How far down the neck go you turn?
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Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts.
The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts. </div></div>
How do you turn on the shoulder?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts. </div></div>
How do you turn on the shoulder?
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
You set the stop to let your cutter run into the shoulder.A few thou is plenty. Pete
You set the stop to let your cutter run into the shoulder.A few thou is plenty. Pete
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts. </div></div>
Best to fireform the case first so you can actually *find* the shoulder. If you turn the neck first to the shoulder, you can cut a ways into the shoulder before it's blown forward into the actual chamber shape.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The entire neck and part way onto the shoulder to prevent donuts. </div></div>
Best to fireform the case first so you can actually *find* the shoulder. If you turn the neck first to the shoulder, you can cut a ways into the shoulder before it's blown forward into the actual chamber shape.
John
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
And dont use a bushing die to size it down. Either use a STANDARD neck or FL die, this assures that the neck is sized all the way down to the shoulder (which is impossible with a bushing die).
I found what works well is to use a standard FL die and remove the expander button. Size all your cases down. Expand them using whatever brand neck turner you have's expanding mandrel. Trim them all to uniform length (chamfer, deburr) then turn the necks.
To take it one step further to consistency, only expand them one at a time....so you will expand, trim, chamfer, deburr, then neck turn one case at a time. This assures that all the necks are the same diameter and shape when they get turned, since brass WILL shrink back down after being expanded. If you dont believe me, size or expand a piece of brass, immediately MIC it, then measure it again 20 minutes later, it will likely be different.
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom.
And dont use a bushing die to size it down. Either use a STANDARD neck or FL die, this assures that the neck is sized all the way down to the shoulder (which is impossible with a bushing die).
I found what works well is to use a standard FL die and remove the expander button. Size all your cases down. Expand them using whatever brand neck turner you have's expanding mandrel. Trim them all to uniform length (chamfer, deburr) then turn the necks.
To take it one step further to consistency, only expand them one at a time....so you will expand, trim, chamfer, deburr, then neck turn one case at a time. This assures that all the necks are the same diameter and shape when they get turned, since brass WILL shrink back down after being expanded. If you dont believe me, size or expand a piece of brass, immediately MIC it, then measure it again 20 minutes later, it will likely be different.
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! (if your using a battery drill...)
^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! (if your using a battery drill...)
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
The hand crank neck turning I do would never heat anything up like you describe.
On aside, lube the inside of the necks to prevent galling on the pilot, which will compound exponentially over time.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
The hand crank neck turning I do would never heat anything up like you describe.
On aside, lube the inside of the necks to prevent galling on the pilot, which will compound exponentially over time.....
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom. </div></div>
Lemme guess, you don't do any annealing do you......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom. </div></div>
Lemme guess, you don't do any annealing do you......
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
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Whats wrong with that? I use a drill to turn mine, and when using lube,(as you suggested) it works just fine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
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Whats wrong with that? I use a drill to turn mine, and when using lube,(as you suggested) it works just fine.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
The hand crank neck turning I do would never heat anything up like you describe.
On aside, lube the inside of the necks to prevent galling on the pilot, which will compound exponentially over time.....</div></div>
Yes, I use the K&M turner, and use the Lee shelholder that tightens down, with a hex drive on it,
I but the hex drive in a 3v electric screwdriver and turn them.
I also use imp wax on the inside of the case necks as this greatly helps,
But if you turn case after case after case the cutting blade gets hot!
They are only spinning at low speed, and I'm only cleaning up about 90% of the neck, but that's still a lot of friction making the blade hot, so doing other brass prep to the cases gives a little cooling down time between each one.
My fingers/hands could not stand turning 100 cases without the aid of battery power.. I am not a glutton for punishment!!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gfunkUK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^ jons method also allows the cutter to cool between cases, keeping the cutting depth a bit more consistent!
If you try turning one after another, you'll soon friction-heat the tool up! </div></div>
WTF, are you spinning something high speed with a drill?
The hand crank neck turning I do would never heat anything up like you describe.
On aside, lube the inside of the necks to prevent galling on the pilot, which will compound exponentially over time.....</div></div>
Yes, I use the K&M turner, and use the Lee shelholder that tightens down, with a hex drive on it,
I but the hex drive in a 3v electric screwdriver and turn them.
I also use imp wax on the inside of the case necks as this greatly helps,
But if you turn case after case after case the cutting blade gets hot!
