Can anyone give me the low down on a Harris/Phoenix tactical(pod claws etc.) bipod vs the Atlas BT10. I was thinking of upgrading my Harris S-BRM with the Phoenix mods. Is it better to go with the Atlas? Any info or insight would be appreciated on the two. Thanks!!!
Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
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Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
Either will get the job done.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Atlas. Mind you, my experience with an Atlas was before Kasey got the pan design tightened up, so YMMV.
Unfortunately I can't justify the cost to give the V8 a go for the price of replacing two perfectly good Harrises with 2 Atlases I am getting my match rifle rebarreled.
Heck, I wish I could afford to get set up with PodClaws, but spending's limited to actually getting rounds downrange (where's my check BHO?).
Either will get the job done.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Atlas. Mind you, my experience with an Atlas was before Kasey got the pan design tightened up, so YMMV.
Unfortunately I can't justify the cost to give the V8 a go for the price of replacing two perfectly good Harrises with 2 Atlases I am getting my match rifle rebarreled.
Heck, I wish I could afford to get set up with PodClaws, but spending's limited to actually getting rounds downrange (where's my check BHO?).
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
Atlas... heres why
1) If you put the rifle on the ground you dont need to level the feet as you can just provide adjustments to remove cant
2) If your target is moving you can pan with the bipod
3) The Atlas offers more leg positions, especially useful for downhill shots
4) I feel the Atlas loads better compared to a Harris which meant my shooting improved somewhat
5) Build quality. The atlas is made of machined metal and aluminium(?). The harris is made with folded metal and noisey springs. Im not gutsy enough to test out functional strength but I place trust in both designs, altho you cant deny the Atlas just looks nicer all round.
The Atlas is a supperior product hands down.
The harris is still good, and on bench rifles and level surfaces it works just as well
+1 for the Atlas V8
Atlas... heres why
1) If you put the rifle on the ground you dont need to level the feet as you can just provide adjustments to remove cant
2) If your target is moving you can pan with the bipod
3) The Atlas offers more leg positions, especially useful for downhill shots
4) I feel the Atlas loads better compared to a Harris which meant my shooting improved somewhat
5) Build quality. The atlas is made of machined metal and aluminium(?). The harris is made with folded metal and noisey springs. Im not gutsy enough to test out functional strength but I place trust in both designs, altho you cant deny the Atlas just looks nicer all round.
The Atlas is a supperior product hands down.
The harris is still good, and on bench rifles and level surfaces it works just as well
+1 for the Atlas V8
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
I have had both, I vote for Atlas, but if you cant swing it I dig the Harris swivel model with the podlock.
The harris with podlock is easier IMO to level your stick on the ground because of the locatrion of the pod lock lever, but the Atlas V8 pans, has more positions, and seems to load easier.
I have had both, I vote for Atlas, but if you cant swing it I dig the Harris swivel model with the podlock.
The harris with podlock is easier IMO to level your stick on the ground because of the locatrion of the pod lock lever, but the Atlas V8 pans, has more positions, and seems to load easier.
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
I vote Atlas as well.
I just made the switch from a Harris w/ pod claws to the Atlas, and was just out shooting last week breaking in the Atlas. As stated before, the Atlas is a better package and does everything just a little better plus some. The Atlas is built extremely clean with versatility built in. The final verdict is still out, but the Atlas is great so far.
My biggest gripe of the pod claws, is they work amazing off of the ground, but once you shoot from concrete your screwed. Since they rotate only one way, they can sometimes get all cocked around. This and the feet can't be switched out easily.
They do make the skiis but it can be a pain switching them out as the pins don't switch out easily. This problem is of course solved with the Atlas with detachable ends! Need to order myself some claws & extensions......
Good Luck In Your Decision,
Jason C.
I vote Atlas as well.
I just made the switch from a Harris w/ pod claws to the Atlas, and was just out shooting last week breaking in the Atlas. As stated before, the Atlas is a better package and does everything just a little better plus some. The Atlas is built extremely clean with versatility built in. The final verdict is still out, but the Atlas is great so far.
My biggest gripe of the pod claws, is they work amazing off of the ground, but once you shoot from concrete your screwed. Since they rotate only one way, they can sometimes get all cocked around. This and the feet can't be switched out easily.
They do make the skiis but it can be a pain switching them out as the pins don't switch out easily. This problem is of course solved with the Atlas with detachable ends! Need to order myself some claws & extensions......
Good Luck In Your Decision,
Jason C.
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Unfortunately I can't justify the cost to give the V8 a go for the price of replacing two perfectly good Harrises with 2 Atlases I am getting my match rifle rebarreled.
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Why do you need two? I have all of my rifles set up with pic rails on the bottom and have the bipods said up for quick detach.
