Hornady TAP ammo anyone seen this yet? And look at the primer specs. http://www.hornadyle.com/assets/site/files/TAP-65Creedmoor.pdf
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Look at the velocity that proof barrel is getting it done.
I wonder if we could see that in the regular match ammo as well soon...
Nice, I wonder if or when I could get my hands on a sample of the small primer brass ?
Probably would have to buy the ammo for that sample but it's nice that Hornady has been paying attention.
One of the next questions up I'm sure will be what size flash hole did they use under that small primer.
Probably would have to buy the ammo for that sample but it's nice that Hornady has been paying attention.
One of the next questions up I'm sure will be what size flash hole did they use under that small primer.
Why want Hornady small primer brass when you can just buy Lapua?
I allready have 200 pieces of new Lapua I just want the Hornady to measure, weigh and compare.
I'm a weirdo ok, I actually like the brass prep part of reloading. ??
Sorry to burst bubbles fellas, but the small primer spec is a misprint! After seeing this post I sent a text to Hornady and they said they were still utilizing large primers and the misprint was going to be corrected.
We have been shooting this ammo in our work rifles since Nov. 2017 and the 2 lots we have had were both large primer. This ammo has shot really well for us.
We have been shooting this ammo in our work rifles since Nov. 2017 and the 2 lots we have had were both large primer. This ammo has shot really well for us.
Well that is disappointing.
Brass appears to be no different then the match brass.
No bubbles busted here I have Lapua small primer.
Glad to here it is performing well for you guys though, I would be curious if the Proof barrel velocities are a misprint as well since they seemed pretty high in relation to the other barrels.
The velocity is less than the standard factory 147 load which is listed at 2690fps.
Seems everyone has figured it out the small rifle primer is a misprint but they are crimped.
Same brass.
Not really as all that does is keep the primers in for the first firing. After you load them you will cut out the crimp and load like any other brass.
For me it was mainly due to having a stronger case head, more junk in the trunk and tolerates higher pressure better so primer pockets don't loosen up.
I put alot of time and effort into brass prep and like to get the most out of my brass life since I'm not losing them at matches.
But they also have shown lower es/sd numbers with small primer though the same is achievable with large primer and careful load development.
Are staked primer pockets the same as crimped?
Same principal slightly different process, so yes.
Thanks. If that's the case they can keep it.
No better but no worse than their standard match ammo case just an extra step for reloading as ROB01 stated.
It's done because TAP is a duty line of ammo and not made for your basic consumer. Same reason military crimps ammo. You don;t like crimped then you can just get the standard 147 ELD loaded ammo. It's actually spec'd to be faster anyways.
Have you ever run the numbers on JBM or the like of a 60ksi load vs. a 65-70ksi load in terms of velocity to see what the difference is within the typical (1200yd) ranges most of us are shooting?
I mean I get it, having brass that can handle it is cool, okay... but if you just drop your loads below 60ksi cheap Remington/Winchester/Hornady brass lasts 10-20 firings, there are no more brass shavings... For usually what amounts to like 3 clicks on your turret.
Also, for the Creedmoor there's RL26 pixie dust. 2765fps with 147's in a 21" Brux barrel at 47.1gr (the 'low node'). 48gr is 60-61ksi and 2800fps with the same barrel. No prep other than anneal and trim/chamfer/deburr every 3 firings Hornady brass, SD is 5-11fps every 10 shot string I've tested.
Just to clarify I don't run my loads in the red zone so I get great brass life anyway. My 308 load in Lapua Palma brass I'm running at the max load listed for AR-COMP of 40.7 but I'm at 2.885" COAL at a modest 2650fps with the 178 AMAX and can neck size only for four reloads before I get any tension on the bolt.
I attribute that to Lapua brass.
I have tried Hornady brass in 308, 300WM, 243win, 223rem, and 68spc and in all cases except the 68spc I've found it severely lacking compared to Lapua, Nosler or Norma. I use it solely in the 68spc now but that is used mainly for shooting deer and hogs at close range from 50-250 yards. In all fairness I haven't tried any in 65 creedmoor but I allready have Lapua brass for that so why would I?
If I try any Hornady in 65 creedmoor it would be factory ammo anyway. My barrel is done and new action sitting at home I just need to finish the stock and get it all together and then I can start tinkering with the creedmoor but I totally understand your point on backing off the charge a little as the gains are miniscule and don't expect the 65 Creedmoor to be a 65 PRC by adding more powder. ?
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