They are only spinning at low speed, and I'm only cleaning up about 90% of the neck, but that's still a lot of friction making the blade hot, so doing other brass prep to the cases gives a little cooling down time between each one.
My fingers/hands could not stand turning 100 cases without the aid of battery power.. I am not a glutton for punishment!!!!
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
You boys act like turning necks is a tough job, or something.
A 100 necks turned once is 100 necks turned forever.
Just finished up turning 500 the other day, hand cranked on a Forster. Didn't think much about it being an inconvenience either, as the gain easily out-weighed the "pain".....and can't recall any of 'em getting too "hot".
Still trying to wrap my brain around that one.......
You boys act like turning necks is a tough job, or something.
A 100 necks turned once is 100 necks turned forever.
Just finished up turning 500 the other day, hand cranked on a Forster. Didn't think much about it being an inconvenience either, as the gain easily out-weighed the "pain".....and can't recall any of 'em getting too "hot".
Still trying to wrap my brain around that one.......
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting.
Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You boys act like turning necks is a tough job, or something.
A 100 necks turned once is 100 necks turned forever.
Just finished up turning 500 the other day, hand cranked on a Forster. Didn't think much about it being an inconvenience either, as the gain easily out-weighed the "pain".....and can't recall any of 'em getting too "hot".
Still trying to wrap my brain around that one....... </div></div>
Only get hot because spun in a drill..
I burn enough calories working the press handle when reloading,
I'm all for making things easier.
500 cases turned by hand would make me break a sweat..
You must have forearms like a gorilla.
Unless my cutter is so hard to turn because it's blunt lol..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You boys act like turning necks is a tough job, or something.
A 100 necks turned once is 100 necks turned forever.
Just finished up turning 500 the other day, hand cranked on a Forster. Didn't think much about it being an inconvenience either, as the gain easily out-weighed the "pain".....and can't recall any of 'em getting too "hot".
Still trying to wrap my brain around that one....... </div></div>
Only get hot because spun in a drill..
I burn enough calories working the press handle when reloading,
I'm all for making things easier.
500 cases turned by hand would make me break a sweat..
You must have forearms like a gorilla.
Unless my cutter is so hard to turn because it's blunt lol..
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
That's the reason I always kept a lazy on a crew, made more $ in the long haul than the head down bust asser's. He was ALWAYS thinking of the EASY way to get shit done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
That's the reason I always kept a lazy on a crew, made more $ in the long haul than the head down bust asser's. He was ALWAYS thinking of the EASY way to get shit done.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
If you had any meaningful mechanical aptitude you'd see the irony of that statement....'specially if y'all are fretting stuff getting hot.
I've a half inch chuck Porter-Cable variable speed drill I could very easily attach on my Forster but I really can't see the point...seems like too big a pain in the ass to fool with.
To each his own, but I don't worry over hot cases either......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
If you had any meaningful mechanical aptitude you'd see the irony of that statement....'specially if y'all are fretting stuff getting hot.
I've a half inch chuck Porter-Cable variable speed drill I could very easily attach on my Forster but I really can't see the point...seems like too big a pain in the ass to fool with.
To each his own, but I don't worry over hot cases either......
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
If you had any meaningful mechanical aptitude you'd see the irony of that statement....'specially if y'all are fretting stuff getting hot.
I've a half inch chuck Porter-Cable variable speed drill I could very easily attach on my Forster but I really can't see the point...seems like too big a pain in the ass to fool with.
To each his own, but I don't worry over hot cases either...... </div></div>
I never said anything about hot cases, and WTF is ironic about my previous statement? I would rather turn the necks on my cases as fast and simple as possible so I can go shoot instead of cranking them out by hand. How is that ironic? And if you had "any meaningful mechanical aptitude" you could see how simple it is done. One needn't attach a 1/2 godammed drill to a forster to turn necks, there are much simpler ways as already mentioned above in this thread.
To each his own is right, my time is too valuable to me to spend it chucking and turning a forster one at a time for hours or more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nobody said it was tough, its a simple case of smarter not harder. Turning 500 cases by hand? I'd rather spend my time shooting. </div></div>
If you had any meaningful mechanical aptitude you'd see the irony of that statement....'specially if y'all are fretting stuff getting hot.
