Suppressors How do suppressor affect accuracy?

[K80/6.5]

How do suppressors affect accuracy? Is it strictly barrel harmonics or does baffle design also play a factor? I’m not worried about a point of impact shift. I will only shoot suppressed. Just curious what makes one suppressor better than another for precision bolt rifle.

 

[M4orturnate]

Its almost guaranteed youll have some impact shift although i have one gun/can combo without any. As far as accuracy its a case by case basis. All of my rifles were either unchanged or accuracy was improved with a can.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

How does suppressors affect accuracy? Is it strictly barrel harmonics or does baffle design also play a factor? I’m not worried about a point of impact shift. I will only shoot suppressed. Just curious what makes one suppressor better than another for precision bolt rifle.

I think its weight on a barrel.Change harmonics and shieft POI

 

[hafejd30]

Harmonics change. Between my TBAC Ultra 9, Omega 36M and Saker ASR 556 they only shot the same or better when suppressed

.22 rimfire can be a crap shoot on the effects

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

Harmonics change. Between my TBAC Ultra 9, Omega 36M and Saker ASR 556 they only shot the same or better when suppressed

.22 rimfire can be a crap shoot on the effects

What difference between weight of thith cans

 

[chevy_man]

I've only seen improvements or no change myself.

I have seen speeds improve or stay the same also.

I'm in the harmonic dampening camp. Which ever black magic is at play I don't worry about it, just shoot.

 

[hafejd30]

What difference between weight of thith cans

Decent amount between the TBAC and omega 36m. I don’t run them on the same guns. Different guns have different host suppressors. But wether I worked the load up Unsuppressed or factory ammo the suppressor doesn’t have a negative effect

 

[Bluedog82]

What mount you use can affect your accuracy, or at least your return to zero. A direct thread or taper mount will be best.

 

[kthomas]

If you want precision, buy a precision can.

Cans built poorly and with high runout can negatively effect precision. Mount quality matters as well.

Thunderbeast, Abel Co, are some of the ones I would look at.

 

[Lawnboi]

I’m not sure of the merit and maybe someone can enlighten us, but I have heard suppressors meant for precision do not have a clipped first baffle.

 

[kthomas]

I’m not sure of the merit and maybe someone can enlighten us, but I have heard suppressors meant for precision do not have a clipped first baffle.

That would be a good question for someone like @TBACRAY or Zac

 

[carbonbased]

How does suppressors affect accuracy?

It’s “do” my good man; how do suppressors affect accuracy.

But piddle-posh all that,

This is all you need to know for your good way forward:

Have you ever seen an accurate savage? Well, one that you’d deign to own? (man or machine lol)

Talley ho!

 

[Hookturnr]

I'm going to be lone dissent apparently. I have a .308 that shoots bugholes without the can using Norma Match.

Put my ultra 7 on and opens up to 11/2" at 100.

Same can on a couple other rifles, no issues.

That rifle doesn't get shot suppressed..

 

[K80/6.5]

It’s “do” my good man; how do suppressors affect accuracy.

But piddle-posh all that,

This is all you need to know for your good way forward:
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Have you ever seen an accurate savage? Well, one that you’d deign to own? (man or machine lol)

Talley ho!

Fixed it!

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

I'm going to be lone dissent apparently. I have a .308 that shoots bugholes without the can using Norma Match.

Put my ultra 7 on and opens up to 11/2" at 100.

Same can on a couple other rifles, no issues.

That rifle doesn't get shot suppressed..

I head same problem i solved it when im using extra weight on barrell.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

I've only seen improvements or no change myself.

I have seen speeds improve or stay the same also.

I'm in the harmonic dampening camp. Which ever black magic is at play I don't worry about it, just shoot.

Supressors cant change MV no phisics laws exist for it

 

[chevy_man]

Supressors cant change MV no phisics laws exist for it

Really, the gas can't keep on pushing for that extra 6.5 inches? Even if not pushing, it's not dragging yet.