FWIW, I use Harris at the square range and Atlas for everything else. The pan capability is a real plus for any kind of real shooting, but the lack of panning ability on the Harris forces it to stay square, so you have more stability.
Another way to look at it is: Harris for groups, Atlas for dot drills. If I were doing tactical comps, I would opt for the Atlas. If I were shooting F-Class, I would opt for the Harris, and really for the Sinclair's if I had the weight for it...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Unfortunately I can't justify the cost to give the V8 a go for the price of replacing two perfectly good Harrises with 2 Atlases I am getting my match rifle rebarreled.
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Why do you need two? I have all of my rifles set up with pic rails on the bottom and have the bipods said up for quick detach.
FWIW, I use Harris at the square range and Atlas for everything else. The pan capability is a real plus for any kind of real shooting, but the lack of panning ability on the Harris forces it to stay square, so you have more stability.
Another way to look at it is: Harris for groups, Atlas for dot drills. If I were doing tactical comps, I would opt for the Atlas. If I were shooting F-Class, I would opt for the Harris, and really for the Sinclair's if I had the weight for it...
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
Good point Carter! so I could save the money from getting two and buy rails and install them on both rifles-still pretty much a wash.
I haven't had any difficulty transitioning target to target (and we transition a bunch at our matches) so I guess to me, the pan is a solution to a problem I don't have, and one more point to loosen up. But I like tight, firm legs.....
As I mentioned, my experience is pre-V8, so if and when I play with a V8 all that may change.
Good point Carter! so I could save the money from getting two and buy rails and install them on both rifles-still pretty much a wash.
I haven't had any difficulty transitioning target to target (and we transition a bunch at our matches) so I guess to me, the pan is a solution to a problem I don't have, and one more point to loosen up. But I like tight, firm legs.....
As I mentioned, my experience is pre-V8, so if and when I play with a V8 all that may change.
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
Well, i think the harris' has tighter firmer legs compared to the Atlas. Its either folded or its not.
The atlas has a little more play, but i still prefer it
Well, i think the harris' has tighter firmer legs compared to the Atlas. Its either folded or its not.
The atlas has a little more play, but i still prefer it
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good point Carter! so I could save the money from getting two and buy rails and install them on both rifles-still pretty much a wash.
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Yeah, there is an up-front investment, but depending on how many rifles you have, you can end up saving money. I actually have 3 rifles with Anschutz rails, so my adapters run me $30 X 3 = $90. The Harris is about $160 with quick detach, so I am looking at $250 to run a detachable Harris on each. That is about what 3 Harrises would cost, but I have the flexibility to buy a different bipod and run it on whatever I want.
I have 3 bipods: The BRS Harris, the long Harris (I forget the designation), and the Atlas. The long Harris is great for improvised positions when I am hunting and need to get over some brush, but I can always throw on the Atlas for shooting off the hood of a truck or in the prone. The QD makes for a really fast changeover, which is kind of nice, but depending on what kind of shooting you are doing, all that flexibility might no be necessary.
I actually didn't do this on purpose. I had to change over mounts for the Atlas and didn't like the idea of putting two studs on all my rifles. The pic rail seemed to make more sense. Then I went ahead and bought a DLOC so that I could throw the Harris in the mix. It turned out to be a pretty good setup... but yeah, it ended up not saving any money at all.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good point Carter! so I could save the money from getting two and buy rails and install them on both rifles-still pretty much a wash.
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Yeah, there is an up-front investment, but depending on how many rifles you have, you can end up saving money. I actually have 3 rifles with Anschutz rails, so my adapters run me $30 X 3 = $90. The Harris is about $160 with quick detach, so I am looking at $250 to run a detachable Harris on each. That is about what 3 Harrises would cost, but I have the flexibility to buy a different bipod and run it on whatever I want.
I have 3 bipods: The BRS Harris, the long Harris (I forget the designation), and the Atlas. The long Harris is great for improvised positions when I am hunting and need to get over some brush, but I can always throw on the Atlas for shooting off the hood of a truck or in the prone. The QD makes for a really fast changeover, which is kind of nice, but depending on what kind of shooting you are doing, all that flexibility might no be necessary.
I actually didn't do this on purpose. I had to change over mounts for the Atlas and didn't like the idea of putting two studs on all my rifles. The pic rail seemed to make more sense. Then I went ahead and bought a DLOC so that I could throw the Harris in the mix. It turned out to be a pretty good setup... but yeah, it ended up not saving any money at all.
Re: Harris/Phoenix Tac. bipod vs Atlas Bt10
Gentlemen, Thanks for the feedback and insight on the bipods I think I'm going to give the Atlas a try. Seems to be the best bang for the buck so far.
Gentlemen, Thanks for the feedback and insight on the bipods I think I'm going to give the Atlas a try. Seems to be the best bang for the buck so far.
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