I've a half inch chuck Porter-Cable variable speed drill I could very easily attach on my Forster but I really can't see the point...seems like too big a pain in the ass to fool with.
To each his own, but I don't worry over hot cases either...... </div></div>
I never said anything about hot cases, and WTF is ironic about my previous statement? I would rather turn the necks on my cases as fast and simple as possible so I can go shoot instead of cranking them out by hand. How is that ironic? And if you had "any meaningful mechanical aptitude" you could see how simple it is done. One needn't attach a 1/2 godammed drill to a forster to turn necks, there are much simpler ways as already mentioned above in this thread.
To each his own is right, my time is too valuable to me to spend it chucking and turning a forster one at a time for hours or more.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........
Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies.
I bought a pumpkin and to me it takes less torque to turn a neck than it does to remove the bur on a flash hole. </div></div>
congrats on a fine piece of equipment
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies.
I bought a pumpkin and to me it takes less torque to turn a neck than it does to remove the bur on a flash hole. </div></div>
congrats on a fine piece of equipment
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
"All the way to the shoulder? Part way?"
Fitter, it largely depends on why you're turning, what you're turning for and if you think you may change your bullet later.
IF you pretty well know what your load and seating depth will be, you can turn to just below the lowest point of bullet contact with the neck. Few cases for common rifles will last long enough, or stretch enough for a skilled loader, to worry about doughnuts.
Only if you think you may eventually seat bullets fully into the neck does cutting to the shoulder make any difference and cutting into the shoulder can weaken its attachment to the neck. That can/may give you a neck seperation later.
"All the way to the shoulder? Part way?"
Fitter, it largely depends on why you're turning, what you're turning for and if you think you may change your bullet later.
IF you pretty well know what your load and seating depth will be, you can turn to just below the lowest point of bullet contact with the neck. Few cases for common rifles will last long enough, or stretch enough for a skilled loader, to worry about doughnuts.
Only if you think you may eventually seat bullets fully into the neck does cutting to the shoulder make any difference and cutting into the shoulder can weaken its attachment to the neck. That can/may give you a neck seperation later.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways?
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways </div></div>
Would I be an asshole if I told you guys to take this shit the fuck out of my thread? I'm trying to learn something.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways </div></div>
Would I be an asshole if I told you guys to take this shit the fuck out of my thread? I'm trying to learn something.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways </div></div>
Would I be an asshole if I told you guys to take this shit the fuck out of my thread? I'm trying to learn something. </div></div>
No sir you wouln't, I was feeling like it was getting out of hand myself. I'm done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yer one of those guys that gets wound up tight over an internet argument, ain't ya.....
Guess I could chuck up my Milwaukee hammer drill too if that makes you happy/happier/happiest, as using anything else would require me going out and buying something...but like I said, it seems a useless bother.
I highly doubt you are actually making more time at it than I am, but if you say so.
Per "shooting more"....been a while since I needed to shoot at night so time after dark is willingly spent in the reloading room. Always get a good laugh out of seeing that excuse for justifying something. If shooting more is such a great concern for you that a minuscule difference in time per neck turned, albeit percieved IMO, humps you up....then why bother wasting your precious range time on reloading at all? Ironic too, that you have 13 posts today spanned from 0900 to just last hour...so shooting time was trumped today by computer time?
Just saying......
I could care less how you do it dude, or what you end up with when you are done, but don't try to bullshit me........ </div></div>
Nobodies trying to bullshit anybody, everybody was making friendly comments on how they do it til you came in talkin shit about your way is somehow superior to others. Why do you feel so threatened by someone doing it another way? Nobody was making a big deal about your hand turning, yet you seemed intent on making those who do it differently look lazy, or stupid. I dont give a flyin fuck how you do it, thats fine, I dont care if anyone wants to take hours to hand prepare all their cases. Good for you/them, but for you to make rash judgmental assessments on others makes your wisdom that much less pleasant to listen to. Not to mention almost all your post's seem to be jabs at whatever the previous post said, why would you bother insulting people you will likely never meet or talk to in person?
I reload because its cheaper, and I can make better ammo than I can buy. And I get more satisfaction out of it.
And yes I have spent a lot of time on the computer lately, I cant go shooting because I'm recovering from surgery.
