simply stating that "this particular defendant and his family" has taken "Method Acting" to a level further than Heath Ledger ever could have attained.
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This is the reward of a subculture that has gone beyond glorification of criminality and embraced it as an actual lifestyle and vocation. He felt no more remorse over the killing of that student than one of us would taking a deer. He'd pose with body I bet.
What is truly disturbing is the expectation of some leniency given his previous behavior in the court.
My only regret about his sentencing is that it's paid for by taxpayers. As though we don't have enough leeches to feed.
What is truly disturbing is the expectation of some leniency given his previous behavior in the court.
My only regret about his sentencing is that it's paid for by taxpayers. As though we don't have enough leeches to feed.
His family obviously embraced the same culture he was trying to portray... the only good thing about down here in Louisiana is criminals like that if they end up in Hunts or Angola Prison...they find out on the first day what being a gangsta is all about. My dad is retired lawyer here and I remember all his buddies telling me stories about how long it takes for prison life to take over in those two jails.
He should have been let go. He did it because of Trayvon.
I'm going to post this on every forum I frequent. Hopefully it goes viral and all the other animal fucks in prison can see what a pussy this savage is and hopefully remember it when he shows up.
I think that was the cry of fresh fish lol...but after seeing him half ass gang sign to the family at the first hearing he deserved worse, at least get him off the tax payers back.
It's amazing how many "bleeding hearts" are opposed to capital punishment! They are also the big supporter of "rehab" and second chances-too bad the victims don't get a second chance. I wonder how long it will take this piece of trash to become "special friend" to one or more of the other pieces of trash in prison?
Yes and for the rest of his life. Disgusting. He should be eliminated from this life.
Now we have to pay 60k a year for the next 60 years to keep this piece of shit in jail. What does a .22 bullet cost these days
Lifted this from an email circulating around, it is from the forum that shall not be mentioned, but does appear to be written by an officer with some street experience. I think the content is thought provoking, because the criminal mindset described here perfectly matches the POS in that video.
It is long, but interesting, because it seems authentic. Maybe some of the officers on this forum could corroborate this man's views of the no conscience criminal element. Here it is, again not my words I am quoting this anonymous officer beginning with "Background":
Background
First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.
The Enemy
Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.
No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.
He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.
This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.
Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.
Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.
We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. Fuck their own momma.
We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.
That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.
The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.
One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.
I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".
You
Chances are good you are a law abiding person except for maybe a little light weed smoking and maybe driving a little drunk every once in a while. Most of your life you have been taught to be nice and don't point guns at people. You are the exact opposite of your enemy who was taught just the opposite. Remember a lot of street life is like prison life. Who's the man is everything. Violence is the currency of the street.
You do not possess total disregard for the lives of others and do not want to kill anyone. You are concerned about the ramifications of shooting someone. Your family, your possessions and finances on the line. Your enemy has none of these concerns.
The laws that keep you from carrying your gun in bars or where ever mean nothing to your enemy. Your reluctance to shoot someone works to is advantage. His greater experience in street violence and the element of surprise is on his side.
Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That's right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.
You can probably find it on line now. A lot of the victim Officers were a lot like a lot of other people, normal people. They were the opposite of their enemy.
Am I advocating becoming the enemy? No. I am saying the person who is robbing you has certain traits, attitudes, and background. That is all.
Dynamics of Encounters
Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them. The time between when you are targeted and they are on you isn't long. Therefore, situational awareness is everything.
If you see G coming you are in good shape. If you don't you will be the victim who says "He came out of nowhere". No he didn't. There are many tricks to watching out but simply watching your back is the main thing. Watch your back. If you do it enough it becomes second nature and you won't even realize you are doing it.
Watching out is great but unfortunately many self defense courses stop there. You have parked you car in a well lit area, are aware of your surroundings, and looky here, here comes three guys across the parking lot and they start to kind of fan out.
When you lock eyes with G the very first thing you need to do it indicate you have a weapon. It doesn't matter if you do or not. If you are a woman put your gun hand in your purse and keep it there. If you are a man fan your shirt or coat tail with your gun hand. Make it clear to dude you are mentally prepared to draw and making sure your gun is clear. This will many times result in an about face by dude. It is the single best robbery avoidance tactic IMHO.