I have noticed on larger cartridges I'll loose 20-50fps taking the can off. I've seen it across multiple cans, multiple rifles. When my SD is 5-8, extreme of 15, and I pick up 50 when the can is on, I trust results more than theory.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

Really, the gas can't keep on pushing for that extra 6.5 inches? Even if not pushing, it's not dragging yet.

I have noticed on larger cartridges I'll loose 20-50fps taking the can off. I've seen it across multiple cans, multiple rifles. When my SD is 5-8, extreme of 15, and I pick up 50 when the can is on, I trust results more than theory.

Bullet speed drops emeediatli after berrels crown.Can makes this gas moves slover then in barrell behind bullett.

 

[chevy_man]

Bullet speed drops emeediatli after berrels crown.Can makes this gas moves slover then in barrell behind bullett.

As I said, reality proves there's something wrong with your theory.


I choose to live in reality with the results I recorded. They are way better at getting hits.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

As I said, reality proves there's something wrong with your theory.


I choose to live in reality with the results I recorded. They are way better at getting hits.

Haw you mesuret you MV?

 

[chevy_man]

Haw you mesuret you MV?

A chronograph.....


Are you 12?

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

A chronograph.....


Are you 12?

Wat kinde of chrono you use

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Definitely get more speed with the can. I've chrono-ed it both ways many many times on 6cm, 6.5cm, and .308. All of them are a little faster with a can. This is a known phenomenon. Unless you have a really long barrel any centerfired is faster with a precision can on it.

 

[chevy_man]

Wat kinde of chrono you use

All of them. Screens, labradar, and magnetospeed.


And it's "what". Wat makes you sound like you have an IQ that would struggle to make it above freezing.

 

[spife7980]

All of them. Screens, labradar, and magnetospeed.


And it's "what". Wat makes you sound like you have an IQ that would struggle to make it above freezing.

 

[hafejd30]

All of them. Screens, labradar, and magnetospeed.


And it's "what". Wat makes you sound like you have an IQ that would struggle to make it above freezing.

Who is youz bee argue from….

Fieldcraft - Sniper war in Ukraine

Enione will bee interesting speek about new expirience in sniping.

www.snipershide.com

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

Definitely get more speed with the can. I've chrono-ed it both ways many many times on 6cm, 6.5cm, and .308. All of them are a little faster with a can. This is a known phenomenon. Unless you have a really long barrel any centerfired is faster with a precision can on it.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

I dont saw thith effects in live.Tray mesured MV bay bullet drop in 500m.
May bee chrono works not correct whith can

 

[chevy_man]

I dont saw thith effects in live.Tray mesured MV bay bullet drop in 500m.
May bee chrono works not correct whith can

Who's Tray and how does he measure?

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

Who is youz bee argue from….

Fieldcraft - Sniper war in Ukraine

Enione will bee interesting speek about new expirience in sniping.

www.snipershide.com

I cant understend you!
Please make you sentence easier

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

I dont saw thith effects in live.Tray mesured MV bay bullet drop in 500m.
May bee chrono works not correct whith can

It works just fine with the can. Not sure what else you are saying here.

 

[Ape_Factory]

I recently chrono'd my 308 bolt gun using a Magnetospeed with and without a Huxwrx HD-QD762Ti and no change in velocity, like a 5fps variance that could have been my loads. Hux makers great "precision" suppressors as well and their muzzle devices have always been spot-on so worth a look.

I have a traditional "baffle" suppressor I just got in but haven't had a chance to test any changes in MV with it yet. Not expecting any really.

 

[Bluedog82]

I recently chrono'd my 308 bolt gun using a Magnetospeed with and without a Huxwrx HD-QD762Ti and no change in velocity, like a 5fps variance that could have been my loads. Hux makers great "precision" suppressors as well and their muzzle devices have always been spot-on so worth a look.

I have a traditional "baffle" suppressor I just got in but haven't had a chance to test any changes in MV with it yet. Not expecting any really.

