I was just browsing their website looking for in stock powder at a store I'll be driving by this weekend that I don't find myself in very often. It looks like all Hodgdon powders just got a ~$10 bump in price for the one pounders.
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Crazy that it now cost double from what it was pre 2020. I know inflation has things screwed up but surely we have got caught up by now with the lack of supplies. Part of me feels companies are still trying to cash in. Maybe I’m wrong but it sure seems that way. Powder, primers, bullets and ammo are still crazy. There are other places that are cheaper.
Record corporate profits for the last 4 years/during the pandemic.
I , as I'm sure many of you have gotten Email's or mailed flyers ,stating prices are increasing by such and such a date .
WTF : Prices aren't already exorbitant enough ??. I'm going to the dark side and say something far more sinister is at work ,other than corporate profits . Gov. directives coupled with Market MONOPOLY , just look at WHO's controlling the lions share !!!.
WTF : Prices aren't already exorbitant enough ??. I'm going to the dark side and say something far more sinister is at work ,other than corporate profits . Gov. directives coupled with Market MONOPOLY , just look at WHO's controlling the lions share !!!.
Powder has not changed drastically over the past 100 years.
What changed ?
The purchasing power of your USD's.
Direct your complaints about the reason's the USD has lost it's purchasing power to your Congressman..
What changed ?
The purchasing power of your USD's.
Direct your complaints about the reason's the USD has lost it's purchasing power to your Congressman..
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I am amazed at the average 8 lbs. of powder now going for mid$300-mid$400. I just finished 8lbs. of H4350 that was $159.00
I purchased multiple 8 lb. lots of various IMR ,VV, Hodgdon powders averaging $228.00 a jug , Not 6 months back .
I DON'T purchase from normal retailer outfits ,rather wholesalers . Single lb. harder to find powders ran $32.00- 38.00 which is outrageous , IMO .
With exception of Winchester powder by /General Dynamics and a couple of Hodgdon's ball powders ,the remainder of smokeless powders are manufactured in various other Countries . Yes there's a few conflict's around the globe ,demand is UP but commercial and Bulk Military shouldn't be confused as they're NOT the same . It would be based upon World economic criteria ,more than conflicts . Shipping has become RIDICULOUS WORLD WIDE .
I DON'T purchase from normal retailer outfits ,rather wholesalers . Single lb. harder to find powders ran $32.00- 38.00 which is outrageous , IMO .
With exception of Winchester powder by /General Dynamics and a couple of Hodgdon's ball powders ,the remainder of smokeless powders are manufactured in various other Countries . Yes there's a few conflict's around the globe ,demand is UP but commercial and Bulk Military shouldn't be confused as they're NOT the same . It would be based upon World economic criteria ,more than conflicts . Shipping has become RIDICULOUS WORLD WIDE .
they are all robbing us so bad. I wish a company could give us an exact breakdown in their costs and show us how it is possible to have double the price from pre covid. But of course it will never happen because there is no way their cost have doubled. The prices of the raw materials show this.
Don't Complain about this, these are cheap prices compared to what's to coming. Hyperinflation
Get a Republican president and the shelves will be full and prices will stabilize. Remember when DRT was elected? once in office it seemed the shelves were full at every LGS.
I do wonder every time this shit happens, how much is it because people buy/hoard shit they don’t use.
I think that, while this does occur, many more buy it because they’ve seen the increases and know that rarely do powder prices go down and they want to protect their shooting budget.
Not everybody buys when they suddenly realize that they are almost out.
Personally guilty of hording powder and primers . Without them you've got an expensive club at best .
Seriously having batched powder for old Hercules both industrial and commercial ,it's NOT all that costly to manufacture .
What's costly is dealing with our Nazi Gov. and their red tape regulations and environmentally Ignorant consultants . Fyi : Those that call for climate and impact reports ,ALWAYS get what WE PAY FOR !. Yeah just stop and think about that .
Stop and consider just " HOW MANY THINGS" the good ole US of A has Outsourced over the past #4 decades . Staggering when one stops and considers the implications too OUR Country's economic viability !.