Not long ago I was walking down the sidewalk in my town to go get my car. I was holding a folding chair in my gun hand. A car slow rolled past me with 4 heads in it. The guys in the back seat turned around as they went by looking at me. They went a little farther and U turned in the street.
Here they come back. As they started to slow down I looked at them with as contemptuous a look as I could muster and switched the chair to my left hand and flicked my shirt tail with my right hand. They just drove on mad dogging me.
In another case I was at a Christmas party and walked a girl to her car about 3 am. As we said our good-byes two guys were walking across the parking lot. One went behind a dumpster. I though he was peeing. He came out from behind the dumpster with a bottle.
As they got closer I stepped clear of that girl and unzipped my jacket at those two guys. When I did the guy threw down the bottle and they walked by cussing at me. If someone challenges you after you indicate you are armed say "I don't have a gun". Then they will know you do.
Here is an opposite story. A girl my brother knows was walking her dog when a guy approached her. She was polite. Mistake. He talked to her about the dog and said she had pretty hair and reached out and touched her hair. She did not slap his hand down or aggressively object. Mistake. He asked her if her dog bit and she said "No". At that time he slapped the shit out of her, drug her into a wooded area, and raped her.
The answer in the street is always "No". Can I ask you something? No. Do you have a cigarette? No. Can you tell me what time it is? No. The answer is always "No". Don't be nice. Stop the encounter as soon as it starts.
When to draw
Despite warnings I often see on the Net I have yet to encounter an instance in which a hold up man called the police to report his intended victim threatened to shoot him. Thugs do not want to come into contact with the police. They may already be wanted or realize chances are good they have been identified in a recent robbery. Or what ever. They are not going to call the police if you draw on them.
Supposed two guys are approaching you in a parking lot and do the classic fan out maneuver. You indicate you have a weapon by clearing your gun hand and fanning your jacket at them. They are not discouraged. DRAW!
I am not saying you should pull your gun out, assume a Weaver stance, and scream "That's close enough motherfuckers!" What I am saying is draw your gun and hold it beside your leg as you start to move to cover. I am very fond of telephone poles. Anything will do though. They will see this. They will remember they have to be somewhere else. They will not call the police.
Then you can just put your gun back in the holster and go back to whatever you were doing like nothing happened. Why? Because nothing did happen. A happening is when shots are fired.
Do not hesitate to draw. If you are somewhere you are supposed to be and someone appears who is not supposed to be there like a closed business show him the end of your gun. Could it be Mother Teresa looking for her lost cat behind your closed business? No it is some motherfucker up to no good. He won't call the police to report he was prowling a location when a guy ran him off.
When to shoot
The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon. You are not a police man who has to try to arrest the guy. No need to scream at him. No exposure while you yell for him to drop the gun.
In deer hunting the experienced hunter takes the first good shot. May not be the perfect shot but it never is. Novices pass up a doable shot waiting for a better shot and then the deer is gone. Take the first good shot you are offered. Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot.
If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all. I have known more than one person who was shot and received life changing injuries and also shot their attacker. Their only regret was not shooting sooner. Like Bill Jordan said "Nothing disturbs your enemy's aim like a slug delivered to the belt buckle area".
Guns and weapons
The handgun is the best weapon you can carry easily. I understand it is not always possible to have one due to laws, restrictions, whatever. I am not telling anyone to disregard laws about carrying weapons. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with. I will say there is no substitute for a pistol when you need one.
Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a damn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you.
Types of guns and ammo are always debated and probably always will be. I have seen people shot with all common calibers. My conclusion is if you hit someone between the collar bone and the tip of their ribs three times with anything, they are handled. Bigger is better but something is better than nothing. Get your front sight on his shirt and stay on him as long as he is standing with whatever gun you have.