Using a Hux on a bolt gun seems like it would be super loud.

 

[Ape_Factory]

It actually does pretty well and was bought for my gas gun. I later bought a bolt gun and then a traditional suppressor specifically for it. The new Flow 762 does very well on a bolt gun. With that said, my new Enticer S Ti is remarkably quieter at an indoor range than the QD762. Pew data puts the newer Flow 762 and Enticer S at about equal performance so very much looking forward to my Flow arriving.

 

[UA SOF SNIPE]

It works just fine with the can. Not sure what else you are saying here.

What I wanted to say is that try to measure the speed by the method of dropping a bullet at 300-500 meters.
Naturally, your sights with and without a suppressor were reset.
Naturally, do this in about maximum good condition

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

What I wanted to say is that try to measure the speed by the method of dropping a bullet at 300-500 meters.
Naturally, your sights with and without a suppressor were reset.
Naturally, do this in about maximum good condition

I dope out my rifles well beyond that but you're talking about muzzle velocity and then velocity at 500. They aren't the same thing.

 

[chevy_man]

I recently chrono'd my 308 bolt gun using a Magnetospeed with and without a Huxwrx HD-QD762Ti and no change in velocity, like a 5fps variance that could have been my loads. Hux makers great "precision" suppressors as well and their muzzle devices have always been spot-on so worth a look.

I have a traditional "baffle" suppressor I just got in but haven't had a chance to test any changes in MV with it yet. Not expecting any really.

Doesn't surprise me with a flow through. Less gas trying to get out of the can behind the bullet.

It's generally not a huge leap. As some cartridges and barrel lengths I'd see 4-500 fps from 6.5" of barrel, but I see 50 with 6.5" of can.

 

[AMGtuned]

I’m not sure of the merit and maybe someone can enlighten us, but I have heard suppressors meant for precision do not have a clipped first baffle.

I have yet to see definitive proof either way.

But I'm pretty sure TBAC is one who doesn't clip the 1st. I could be totally wrong.

As @kthomas alluded to; the TBAC fellas may just know the answer.

FWIW my F1 mag can has all 10 baffles single clipped.

 

[doubloon]

I'm going to be lone dissent apparently. I have a .308 that shoots bugholes without the can using Norma Match.

Put my ultra 7 on and opens up to 11/2" at 100.

Same can on a couple other rifles, no issues.

That rifle doesn't get shot suppressed..

Every rifle is different. Generally, in my limited experience, I get ever so slightly tighter groups suppressed but nothing better ammo couldn't do on it's own.

Supressors cant change MV no phisics laws exist for it

I have put more than one of my guns on a chrony both suppressed and unsuppressed. I'll have to see if I can dig up the last spreadsheet I did, I think it was 22lr.

On my crappy little FV-SR 16" with a Spectre I recorded and average increase in MV of about 10% maybe a little less.

Same day, same can, same chrony, same ammo (CCI-SV) I recorded a drop in MV on my buddy's FV 20" ... forget the exact percentage.

Some people used to call it "free bore boost" where the gas in the can was still pushing on the projectile for an inch or so after it left the bore as it passed through the first baffle and before most of the gas passed the projectile inside the suppressor.

The reduction I can't explain.

 

[Lawnboi]

I have yet to see definitive proof either way.

But I'm pretty sure TBAC is one who doesn't clip the 1st. I could be totally wrong.

As @kthomas alluded to; the TBAC fellas may just know the answer.

FWIW my F1 mag can has all 10 baffles single clipped.

The first baffle isn’t clipped on my U7s and magnus.

Supposedly the ultra 5 is clipped on the first. I know the nomad LT is the same.

 

[AMGtuned]

The first baffle isn’t clipped on my U7s and magnus.

Supposedly the ultra 5 is clipped on the first. I know the nomad LT is the same.

U5 vs U7; I would guess the U5 was clipped to take advantage of the gasses in the small package for maximum suppression. The clip helps knock gas off the bore line. Again, speculation.

