Home Invasion

[Jthoss0837]

Just listened to a 911 call of a woman that was in her home, and some drunk broke in, after 10 minutes of banging on the back door.
Luckily she had a gun, a clear head, and the will to use it, Because it took the police 23 minutes to get there. She shot the man, dead.

Anyways, we had someone try to break into our house. Which is dumb in two obvious reasons.
1. We have Security system signs all over the place.
2. We have a Beware of Dog sign, with a dog....
3. (Unknown to an intruder) Theres a shotgun in 3 corners of the house. And my pistol at my bedside.

Luckily the alarm scared the would be intruder away, but it took the police 45 minutes to get to our house. We even called 911 again asking if they were fucking coming.
I wouldnt have a problem defending my family and dropping someone that is going to potentially hurt them. And yes in the state of south carolina its legal to use lethal force on someone breaking into your car, or your home.
Although i say i could do it it wouldnt be an easy task to take someones life, but again, if someone broke in, they definately broke into the wrong house.

Also, this isnt the 1st time the police failed to arrive in a timely manner.
We have an officer that lives down the road, whom we now rely on more than our local PD.
It takes me 10 minutes to get to the police department from my house. We live in the country, with no suburbs or neighborhoods around. The 1st time we called about gunshots around our shed. It took them over 30 minutes to arrive. After calling them, we find out they went to the wrong address, claiming there are similar addresses. Upon the second time they got the address wrong again.

As for our house, there was no damage to our property, or anything, just some wet shoe prints on the back porch

Its scary to think that when seconds count, the police arent minutes away, they're nearly an hour away. In the event that someone has a gun, and is trying to break in, We now have to rely solely on instinctive reaction, and possible deadly force.

My little rant about that, Id like to hear if anyone else has, or has had this problem. And are you prepared for a home invasion? It sounds a bit ridiculous to some, but in my eyes its just another precaution to some of the fucked up, psychotic ordeals that happen everyday.

"It also appears that the elderly are the most frequent victims in this type of crime as compared to other kinds of robberies. Victims aged 60 or over made up 17% of home invasion victims, whereas that same group made up only 6% of other kinds of robberies. In the survey it was also reported that in 68% of the cases, the victim and accused were strangers, 21% of the time they were casual acquaintances, and 11% of the time they were relatives, friends, or had some type of business relationship." Cant find the statistics for the number of home invasion annually, oh well

 

[Slowstang]

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I just posted my recent, well only encounter with something like this. I live right outside of city limits, less than two min. There were shots fired outside of my house and because we live outside of city limits the pd didn't respond but the sheriffs did. they arrived 30 min. later and of course everyone that was around for the shooting left.

 

[1911fan]

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We had a home invasion about a mile away from me last week. Homeowner hears somebody banging on the door after 10pm, so he gets his pistol and then <span style="font-style: italic">opens the door</span> whereupon the door bangers banged him over the head with a solid object, took his gun and wallet, and ransacked his house.
Now, I'm not Joe Tacticool, but if you're outside banging on my front door, I'm a few yards away with an 870. Not opening the door and being within striking distance. Anybody else think that was a dumbass move on the homeowner's part?


1911fan

 

[mrmildot]

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I don't know about everywhere else, but around CA budgets are in the toilet and in many cases patrol is suffering. The city I work for is currently running about 30 cops short (roughly 10%) due to not filling retirees positions and hiring freeze. As a result, response times are up.

In the town I live in, for example, if you wake up to find your car has been broken into and call the PD they will tell you to fill out an online report or come to the station and do it... they're not sending a patrol officer to take a property crime report most of the time, and they pretty much cut all the community service officers who may have done that in the past.


The police never have and never will be able get there in time to save your ass from a split second violent encounter, so be prepared to save your own.

 

[Agent Law]

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I don't know how police response is in my area (luckily, I've never had to test it in the ~20 years I've lived here); it's a very quiet suburb, and the problems in the city and outlying extremes haven't bled in. They probably won't, either, given just how expensive it is to live here nowadays. That's to say I'm not going to get too paranoid about someone trying to break in (while people are in the house).

Am I prepared for a home invasion? I suppose in the eyes of most of the American members here, probably not. The justice system will make short work of me because of the firearms storage laws if I keep a loaded firearm in the house, plus there is no such thing as 'castle doctrine' here.

Not to say I'm completely unarmed, but it's a little hard to use a bow in the dark, and the range of a swinging bass guitar is quite limited.

 

[dbateman]

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you want to no about home invasions move to northern territory australia thow i think its geting pretty bad evry were in australia now
.Dave
oh yeah0 and you arent alowd to defend your self

 

[CoCaDoRi]

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jthoss,

I just moved into this area from out west...