Just have a gun with sure fire ammo. Draw early and fire immediately upon seeing his weapon. That course of action is about all you can do to up your odds of ending things favorably. Guns like the Ruger LC9, SIG 239, Glock 26/27 are examples of guns small enough to carry but with enough power and capacity to be useful. Do not be afraid to use a French Lebelle if that is the only gun you have. A gun is a gun. I like a Glock 19.
Training
We all want the best training. It can be expensive if you are having to pay for it and it can be hard to find the time to do it. There is a whole lot of BS out there. What can you do? First, pistol handling is not rocket surgery. If you will learn the basics and practice on your own you can be fine. Smooth draw, quick pairs, reload. If you know those things well you can be OK.
I know a young man who shot down two hold up men in 2010 at very close range while he and his GF were walking home from the store. He in Wyatt Earp like fashion ignored the fire coming from the gunman and killed him and wounded his accomplice. He nor his GF were injured. He like many was willing to give them the money until he picked up on nonverbal cues that because of his GF they were not quite satisfied with the money. He had a Glock 27.
He had only the most basic of training in gun handling but did do some draws and some dry fire a couple times a week and live fired maybe once a month. That basic skill combined with knowing what to do was enough. He shot at the first possible moment despite having let the guys get the drop on them. When the gunman turned his head because a car drove by that was the opening. A split second is a long time sometimes.
Work on some one hand shooting at close range. That is a skill not as popular as it once was and you want to use two hands when you can. Often you can find yourself doing something with your off hand though so be able to shoot with one hand out to 5 yards or so.
After
If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire. I know there are bad police out there in some parts of the country who don't support self defense. I can't help you with that.
Do not talk to them until you have your attorney present. Now most young guys don't have an attorney on retainer and you may have no idea who to call. That is OK. You will figure it out but in the mean time don't talk about what happened other than to say you were forced to fire. You don't have to be an asshole just remember wait for your attorney.
Hopefully you will not give a statement for a couple days. Remember if you are put in jail that doesn't mean you are charged. Most places can hold you 48 or 72 hours on a felony before charging you or letting you go. Breath deep and get an attorney.
Expect to never get your gun back. You may get it back one day but maybe not. Do not buy expensive guns for the street. Buy yourself a nice sporting gun if you want a nice gun. Keep your street guns basic. The factory Model 10 Smith and the GI 45 have done a lot of work over the years and aren't fancy.
Worlds
We all live in different worlds. My world is filled with felons and gang members. Violence is common place. No one would be surprised if one of their friends called and said they shot a hold up man at a place of business or parking lot. In the past when I made calls the fact that the guy who is beating his GF is also on parole for 2nd degree murder flavored my world.
You may live in a smaller, less violent place where shootings seldom occur and it would be a rare to shoot a hold up man. I envy you and will be moving to a place like your town as soon as I can.
But be advised no matter where you are a hold man is going to be about the same. Whether he is a home boy or a guy who just exited the interstate into your town and needs some quick money. He is going to have a vicious streak and no regard for your life. Treat him like he treats you.
Giving them the money, doing what they say, all that may work but there is no guarantee. If you have never read Jeff Cooper's book The Principles of Personal Defense I suggest you order a copy immediately. It is a short book but summarizes a lot of important things.
Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.
The lesser thugs all turned on the trigger man at trial. The trigger man's statement in the paper was after all that had happened he felt like he was a victim. Think about that. That is the mindset you are up against.
It is long, but interesting, because it seems authentic. Maybe some of the officers on this forum could corroborate this man's views of the no conscience criminal element. Here it is, again not my words I am quoting this anonymous officer beginning with "Background":
Background
First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.
The Enemy
Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.
No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.
He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.
This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.
Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.
Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.
We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. Fuck their own momma.
We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.
That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.
The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.
One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.
I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".
You
Chances are good you are a law abiding person except for maybe a little light weed smoking and maybe driving a little drunk every once in a while. Most of your life you have been taught to be nice and don't point guns at people. You are the exact opposite of your enemy who was taught just the opposite. Remember a lot of street life is like prison life. Who's the man is everything. Violence is the currency of the street.
