Rifle Scopes help chosing optics

[42769vette]

here is what im wanting. i cant find a scope that is made to fit my bill. lets say price limit of 3000.00 this will be on 260 set up for f-class, tactical comp, and hunting.

i want zoom up to 30 or greater
tactical turrents
moa adjustments
prefer ffp but can live without it

i know folks are going to say i only need 10x for 1000 yds, but i want to zoom in and aim at a fly if need be.
ranging recticle (not mils)

i believe the nf nsx 12-42 is my only option but its not ffp

 

[Rob01]

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So you want MOA adjustments and an MOA reticle and power over 30x then you're pretty much limited to the NF scopes. I would say go 8-32x as 12x low side is pretty high for comps and hunting. Also look at how much internal MOA of adjustment you have.

 

[42769vette]

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i saw that they had 42 min elevation. i have a 20 moa uso base that sould get me around 1400yds. im really wanting to dial elevation and hold wind.

 

[Rob01]

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That's if you are perfectly centered when zeroing. Use any windage to zero and you can cut that number down drastically.

 

[42769vette]

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are there better options. i really dont want to crank down the power. im wierd it drices me nuts not having the cross hairs in the dead center of the bull

 

[Rob01]

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How far have you shot out to before and with what optics? Just trying to get a grasp on your experience. Alot of people think they need alot more magnification than they actually do.

 

[42769vette]

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my experiance is basically none. ive shot out to 600 with a 20x supersniper. im about to upgrade and ill only have the money to buy a scope like this once so i want to get a scope that will serve me well for a long time and on multiple rifles as years go by.

what would you folks say to a ior 9-36x56. it has 65 min adjustment.

ior 9-36x56
Magnification 9-36x
Objective diameter 56mm
Field of view at 100 yards 14-4 feet
Exit pupil diameter 6.2-1.5mm
Eye relief 3.50 inches
Diopter adjustment -4 to +4 dpt.
Click adjustment 1/4 min.
Adjustment range 65 MOA
Tube diameter 35mm
Length 16.5 inches
Weight 35 oz

 

[Rob01]

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I'd say I saw one broken brand new out of the box this past weekend. Wouldn't be my choice. Also it has a mil reticle which you say you don't want.

I would recommend looking at a scope in the 5-25x range for what you want to do. A quality scope with 25x will let you see very well to 1000+. With what you want in the scope a NF 5.5-22x50 or 56 would work well. If you wanted mil and FFP I would say find an S&B 5-25x56 like this although this one is sold
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1621087

 

[42769vette]

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thanks for all the help rob. it hard to wade through all this stuff when you have never seen the scopes in real life or looked through them.

 

[Rob01]

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Glad to help. The MOA knobs and reticle make it tough and cuts down on your options. You ever think about going mil/mil? Opens up more options and is as easy to use as MOA if not easier once you use it.

 

[42769vette]

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ive always used moa. that said im no moron and am capable of learning new systems. moa is just so simple to me. divide by 100 and your there (shooters moa not actual)i have read alot of mil info but not enough to be fluent. bottom line for me is it really SHOULDN'T matter what system i go with i will take the time to learn to use it.

if i was open to a mil system what would be your recomendation

 

[Rob01]

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The S&B 5-25x56 in mil/mil. Super clear glass, tracks perfectly, FFP and has alot of elevation. Put a P4Fine reticle in it and it will work excellent.

Mil/mil isn't needed but it does open up more scopes. Lots of guys run MOA/MOA. Just asking as I wasn't sure it was an option. I switched over to mil/mil about 5 years ago and haven't looked back. More important that your knobs and reticle match than what graduations they are in though so go with what's comfortable.

 

[brand692]

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I agree with Rob. The S&B is hard to beat, but it doesn't meet your 30x magnification, unless you get the 12-50x.

One other scope that you don't see on this forum much is the March. Originally designed as "the end all be all" of BR optics, they now have a tactical offering. They make some spectacular optics. They do not have a POI shift at any point on the magnification range. I am under the impression that they only have MOA turrets. Google March Scopes and it will be the first one to pop up.

I've never owned a March, but have shot one. Let me put it this way, they are so clear, that I could make out a 6mm hole at 600 yards. Of course, there was no mirage and that ALWAYS plays a factor later in the day when it starts to heat up.

 

[42769vette]

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what do you folks think about the s&b 12.5-50x56 anyone seen one?