I can tell you this, your town monopolizes the news up here...

the crime down there is off the hook...no way I'd live there if I had a family...

O/C you aren't helping your cause by having loaded weapons around...

 

[dtask]

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A couple things: The OP stated having shotguns around the house.
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*] Secured or unsecured? [*]What if the invader gets his/her/their hands on one of the stashed shotty's?[/list]

As for the homeowner that opened the door = unfortunate and not well thought out. Why open the door at all? The intruder makes your self defense case easier for you when they force entry. If they aren't coming in unless the door is opened for them, they're not any more dangerous than any other solicitor.

Expecting law enforcement to get there and stop the threat is naive at best and lethal at worst. They have to get the info and get there - that takes time and to expect them to do it without incident or delay is holding them to an unrealistic standard.

 

[ArcticLight]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtask</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The intruder makes your self defense case easier for you when they force entry. If they aren't coming in unless the door is opened for them, they're not any more dangerous than any other solicitor.
</div></div>

Well put.

 

[ropewalker1]

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Might have been smarter, to have slipped out the back door and
welcomed His guests, from behind. " Howdy fellas, what's Your
pleasure, Hospital then jail or just jail ".

 

[BlackWhiskey]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr. Mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know about everywhere else, but around CA budgets are in the toilet and in many cases patrol is suffering. The city I work for is currently running about 30 cops short (roughly 10%) due to not filling retirees positions and hiring freeze. As a result, response times are up.
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Private citizens can help solve this problem by killing criminals themselves instead of calling the police. This can also be considered a "green policy" if their bodies are used for compost. Maybe you can get a tax break!

 

[KHOOKS]

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When I was in high school I got a call from a freind that lived about a mile away. He was paniced someone was breaking into his basement door and had woke him up. He called the police and then called me. He told he they where breaking in and I could hear beating and banging over the phone. He siad I got my 16ga loaded and if they come in I going to have to shoot them. I loaded my 12ga and grabed my handgun and headed to his house. I got there to him standing outside the house. He said he yelled at them that he was going to open fire and they run. We waited over a half hour for the police to show up. This house is less than 5 miles from the police department and it took that long. You are for sure on your own.

 

[The Mechanic]

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You really can't expect the police or sheriff deputies to get to any persons home in the time that this event happens. They just can't be everywhere. I understand that. You have to always count on yourself to protect you and your family. In addition you have to make sure the rest of the family can protect themselves too.

Long story made short, when two of my kids were in high school a kid went on a shooting spree. When I heard about it from a cell call I got to the school after only ONE officer had arrived. This was just after another one kid killed two kids and wounded 13 others in the same district.

When it comes down to brass tacks your survival is up to you. Are you prepared?

 

[_DE_]

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Bottom line LEO's wanna go home at night too. Departments are Laying off. Crime is going up. You should prepare your neighborhood, 2 others that live close to you can get there way faster than the cops. Stick together..... I believe this will be the best way to make it out of a ruff situation.

 

[3006spokane]

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Claymores. Set them up before bed, hope you're outside the blast radius and sleep soundly. No excuse of not knowing you just got robbed in the morning.


Everyone's pretty much said it already but I agree, you can't hold the police to a standard that just can't be met. I'd imagine that most home invasions where the homeowner is present happen at night when staffing is reduced so the LEOs have an extended area of patrol. They can't be at everyone's house at a moments notice. At most be prepared to defend your own and at minimum be observant enough to get a detailed description of the person/vehicle as possible to help the LEOs catch the idiot who's lucky to be alive.

 

[jericho]

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Private citizens can help solve this problem by killing criminals themselves instead of calling the police. This can also be considered a "green policy" if their bodies are used for compost. Maybe you can get a tax break!
[/quote]

Cash for clunkers..Yes officer,can I trade this dead crook for a hot blonde with giant boobs?

 

[AZ15]

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I feel sorry for the old ladies and men, or disabled who might not be able to defend themselves in cases like this. My safety is my responsibility and I take that responsibility... but I can't expect some old lady to be able to do that. Unfortunate aspect of life that is here to stay.

 

[3006spokane]

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Then see my post above.

 

[Fredo]

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Maybe the castle doctrine can get in on this.

Intruder enters, you seek a safe retreat from them before using deadly force because you fear for your life. If they have no pulse, you can throw them in the tub, on ice, sell the organs to the hospital for transplants to cover the cost of damage they caused breaking in, keep the rest for emotional distress and new firearms.

Hospitals are trying to pass "presumed consent" law to capitalize on organ transplants. Why should the hospitals be the only ones trying to make money off the confiscated organs of the dead on their premises?

 

[crumpmd]

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It clearly is not the fault of the Police. They are there to enforce the laws and investigate crime. Not to protect you and your property. They will help you if they can, but you cannot count on them to be at your home in five minutes after you call.