You do not possess total disregard for the lives of others and do not want to kill anyone. You are concerned about the ramifications of shooting someone. Your family, your possessions and finances on the line. Your enemy has none of these concerns.
The laws that keep you from carrying your gun in bars or where ever mean nothing to your enemy. Your reluctance to shoot someone works to is advantage. His greater experience in street violence and the element of surprise is on his side.
Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That's right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.
You can probably find it on line now. A lot of the victim Officers were a lot like a lot of other people, normal people. They were the opposite of their enemy.
Am I advocating becoming the enemy? No. I am saying the person who is robbing you has certain traits, attitudes, and background. That is all.
Dynamics of Encounters
Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them. The time between when you are targeted and they are on you isn't long. Therefore, situational awareness is everything.
If you see G coming you are in good shape. If you don't you will be the victim who says "He came out of nowhere". No he didn't. There are many tricks to watching out but simply watching your back is the main thing. Watch your back. If you do it enough it becomes second nature and you won't even realize you are doing it.
Watching out is great but unfortunately many self defense courses stop there. You have parked you car in a well lit area, are aware of your surroundings, and looky here, here comes three guys across the parking lot and they start to kind of fan out.
When you lock eyes with G the very first thing you need to do it indicate you have a weapon. It doesn't matter if you do or not. If you are a woman put your gun hand in your purse and keep it there. If you are a man fan your shirt or coat tail with your gun hand. Make it clear to dude you are mentally prepared to draw and making sure your gun is clear. This will many times result in an about face by dude. It is the single best robbery avoidance tactic IMHO.
Not long ago I was walking down the sidewalk in my town to go get my car. I was holding a folding chair in my gun hand. A car slow rolled past me with 4 heads in it. The guys in the back seat turned around as they went by looking at me. They went a little farther and U turned in the street.
Here they come back. As they started to slow down I looked at them with as contemptuous a look as I could muster and switched the chair to my left hand and flicked my shirt tail with my right hand. They just drove on mad dogging me.
In another case I was at a Christmas party and walked a girl to her car about 3 am. As we said our good-byes two guys were walking across the parking lot. One went behind a dumpster. I though he was peeing. He came out from behind the dumpster with a bottle.
As they got closer I stepped clear of that girl and unzipped my jacket at those two guys. When I did the guy threw down the bottle and they walked by cussing at me. If someone challenges you after you indicate you are armed say "I don't have a gun". Then they will know you do.
Here is an opposite story. A girl my brother knows was walking her dog when a guy approached her. She was polite. Mistake. He talked to her about the dog and said she had pretty hair and reached out and touched her hair. She did not slap his hand down or aggressively object. Mistake. He asked her if her dog bit and she said "No". At that time he slapped the shit out of her, drug her into a wooded area, and raped her.
The answer in the street is always "No". Can I ask you something? No. Do you have a cigarette? No. Can you tell me what time it is? No. The answer is always "No". Don't be nice. Stop the encounter as soon as it starts.
When to draw
Despite warnings I often see on the Net I have yet to encounter an instance in which a hold up man called the police to report his intended victim threatened to shoot him. Thugs do not want to come into contact with the police. They may already be wanted or realize chances are good they have been identified in a recent robbery. Or what ever. They are not going to call the police if you draw on them.
Supposed two guys are approaching you in a parking lot and do the classic fan out maneuver. You indicate you have a weapon by clearing your gun hand and fanning your jacket at them. They are not discouraged. DRAW!
I am not saying you should pull your gun out, assume a Weaver stance, and scream "That's close enough motherfuckers!" What I am saying is draw your gun and hold it beside your leg as you start to move to cover. I am very fond of telephone poles. Anything will do though. They will see this. They will remember they have to be somewhere else. They will not call the police.
Then you can just put your gun back in the holster and go back to whatever you were doing like nothing happened. Why? Because nothing did happen. A happening is when shots are fired.
Do not hesitate to draw. If you are somewhere you are supposed to be and someone appears who is not supposed to be there like a closed business show him the end of your gun. Could it be Mother Teresa looking for her lost cat behind your closed business? No it is some motherfucker up to no good. He won't call the police to report he was prowling a location when a guy ran him off.