 

[brand692]

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I've never seen one, but when contemplating buying a March 10-60x52, I found this on 6mmbr.com:

S&B 12-50 vs March 10-60

 

[42769vette]

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thanks for the link

 

[brand692]

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BTW, there was an individual selling one in the classifieds about two or three weeks ago. If you search for it, you might be able to PM him and ask him some specifics. I apologize, I don't remember the UN of the individual who was selling it.

 

[cobaltbomb]

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if you think in inches/yards go moa, if you think in meters go mil

besides that i would recommend using 5-25 magnification
a 25 magnification on a target 1k yards away is like shooting at something as close as 25 yards with open sights,so plenty of magnification unless you plan on hitting an ant

a high magnification wont make you less shaky

 

[Lindy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you think in inches/yards go moa, if you think in meters go mil</div></div>

Nonsense.

<begin standard screed>

There is nothing "metric" about mils.

Both milliradians and MOA are measurements of angle which have <span style="font-weight: bold">nothing</span> whatsoever to do with any system of linear measure.

There are two times Pi radians in a circle, and a milliradian is simply one-thousands of a radian.
One milliradian is an angle which subtends an arc whose length is 1/1000th of the distance from the vertex.

In other words, one milliradian subtends an arc whose length is:
1 yard at 1000 yards.
1 meter at 1000 meters.
1 mile at 1000 miles.
1 league at 1000 leagues.
1 fathom at 1000 fathoms.
1 inch at 1000 inches.
1 foot at 1000 feet.
1 lightyear at 1000 lightyears.
1 attoparsec at 1000 attoparsecs.
3.6 inches at 3600 inches (100 yards).

It has nothing to do with any English or Metric system of linear measure.

</ standard screed>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a 25 magnification on a target 1k yards away is like shooting at something as close as 25 yards with open sights...</div></div>

Ummm, bad math. One thousand divided by 25 is 40, not 25. However, that comparison ignores factors like dust and other particles in the air as well as mirage, so the comparison is not apt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a high magnification wont make you less shaky</div></div>

Agreed. In fact, a high magnification will, well, <span style="font-style: italic">magnify</span> whatever level of <span style="font-style: italic">un</span>steadiness that one exhibits.

 

[dar1246]

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How hard is it to switch from moa to mil as far as knowing how much to adjust?

 

[Rob01]

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Not hard at all. If you have MOA data already you just divide it by 3.44 and you will have the mil adjustment to dial in. If you don't then just run your ballistic program in mils and rock on. Simple.

And I second what Lindy said.

 

[dar1246]

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Thanks Rob01

 

[42769vette]

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just a update ive decided to go with the nf 12-42 br scope not the nsx. nf emailed me a youtube video that showed the diffrences and the only option that the nsx has that i really care about is external turrets.

i decided that for what i do with this gun ffp is not a must. i will be shooting known distance.

my only issue is the 45 min of elevation. im going to get one with the npr1. that should give me almost extra 10 minutes of hold over on 42x (44 x would be exactly 5 min)

thanks for all the folks here that helped walk me through this. now all thats left is waiting a couple months until i can afford one. knowing my luck somone will come out with a new scope between now and then that i have to re evaluate. but then atleast ill have it down to 2 scopes

 

[Rob01]

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Might want to rethink that as it only has 40 MOA total of internal elevation. Also not the best scope for tactical comps or hunting. Start saving and keep looking would be my advice. You would be better served with even the 8-32 although I wouldn't choose that either. The 5.5-22 NSX would be perfect for what you said you wanted to do. Keep an eye in the for sale sections and you can find some deals.

 

[steve123]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 42769vette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my experiance is basically none. ive shot out to 600 with a 20x supersniper. im about to upgrade and ill only have the money to buy a scope like this once so i want to get a scope that will serve me well for a long time and on multiple rifles as years go by.

what would you folks say to a ior 9-36x56. it has 65 min adjustment.

ior 9-36x56
Magnification 9-36x
Objective diameter 56mm
Field of view at 100 yards 14-4 feet
Exit pupil diameter 6.2-1.5mm
Eye relief 3.50 inches
Diopter adjustment -4 to +4 dpt.
Click adjustment 1/4 min.
Adjustment range 65 MOA
Tube diameter 35mm
Length 16.5 inches
Weight 35 oz
</div></div>

A fiend of mine had to send this particular IOR back a couple times.IMO try something else.

You might be able to find a used S$B SFP 12.5-50 for $3000.There's the NF's,Sightrons new 10-50x,March scopes...only 5 year warranty though.

OOPs...Looks like you already decided.

Steve

 

[42769vette]

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it didn't take reading many reviews to see ior was not what i want