Rifle Scopes Help with new nightforce

[Hemi82]

Well after months of online searching i finally found a Nightforce at a good price and plan on putting it on a 260 I am having built. Only problem is it is the MLR reticle with the mill turrets. It was at a really good price so I figured I could always figure the mils thing out later so went ahead and got her. I have read how to use the mildots reticules and turrets when it applies to MOA but have not a clue how to do the mil thing.
I know the MOA system pretty well I just have not found a balistic calculator that will do it in mils to calculate holdover and wind drift. I know there are millions of threads on using the mildots but does anyone have any place for me to start reading on how to use the Mil Mil setup from the start without converting everything from MOA to Mil.

 

[JRose]

Re: Help with new nightforce

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.0.cgi

 

[427Cobra]

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I think Mil/Mil is a easier system, don't get your head all bent out of shape, you'll be fine, I'm going to be making the change from MOA to all Mils shortly and I'm sleeping harder than a baby

 

[shooting4life]

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I am just now making the switch from moa to mils. I have found that once you get past thinking about the actual distance you want to move the reticule (move reticule 3 inches right) to using mils as your only unit of measure (move reticule .8 mils right) it becomes much easier. I hope this makes sense and helps.
Jordan

 

[Wil]

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you're gonna love the mil/mil


a mil is a mil.... regardless of distance (as well as any portion thereof).

example:
3 mils is 3mils regardless if it is 400yds, 217 yds, 944yds, etc..etc.

you dial in your dope for 500yds: 2.9mils

you hit is slightly left... use the MLR to see how far... either hold POA & measure to POI or vice versa.

let's say it was really windy & your MLR shows you POI .5mils from POA. dial in .5mils

shoot... hit

shoot... hit


shoot...hit



the same would apply at ANY distance! There is no converting, there is no math to do.

now, if you are wanting an easy way to convert your initial dope over to mil from MOA... just plug in your velocity and parameters into JBM listed above and tell it to compute both Mil and MOA.

 

[ykrvak]

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What Wil said. Don't get intimidated by something new. I switched to mils a couple years ago and now the only rifle that has a moa adj optic is my .22. Have fun with your new toys.

 

[rksimple]

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If its a 3.5-15x50, I have a NPR1/MOA knobs I'll trade you for it.

Otherwise, learning mils isn't hard. Its just a number.

 

[PSYOPS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you're gonna love the mil/mil


a mil is a mil.... regardless of distance (as well as any portion thereof).

example:
3 mils is 3mils regardless if it is 400yds, 217 yds, 944yds, etc..etc.

you dial in your dope for 500yds: 2.9mils

you hit is slightly left... use the MLR to see how far... either hold POA & measure to POI or vice versa.

let's say it was really windy & your MLR shows you POI .5mils from POA. dial in .5mils

shoot... hit

shoot... hit


shoot...hit



the same would apply at ANY distance! There is no converting, there is no math to do.

now, if you are wanting an easy way to convert your initial dope over to mil from MOA... just plug in your velocity and parameters into JBM listed above and tell it to compute both Mil and MOA.


</div></div>


Well said!

I get it.

 

[mdmp5]

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For spotting the POI and then adjusting, it is cake. But if you are having a hard time grasping the adjustment needed for a calculated distance, it is not much different than adjusting in MOA.

For example, you ranged a target (disregard the size) to be 500 yards away. You are shooting a .308, 175 gr SMK, and the bullet drop for 500 yards is, say 55 inches. 55 inches at 500 yards in MOA is:

(55/5) / 1.047 = 10.5 MOA; in other words, 10.5 MOA of adjustment will move the point of impact up 11 inches at 100 yards, or 55 inches at 500 yards.

To find the adjustment needed in Mils:

55 / (3.6 * 5) = 3.05 Mils

I provided the calculations above without units because equations get jumbled and are not easy to read in this typing format.

 

[Opticsspecialist]

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What nightforce are you looking at?

 

[CSTactical]

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I personally like MIL on MIL I find it easer than MOA. We sale a lot of Nightforce scope. Nightforce is one of the best dollar value scope on the market.

 

[PittsDriver]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I personally like MIL on MIL I find it easer than MOA. We sale a lot of Nightforce scope. Nightforce is one of the best dollar value scope on the market. </div></div>

Cecil, You recommended a MIL/MIL for the scope I bought from you earlier this year. Great recommendation.

Hemi82, Wil is right. You'll love MIL/MIL but if it's a 5.5-22x56 NXS and your dead set on a 5.5-22x56 NXS in MILDOT/MOA let me know by PM. I'd swap scopes depending on condition.

 

[Opticsspecialist]

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I agree with cstactical, nightforce is a great value, you'll pay twice as much for the same features

 

[Hemi82]

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Hey thanks for the responses everyone. As for all of the trades, I do plan on keeping this as long as I can get a grasp on the mil/mil. After everyones post its making a lot more sense and I think I will be fine with it and probably like it. If I do decide I want to trade for an MOA/MOA setup I will probably throw it up in the WTT forum.
The scope is the 5.5-22 NXS MLR Milrad that is found new in the box on gunbroker from Eurooptic. I will not be gettting my rifle for a little whie so I have got some time over this winter to look over all the mil calculations.
Also Im sure someone will ask since I never stated what the rifle is. It wil be a .260 Rem on a Surgeon RSR action, Manners GAT Stock, shilen 26 inch barrel, jewell trigger and now topped off with a Nightforce NXS. All work being done by Larry Mcelroy from Excorio Precision.

 

[mavrick10_2000]

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Like Wil said above...don't over think it.

I've switched 2 scopes over to Mil/Mil and it's much easier for me. I'll be switching the scopes on most of my other rifles as well.

 

[harrisjl]

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Same, I always had MOA scopes until I picked up a NF 5-22 with a mildot, I figured since the reticle was in mils it made sense for the adjustment to be in mils.

As mentioned you just have to get it in your head that the clicks are 1/10th of a mil instead of what that translates to in inches. Like Wednesday when I remounted my scope and then rezeroed, the group was halfway between the crosshair and the first dot, I didnt figure out what that is in inches on the target then translate that back to mils, I came up 5 clicks and went on.

Elevation hold is fairly easy my range card show for the class I went to shows the difference between 400 and 500 is .7 mills for my partner (1 mil for me), so for you put the target between the first .5mil mark and the first mil (.75mil) and send it.

Wind? yes you will have to figure out what the hold is in mils and put that on a card for reference until you remember it.

It also helps if you do many of the shooting schools since that is what most people use. I saw firsthand when I went to one in october how much work it is to translate mils to inches to mils (other shooter/spotter pairs had mil/MOA scopes).

My next scope will be a NF MLR

 

[blklabs]

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I am new to mil/mil as well. When I was getting my scope on the paper at 25 yards it went like this.

1st shot was 6mils left and 6 mils low. I dialed in the adjustment and the 2nd shot was a bullsye. I moved to 100 yards and was a little low. Dialed in the adjustment and you guessed it bullseye.

It has been incredibly easy to work with so far. I hope to put it through the paces after deer season ......

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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I just got KAC Bulletflight on the iPhone and it does MILs as well as MOA, I think it's easy to use so look into if You have an iPhone of iTouch. But as mentioned earlier JBM works as well. For the Ballistics programs.