When to shoot
The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon. You are not a police man who has to try to arrest the guy. No need to scream at him. No exposure while you yell for him to drop the gun.
In deer hunting the experienced hunter takes the first good shot. May not be the perfect shot but it never is. Novices pass up a doable shot waiting for a better shot and then the deer is gone. Take the first good shot you are offered. Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot.
If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all. I have known more than one person who was shot and received life changing injuries and also shot their attacker. Their only regret was not shooting sooner. Like Bill Jordan said "Nothing disturbs your enemy's aim like a slug delivered to the belt buckle area".
Guns and weapons
The handgun is the best weapon you can carry easily. I understand it is not always possible to have one due to laws, restrictions, whatever. I am not telling anyone to disregard laws about carrying weapons. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with. I will say there is no substitute for a pistol when you need one.
Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a damn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you.
Types of guns and ammo are always debated and probably always will be. I have seen people shot with all common calibers. My conclusion is if you hit someone between the collar bone and the tip of their ribs three times with anything, they are handled. Bigger is better but something is better than nothing. Get your front sight on his shirt and stay on him as long as he is standing with whatever gun you have.
Just have a gun with sure fire ammo. Draw early and fire immediately upon seeing his weapon. That course of action is about all you can do to up your odds of ending things favorably. Guns like the Ruger LC9, SIG 239, Glock 26/27 are examples of guns small enough to carry but with enough power and capacity to be useful. Do not be afraid to use a French Lebelle if that is the only gun you have. A gun is a gun. I like a Glock 19.
Training
We all want the best training. It can be expensive if you are having to pay for it and it can be hard to find the time to do it. There is a whole lot of BS out there. What can you do? First, pistol handling is not rocket surgery. If you will learn the basics and practice on your own you can be fine. Smooth draw, quick pairs, reload. If you know those things well you can be OK.
I know a young man who shot down two hold up men in 2010 at very close range while he and his GF were walking home from the store. He in Wyatt Earp like fashion ignored the fire coming from the gunman and killed him and wounded his accomplice. He nor his GF were injured. He like many was willing to give them the money until he picked up on nonverbal cues that because of his GF they were not quite satisfied with the money. He had a Glock 27.
He had only the most basic of training in gun handling but did do some draws and some dry fire a couple times a week and live fired maybe once a month. That basic skill combined with knowing what to do was enough. He shot at the first possible moment despite having let the guys get the drop on them. When the gunman turned his head because a car drove by that was the opening. A split second is a long time sometimes.
Work on some one hand shooting at close range. That is a skill not as popular as it once was and you want to use two hands when you can. Often you can find yourself doing something with your off hand though so be able to shoot with one hand out to 5 yards or so.
After
If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire. I know there are bad police out there in some parts of the country who don't support self defense. I can't help you with that.
Do not talk to them until you have your attorney present. Now most young guys don't have an attorney on retainer and you may have no idea who to call. That is OK. You will figure it out but in the mean time don't talk about what happened other than to say you were forced to fire. You don't have to be an asshole just remember wait for your attorney.
Hopefully you will not give a statement for a couple days. Remember if you are put in jail that doesn't mean you are charged. Most places can hold you 48 or 72 hours on a felony before charging you or letting you go. Breath deep and get an attorney.
Expect to never get your gun back. You may get it back one day but maybe not. Do not buy expensive guns for the street. Buy yourself a nice sporting gun if you want a nice gun. Keep your street guns basic. The factory Model 10 Smith and the GI 45 have done a lot of work over the years and aren't fancy.
Worlds
We all live in different worlds. My world is filled with felons and gang members. Violence is common place. No one would be surprised if one of their friends called and said they shot a hold up man at a place of business or parking lot. In the past when I made calls the fact that the guy who is beating his GF is also on parole for 2nd degree murder flavored my world.
You may live in a smaller, less violent place where shootings seldom occur and it would be a rare to shoot a hold up man. I envy you and will be moving to a place like your town as soon as I can.