The Nomad is a coaxial design. Again, for suppression, but I'd bet the clip helps force gas to the coax chambers in this case too. Yet again, speculation. But I'm fully aware of he baffle design

 

[swamper2]

I've only seen improvements or no change myself.

I have seen speeds improve or stay the same also.

I'm in the harmonic dampening camp. Which ever black magic is at play I don't worry about it, just shoot.

If the point of impact changes but also groups. Hit zero. Enjoy.

 

[Supersubes]

I have yet to see definitive proof either way.

But I'm pretty sure TBAC is one who doesn't clip the 1st. I could be totally wrong.

As @kthomas alluded to; the TBAC fellas may just know the answer.

FWIW my F1 mag can has all 10 baffles single clipped.

The first baffle isn’t clipped on my U7s and magnus.

Supposedly the ultra 5 is clipped on the first. I know the nomad LT is the same.

I think the forward most baffle is symmetrical as well.

Diligent Defense does it the same way.

 

[LC 6.5 Shooter]

Im running an ultra 7 30 cal. Ive only
Really used it on my gas guns. Built a 22 creedmoor for coyotes and running a can. It was built by a very good gunsmith. Well for 170 rounds I chased load development with 80.5 bergers and 75 elds. Best I could get was .5-.6” at 100. I had 4 rounds left and light bulb finally went off and I took the suppressor off. Shot 0.26” four shot group.

So I load 5 more. Shot another .2-.3 five shot group. Not sure what the issue is but a very significant improvement in accuracy. Could the .30 cal bore cause too much turbulence or something. Or do you think its a harmonics issue?

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Im running an ultra 7 30 cal. Ive only
Really used it on my gas guns. Built a 22 creedmoor for coyotes and running a can. It was built by a very good gunsmith. Well for 170 rounds I chased load development with 80.5 bergers and 75 elds. Best I could get was .5-.6” at 100. I had 4 rounds left and light bulb finally went off and I took the suppressor off. Shot 0.26” four shot group.

So I load 5 more. Shot another .2-.3 five shot group. Not sure what the issue is but a very significant improvement in accuracy. Could the .30 cal bore cause too much turbulence or something. Or do you think its a harmonics issue?

You sure the can is absolutely secure and that a cover isn't sliding forward of the muzzle on you or something?

 

[LC 6.5 Shooter]

You sure the can is absolutely secure and that a cover isn't sliding forward of the muzzle on you or something?

Yes sir. I thought the same thing. I even took the cover off to make sure.

 

[LC 6.5 Shooter]

This is how dramatic the difference was. Also was 3” straight up shift in poi.

Heres 2 - 3 shot groups with and one 4 shot without suppressor.

 

[NiteQwill]

I shoot a Maverick, TBAC Dominus, 338 Ultra, Ultra 5 and have zero POI shift between all 3 using an area419 sidewinder mount. This is among 3 rifles doing round robin between cans.

My KGM R6 gives me a 2/10th upward shift. So, not much.

Ymmv.

 

[FuhQ]

Dude... We've given them enough of our extortion...I mean... "tax" money... Let's not train them on how to shoot guns, too...

 

[chevy_man]

Im running an ultra 7 30 cal. Ive only
Really used it on my gas guns. Built a 22 creedmoor for coyotes and running a can. It was built by a very good gunsmith. Well for 170 rounds I chased load development with 80.5 bergers and 75 elds. Best I could get was .5-.6” at 100. I had 4 rounds left and light bulb finally went off and I took the suppressor off. Shot 0.26” four shot group.

So I load 5 more. Shot another .2-.3 five shot group. Not sure what the issue is but a very significant improvement in accuracy. Could the .30 cal bore cause too much turbulence or something. Or do you think its a harmonics issue?

I saw similar on a 19 Calhoun running a 30cal can. In my case tweaking the load got it better, but running a 5.56 can was the overall answer. Groups got back to normal with the smaller can.