Teaching situational awareness to your wife and kids and making them identify threats when you have some semblance of control, for instance in a wally world parking lot, is good training. Your response at home should be overwhelmingly in favor of your survival. There is simply no reason to hold back, shoot until the threat is neutralized, no longer capable of making any response.

My boys are old enough and well trained enough to not touch my pistol when it is not holstered at my side. They won't play with a gun. But too many children lack that control and having multiple iterations of defensive firearms in the house is not a good idea for those households. The one responsible has to have the weapon under their control in that circumstance.

 

[Jthoss0837]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cacodo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jthoss,

I just moved into this area from out west...

I can tell you this, your town monopolizes the news up here...

the crime down there is off the hook...no way I'd live there if I had a family...

O/C you aren't helping your cause by having loaded weapons around...
</div></div>

Only one shotgun is loaded in the house, and its in my parents bedroom. My pistol isnt fully loaded either, just a mag in the gun, ready to go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1911fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We had a home invasion about a mile away from me last week. Homeowner hears somebody banging on the door after 10pm, so he gets his pistol and then <span style="font-style: italic">opens the door</span> whereupon the door bangers banged him over the head with a solid object, took his gun and wallet, and ransacked his house.
Now, I'm not Joe Tacticool, but if you're outside banging on my front door, I'm a few yards away with an 870. Not opening the door and being within striking distance. Anybody else think that was a dumbass move on the homeowner's part?


1911fan </div></div>

Absolutely

 

[Jthoss0837]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It clearly is not the fault of the Police. They are there to enforce the laws and investigate crime. Not to protect you and your property. They will help you if they can, but you cannot count on them to be at your home in five minutes after you call.

Teaching situational awareness to your wife and kids and making them identify threats when you have some semblance of control, for instance in a wally world parking lot, is good training. Your response at home should be overwhelmingly in favor of your survival. There is simply no reason to hold back, shoot until the threat is neutralized, no longer capable of making any response.

My boys are old enough and well trained enough to not touch my pistol when it is not holstered at my side. They won't play with a gun. But too many children lack that control and having multiple iterations of defensive firearms in the house is not a good idea for those households. The one responsible has to have the weapon under their control in that circumstance. </div></div>

To serve and protect. Isnt that what is says?
I realize that. Maybe i should have stated it better. Im not depending on the police or whomever to arrive on scene to dispose of the problem, Im depending on them to save our lives in the event that one of us is hurt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtask</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple things: The OP stated having shotguns around the house.
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*] Secured or unsecured? [*]What if the invader gets his/her/their hands on one of the stashed shotty's?[/list]

As for the homeowner that opened the door = unfortunate and not well thought out. Why open the door at all? The intruder makes your self defense case easier for you when they force entry. If they aren't coming in unless the door is opened for them, they're not any more dangerous than any other solicitor.

Expecting law enforcement to get there and stop the threat is naive at best and lethal at worst. They have to get the info and get there - that takes time and to expect them to do it without incident or delay is holding them to an unrealistic standard. </div></div>

When i say im worried about the time it takes for them to get there, im not talking about stopping the person who gets in. Im mainly talking about the fact that if the intruder is armed, and injures me or anyone in my family, its going to take them 30+ minutes to get there. In the event that someone is shot or stabbed, their life could be hanging on the time of the PD or med's. The hospital is even farther away than the PD.

As for the shotguns, i said earlier, only one is loaded, the other two have been out for a while, unloaded. They are used often for skeet shooting, and were recently used for turkey hunting, Our safe isnt that big, so they cant really fit. If someone got ahold of them (intruder). It would give the jury even more reason to give me or my dad the right to kill him, because he attempted to kill us.

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZ15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I feel sorry for the old ladies and men, or disabled who might not be able to defend themselves in cases like this. My safety is my responsibility and I take that responsibility... but I can't expect some old lady to be able to do that. Unfortunate aspect of life that is here to stay.</div></div>

Old people shoot for the toodles
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[ballsdeep]

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This happened about 20 miles north of me, my In-laws live in Brooks a few miles from where this happened. I bet his doors weren't locked at the time......

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article...uty-in-standoff

 

[Queequeg]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jericho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Private citizens can help solve this problem by killing criminals themselves instead of calling the police. This can also be considered a "green policy" if their bodies are used for compost. Maybe you can get a tax break!
</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline">Cash for clunkers..Yes officer,can I trade this dead crook for a hot blonde with giant boobs?</span> [/quote]

Wouldn't that be "Ass" for Clunkers?

 

[High Binder]

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The vast majority of cases of home invasion or such events are going to be over in seconds. No cop is going to be there when you need them. Cops are there for making reports of what happened and clean up the bodies, its up to you to prevent or stop crimes against you.