But be advised no matter where you are a hold man is going to be about the same. Whether he is a home boy or a guy who just exited the interstate into your town and needs some quick money. He is going to have a vicious streak and no regard for your life. Treat him like he treats you.
Giving them the money, doing what they say, all that may work but there is no guarantee. If you have never read Jeff Cooper's book The Principles of Personal Defense I suggest you order a copy immediately. It is a short book but summarizes a lot of important things.
Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.
The lesser thugs all turned on the trigger man at trial. The trigger man's statement in the paper was after all that had happened he felt like he was a victim. Think about that. That is the mindset you are up against.
Was the judge trying to get her side arm? She was digging around to her right under the desk for something...
eli polite- I think that is a good idea.
It has a problem though, No 22 ammo to buy.lol Surely someone would donate to the cause. FM
It has a problem though, No 22 ammo to buy.lol Surely someone would donate to the cause. FM
What's wrong with a lethal beating? Hell go Roman and force his family to do it or else they get to be killed.
I dont know how this family could ever recover from this. This is terrible. I dont think my opinion on punishment would be liked by PITA, cause he is animal.
Ok Graham I will probably regret this but remind me what "rule #1" is again.
I found what he wrote interesting not because of his advice concerning shooting/defending yourself but rather his analysis of the mindset of the typical criminal element he has interviewed.
I believe it is useful to remind ourselves that these people do not think like most of us, and that they have no feeling for you or your life at all. The OP's video and that write up can help us make better assessments about the threat posed by these criminals. Not everyone is aware of the true extent of the moral vacancy in these types of criminals. Given your work I am sure you are fully aware, but others may not be.
I found what he wrote interesting not because of his advice concerning shooting/defending yourself but rather his analysis of the mindset of the typical criminal element he has interviewed.
I believe it is useful to remind ourselves that these people do not think like most of us, and that they have no feeling for you or your life at all. The OP's video and that write up can help us make better assessments about the threat posed by these criminals. Not everyone is aware of the true extent of the moral vacancy in these types of criminals. Given your work I am sure you are fully aware, but others may not be.
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What, you're not Gibbs.
Most likely a security button that gets a lot more deputies in there quick.
Nice article KY. IF ever in a position as this guy described I would always stop and think..."WRD?" What would Raylan do.....as in Raylan Givens 
hahahahaha.
As for the original post, that little fucker is going to get his fair share.....in the ass.....for the rest of his life!
hahahahaha.As for the original post, that little fucker is going to get his fair share.....in the ass.....for the rest of his life!
I'm ashamed our tax dollars have to be used to feed and house scum like him.
Nipe the gene pool from society. Don't give these fuckers a chance to reproduce! It's our only hope.
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No sane person can bear the burden that comes from these acts of pointless violence. There is no going back for these people.
Do like the Russians did to the German POWs and tie him naked to a pole in a mosquito infested swamp. Put it on pay per view and give the money to the victims family. This country is too lenient on criminals.
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After reading all the posts, I am fairly sure the vast majority of the posters would not support college classes, workout rooms, Basketball courts, color TV/with cable, etc. for this scumbag once he is in prison. The cost of keeping this and a million like him in prison is far too high. Some states coddle, and fuss over their scum, far more than others. I guess as long as their tax payers don't mind the added tax in order to support a "good standard of living" for their scum, I shouldn't complain.
I too have typed several responses only to delete them on second thought. I will say this, we are polite people living in impolite times. When you are met with violence on the street it will, more often than not, be an individual just like the defendant (excluding race). He cares little about throwing his own life way, and even less for your life. For all the bravado bullshit that you hear on internet boards, you and I will always think about the consequences of our actions. When facing an opponent who does not we are at an inherent disadvantage.
KY, I think we all admire the spirit of your repost. I however must agree with Graham. I admire everything that police officers do for us and our country, but I wouldn't take their word on a legal matter any more than I would the table I'm sitting at. I have been scared many times in my life, in no case would I pull a gun until a threat was iminent. Finally, being observant will keep you out of far more trouble than carrying a gun will. I say this as a card carrying member of the NRA, and a multi-state CWP holder.