I don’t understand how buying powder right now is protecting your shooting budget. If anything it’s hurting it. The only people who should be buying right now are dumbasses like myself that have been putting off getting into reloading for over a decade.
Inflation was caused by cost of fuel skyrocketing. Now that fuel rices have dropped back to 2019 levels no excuse other than price fixing.
This is why I spent over 3K on powder and primers in 2019 it would be about 7k now to get what I have.
This is why I spent over 3K on powder and primers in 2019 it would be about 7k now to get what I have.
DON'T bank on that . I remember what people said who imparted those very words in the beginning of the plandemic .
They lived to eat them . A case in point ; I purchased a few cases of 9mm Federal , Fiocchi and Sellier & Bellot 1K round 124 gr. $150-160.00 Delivered to My home in Jan. 2020 . I had primers and cases up the wazoo ,along with powder but could I build them and replace MY components for that cost . NO !. So it made sense to ME purchase them as they were Cheap . Now cost is + 75% or more .
Supply and demand exert pressure on the market but so does Monopolizing the Market like Vista has !.
It will if people who don’t NEED to buy it keep buying it.
Good point. There should be controls in place to make sure that people demonstrate need before they can buy something. Does that work for you? Venezuela has a spot for you there.
Funny that a governmental solution is the first thing that came to your mind.
I’m talking about the people sitting on a mountain of powder and primers that haven’t produced a cartridge in years that can’t help themselves and keep buying at today’s prices. It would be nice if they relaxed their reloading spending habits.
And I’m saying that those are not the majority of purchases being made. As I said, those people do exist but are not the majority of purchasers. There are market forces driving the costs of components. Not the least of which are import costs and regulations.
Don’t underestimate the extent to which your government influences these costs.
ETA: being from California, I would think that you’d understand this. Your state influences costs and policies more than most.
Not unlike the stock market ,One Must anticipate movement within the market place . Buy Buy Buy when prices are reasonable , Don't wait until the demand exceeds supply ,otherwise you're caught with your drawers around your ankles .
Old Geezers like myself who've been at this game nearly #6 decades ,realized long ago buying Non perishable components is MONIES SAVED .
I'm still shooting bullets that I bought purchased in the 70's . Yes I shoot New ones also but they cost a crap load compared to those less expensive ones . I'm still using H870 Powder I bought from Bruce Hodgdon in the 60's ,which came Via the USPS to MY house in a cardboard tube .
Funny I just ran some loads across the LR some months back and less than 25 fps loss average ,according to the Book . Back then we didn't have Chronographs ,so I've NO way of knowing IF MY loads lost anything . For certain accuracy DIDN'T suffer .
Old Geezers like myself who've been at this game nearly #6 decades ,realized long ago buying Non perishable components is MONIES SAVED .
I'm still shooting bullets that I bought purchased in the 70's . Yes I shoot New ones also but they cost a crap load compared to those less expensive ones . I'm still using H870 Powder I bought from Bruce Hodgdon in the 60's ,which came Via the USPS to MY house in a cardboard tube .
Funny I just ran some loads across the LR some months back and less than 25 fps loss average ,according to the Book . Back then we didn't have Chronographs ,so I've NO way of knowing IF MY loads lost anything . For certain accuracy DIDN'T suffer .
Can you point out what costs involved to make components have gone up post WuFlu?
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You have your finger on powder component costs?
I am sitting on piles and piles . I am old enough to know I can't use it all in my lifetime . I still don't give a shit what anybody thinks , I will buy all I want . Am I to sit back and let you tell me it's your turn ? I produce ammo every single day, , do you ?
Huh??
Primers were 0.03 before now they are 0.10 or more!
AR-Comp has about doubled in price!
To name a couple
What else has more than 2x’ed in cost? Cause it sure isn’t labor or fuel.
The stuff used to make the components. Not talking about about the stuff we are getting fleeced on.
Why do you all keep arguing about this stupid shit? Its not like pounding the key board will cause prices to magically drop.
