Any experience with these to sight in or shoot ladders?
What is the most accurate way to use Thea types of rests? Do you strap the gun down?
What is the most accurate way to use Thea types of rests? Do you strap the gun down?
Yea I usually shoot off bipod I was just going to use it for load development and sighting in.
Don't waste the ammo.I was just going to use it for load development and sighting in.
I've seen one (It was at the range during hunting season). It comes in the trunk of a car....and is used by people who don't know how to shoot a rifle. It's a metal contraption that comes with screws and pins and straps and things. You can strap the gun down and throw bags of shot at it until the rifle almost disappears.��
If you intend to always shoot the rifle while it is mounted in a contraption, then there's no reason not to do your load development with the rifle mounted in that contraption.Graham and MMa Junkie,
I agree. i think some do use it as a means of geting around poor form, i wish there was one i could borrow because i wouldnt use it but maybe once per rifle. You will shoot how you practice, and hence other than sighting in and load development i wouldn't use it.
Graham, why is it a waste of ammo? will it skew the ladder test or ocw tests? i would think taking the shooter out of the equation would yield a more reliable result for load development?
oh c'mon now. Folks have been using rests of various types for years to remove the shooter variable when developing a load or dialing in a newly mounted scope, myself included. Once I have the best load, the bench-rest/lead sled/whatever is out of the equation.If you intend to always shoot the rifle while it is mounted in a contraption, then there's no reason not to do your load development with the rifle mounted in that contraption.
I take your point about it removing the human element. With a 35lb heavy Benchrest rifle that's probably an ideal way to develop a load. But do you want to remove the shooter from your rifle and replace it with a mechanical device that affects the recoil and harmonics differently?oh c'mon now. Folks have been using rests of various types for years to remove the shooter variable when developing a load or dialing in a newly mounted scope, myself included. Once I have the best load, the bench-rest/lead sled/whatever is out of the equation.
I take your point about it removing the human element. With a 35lb heavy Benchrest rifle that's probably an ideal way to develop a load. But do you want to remove the shooter from your rifle and replace it with a mechanical device that affects the recoil and harmonics differently?
First, it's not a real post count. That number is just there as a distraction for people who like to make criticisms based on other peoples' post counts. It's the Internet equivalent of a shiny object.Some times I wonder if you just post to pad your post count. Thats the biggest load of shit I've read in a long time. The barrel never knows its in a sled vs a bipod or whatever else. They work just fine, I've got one as well but I never use it. It worked fine when I did though I just prefer a bipod or front bag with a quality rear bag now.
First, it's not a real post count. That number is just there as a distraction for people who like to make criticisms based on other peoples' post counts. It's the Internet equivalent of a shiny object.
Second, I never claimed that the barrel knows anything at all.
Third, have a look at a previous thread about led sleds and watch the effect that you claim doesn't exist.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...recoil-affect-accuracy-lead-sled-vs-bags.html
so do you use a sled when shooting in Haiti?Using a sled or whatever is like using a condom.
Some good words posted, and some dogmatic stuff.
Again, I tend to use the sled on rifles that don't and won't have a bipod attached. I still cozy my shoulder up against the back of the stock rest....if that is significant enough of a difference from a prone/seated/off-hand shooting position to affect barrel harmonics and make me miss a trophy buck I haven't noticed.
I am careful with that front strap on the sled however...in fact I usually just leave it loose as I think cinching it down into direct contact with a barrel would be bad (maybe ok for an AR with a free-floated handguard). I don't feel the use of sled has biased any of my OCW load developments.
If my rifle has a bipod, then I use a rear bag or the monopod and "train the way I fight."
so do you use a sled when shooting in Haiti?
The distances are fairly short. Or so I'm told.If ever in that shithole, I'll stay zipped.
good muzzle disciplineIf ever in that shithole, I'll stay zipped.
First, it's not a real post count. That number is just there as a distraction for people who like to make criticisms based on other peoples' post counts. It's the Internet equivalent of a shiny object.
Second, I never claimed that the barrel knows anything at all.
Third, have a look at a previous thread about led sleds and watch the effect that you claim doesn't exist.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...recoil-affect-accuracy-lead-sled-vs-bags.html
The value of marketing: Can we get people to buy a gizmo that is comprised partly of a front rest, before and until they figure out the need to get rid of the extra garbage so that they can use it as a front rest?!The Lead Sled FCX is a good one to have.
Eliminate your deficiencies when sighting the rifle in, then unscrew the rear section and use it as a sandbag of sorts in front.
Have a look at the slow motion videos of rifles hooked-up to these things. Pay attention to the barrel whip and rifle movement. Then tell me that anyone is achieving anything close to their claimed 'zero'.
yep, was similarly thankful for that lead sled gift when developing a load for 458 Socom.i was grateful for having one of these was when having scope/mounting issues on an H&R 12 gauge. Putting a couple boxes through one of those isn't exactly fun and the lead sled does sop up some of the recoil.