Chip
KY, I think we all admire the spirit of your repost. I however must agree with Graham. I admire everything that police officers do for us and our country, but I wouldn't take their word on a legal matter any more than I would the table I'm sitting at. I have been scared many times in my life, in no case would I pull a gun until a threat was iminent. Finally, being observant will keep you out of far more trouble than carrying a gun will. I say this as a card carrying member of the NRA, and a multi-state CWP holder.
Chip
Those that are looking at BurnedOutLEO's post and questioning the legal beagle merit are not seeing the forest through the trees.
Practicum - Saturday I was in a town of less than 20k, I was celebrating my birthday with my wife and daughter at a nice eatery. When we were done, I left my wife and daughter by the fireplace and I walked 2 blocks to retrieve the car. Un-benounced to me an armed robbery had occurred only a few minutes earlier a 1/2 block away with the BG escaping on foot.
The discipline is to shift focus from the family and the intimate restaurant atmosphere, switch on, confirm access to your blaster, and put your FL in your weak hand as you leave that fireplace and walk out into the night to get the car. Same / same on the who, what, and where of the parking lot on the return, and bouncing out to open doors for the ladies.
I have drawn a weapon 3 times in my life - not one of those times did I ever (even consider) reporting these circumstances LE for fear of a brandishment charge - his point to the same is self evident - If it really is, and they really are - no one is calling LE.
His other point - 'the answer is always NO' was gold. For those that are interested - review SouthNarc's MUC (management of unknown contacts).
Practicum - Saturday I was in a town of less than 20k, I was celebrating my birthday with my wife and daughter at a nice eatery. When we were done, I left my wife and daughter by the fireplace and I walked 2 blocks to retrieve the car. Un-benounced to me an armed robbery had occurred only a few minutes earlier a 1/2 block away with the BG escaping on foot.
The discipline is to shift focus from the family and the intimate restaurant atmosphere, switch on, confirm access to your blaster, and put your FL in your weak hand as you leave that fireplace and walk out into the night to get the car. Same / same on the who, what, and where of the parking lot on the return, and bouncing out to open doors for the ladies.
I have drawn a weapon 3 times in my life - not one of those times did I ever (even consider) reporting these circumstances LE for fear of a brandishment charge - his point to the same is self evident - If it really is, and they really are - no one is calling LE.
His other point - 'the answer is always NO' was gold. For those that are interested - review SouthNarc's MUC (management of unknown contacts).
Dowse that fucker with kerosebe and toss him a flare. The fact that we as taxpayers support pieces of shit like this never ceases to amaze me. +1 for the wood chipper!
Y'all react to these lowlife's however y'all think best. I re-posted it because I believe the man has a pretty accurate perception of the creation and mindset of the hold-up man. The waste of oxygen in that video reminded me of this man's description.
As far as the legal questions, that's maybe better left to another thread and Graham's rule is a good one, though I think they are two different subjects; how best to defend yourself in a life or death encounter and how to remain legal during a life and death encounter are two very different things, and in some jurisdictions have no common ground at all. The consequences of how you order these competing priorities will vary but moving to a free state certainly helps. Modern society is continually trying to shrink discretionary space and turn you into a criminal in almost every area of our lives, including how you may defend yourself.
The corollary to Graham's Rule #1 is something I learned in Iraq that I call Ky's Rule #1: Don't seek advice on how to survive a fight from lawyers.
As far as the legal questions, that's maybe better left to another thread and Graham's rule is a good one, though I think they are two different subjects; how best to defend yourself in a life or death encounter and how to remain legal during a life and death encounter are two very different things, and in some jurisdictions have no common ground at all. The consequences of how you order these competing priorities will vary but moving to a free state certainly helps. Modern society is continually trying to shrink discretionary space and turn you into a criminal in almost every area of our lives, including how you may defend yourself.
The corollary to Graham's Rule #1 is something I learned in Iraq that I call Ky's Rule #1: Don't seek advice on how to survive a fight from lawyers.
Fuck the lawyers. the only rule in a gunfight is WIN. The little shit will work itself out.
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