Buy whatever you can afford NOW...purchase from other folks locally to save on hazmat, shipping and sales tax. Be willing to drive a little bit for the right deal...whatever it is you're paying today for shit, chances are it will look like a deal two-three or more years from now...Stock up...prices are only headed one way...
Buy whatever you can afford NOW...purchase from other folks locally to save on hazmat, shipping and sales tax. Be willing to drive a little bit for the right deal...whatever it is you're paying today for shit, chances are it will look like a deal two-three or more years from now...Stock up...prices are only headed one way...
@Haney can you write me into your will to receive all your reloading supplies?
I’m not telling anyone what to do. I’m just pointing out a reason why prices cannot go down, and that is artificial demand. They’ve raised their prices because they see people will always buy, even if it isn’t needed.
Define need for us, the unwashed. At what point would you say a person “needs” to order, or should be “encouraged” to order?
Your argument is based on a false premise, as we’ve tried to point out. It’s also always the exact argument used by socialists to try and keep products on the shelf to reduce “need” because they’ve screwed up production.
There's no such thing as 'artificial' demand...There's just 'demand'....
Lots of folks out there who didn't learn their lesson from the Obama years, slacked off their supply chain management between 2016-2019 when getting was good....They've been appearing in threads just like this all across the net, banging away at the keyboard with their lamentations...
When someone is admitting they have enough to outlast their lifetime, they no longer need to keep buying.
Trump slump, while an expected part of the cyclic shooting/hunting/firearms economy, was simply massive in price adjustment to pre-Obama era. I can’t say I know much about reloading costs in the pre-2008 world, but ammo cost is easy to track and anyone with a brain stem should have looked at the price cratering and thought “this is as good as it’s ever going to get after Obama.” I obviously didn’t invest in reloading then, but in retrospect it seems like an abnormally large “mean reversion” event.
Primers were $30-$40 per brick for most SRPs, LRPS and LRMPs....1 lb jugs of most of the popular rifle powders were selling for between $25-$30; large jugs weren't too much different then they have been lately, IIRC....I bought most of my stock that I currently have between 2010 and 2019, much of it from private parties in large quantities....I'd say 90% of all HAZAMT stuff was bought from individuals local or regional to me during that time period, while the other 10% was bought locally at retailers like Sportsman's Warehouse.
Its supply chain management 101 - buy low and either retain or sell any excess high. Most folks are actually aware of this, in that they have a basic understanding of economics but too many of them failed to prioritize their dollars accordingly during those Trump years...Many are praying for a repeat of 2016 but some of us know better; Demoshits won't make the same mistake twice as we have already seen in 2020...
Absolutely. The doomer in me says no more Republican presidents for a meaningful time, court packing, and objectively bad restrictions are all we have to look forward to.
It does seem these prices are unsustainable, but perhaps people simply aren’t hurting enough to stop buying powder and primers at these costs. What I’ve amassed is all I’m going to amass for the foreseeable future.
I think it's companies charging more and more and not necessarily because costs have gone up that much. Its been proven that those in the shooting community are more paranoid than most and are willing to pay whatever prices they want to charge because it may not be available later. Seems like it's leveling off lately but I don't expect it to go down anytime soon.
Don't base your buying models on this false premise...Assume folks will buy more than <you think> they need on a BAU basis because the smart ones always will.
Contingency planning....
I don't think they've reached the point of unsustainability just yet...If anything, they will continue to rise, perhaps stratospherically if Demoshits sweep later this year, in response to renewed panic-driven demand. That demand won't likely be met by suppliers so more massive shortages will take place. This will push prices even higher on the secondary market where we will see a return of the $1600 8-lb Varget or H4350 and $500.00+ for a brick of primers, which folks were paying on GB only a few years ago..Repubs have the House by a razor thin margin, which may or may not hold...
A lot more folks are going to be caught flat-footed (again).
I’m not basing my purchasing habits on others. I never have. But my purchasing habits are affected by others. I wish I could buy large rifle magnum primers, but even at their current “normal” pricing, they don’t exist.
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