What exactly did you think I was "bullshitting" you with anyways </div></div>
Would I be an asshole if I told you guys to take this shit the fuck out of my thread? I'm trying to learn something. </div></div>
No sir you wouln't, I was feeling like it was getting out of hand myself. I'm done.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"All the way to the shoulder? Part way?"
Fitter, it largely depends on why you're turning, what you're turning for and if you think you may change your bullet later.
IF you pretty well know what your load and seating depth will be, you can turn to just below the lowest point of bullet contact with the neck. Few cases for common rifles will last long enough, or stretch enough for a skilled loader, to worry about doughnuts.
Only if you think you may eventually seat bullets fully into the neck does cutting to the shoulder make any difference and cutting into the shoulder can weaken its attachment to the neck. That can/may give you a neck seperation later. </div></div>
Thanks. A BR guy at the range today said pretty much the same thing. With the factory chamber I have the bullets are waaaaay out there. In fact the loads that are listed for varget as "compressed" aren't when I load 1-2 thousands off the lands.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"All the way to the shoulder? Part way?"
Fitter, it largely depends on why you're turning, what you're turning for and if you think you may change your bullet later.
IF you pretty well know what your load and seating depth will be, you can turn to just below the lowest point of bullet contact with the neck. Few cases for common rifles will last long enough, or stretch enough for a skilled loader, to worry about doughnuts.
Only if you think you may eventually seat bullets fully into the neck does cutting to the shoulder make any difference and cutting into the shoulder can weaken its attachment to the neck. That can/may give you a neck seperation later. </div></div>
Thanks. A BR guy at the range today said pretty much the same thing. With the factory chamber I have the bullets are waaaaay out there. In fact the loads that are listed for varget as "compressed" aren't when I load 1-2 thousands off the lands.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
Honestly, if you really want an answer to this question, get Glen Zediker's book, "Handloading for Competition." He goes to great length explaining why you need to turn the entire length of the neck and into the shoulder. You can do this before firing the brass or after fireforming, but you definitely need to turn into the shoulder....if you are a long-range shooter using long bullets that extend into the shoulder junction. Bench rest shooter not so much, but they use short, flat base bullets that never come close to being seated into the neck/shoulder junction.
Honestly, if you really want an answer to this question, get Glen Zediker's book, "Handloading for Competition." He goes to great length explaining why you need to turn the entire length of the neck and into the shoulder. You can do this before firing the brass or after fireforming, but you definitely need to turn into the shoulder....if you are a long-range shooter using long bullets that extend into the shoulder junction. Bench rest shooter not so much, but they use short, flat base bullets that never come close to being seated into the neck/shoulder junction.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
"...(BR shooters) use short, flat base bullets that never come close to being seated into the neck/shoulder junction."
And, with all due respect to Mr. Zideker, BR shooters aren't the only ones who don't seat bullets below the shoulder and there is no value in doing stuff that doesn't matter. ??
"...(BR shooters) use short, flat base bullets that never come close to being seated into the neck/shoulder junction."
And, with all due respect to Mr. Zideker, BR shooters aren't the only ones who don't seat bullets below the shoulder and there is no value in doing stuff that doesn't matter. ??
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom. </div></div>
Lemme guess, you don't do any annealing do you...... </div></div>
No, sorry I dont anneal virgin brass. Let me guess, youve never actually tested this have you? I can see you just enjoy starting fights in other peoples threads so this is all I will say.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonaddis84</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Note: I am also somewhat new at this, and dont have any experience showing that what I did actually helped, but I did notice that brass shrinks and expands slowly after being resized. And I do know after measuring my necks that they are within .0002" of each other all the way around, top and bottom. </div></div>
Lemme guess, you don't do any annealing do you...... </div></div>
No, sorry I dont anneal virgin brass. Let me guess, youve never actually tested this have you? I can see you just enjoy starting fights in other peoples threads so this is all I will say.
Re: How far down the neck go you turn?
"I can see you just enjoy starting fights in other peoples threads so this is all I will say."
Jon, some people have something to say, some people just have to say something. I've learned we can quickly tell which is which by how they deal with differences. Those who just have to "win" will quickly resort to demeaning and snide remarks, seeming to be more interested in establishing a high post count and a "guru" image than providing help. But, if you think of it right, they're more humerous than not. ??
"I can see you just enjoy starting fights in other peoples threads so this is all I will say."
Jon, some people have something to say, some people just have to say something. I've learned we can quickly tell which is which by how they deal with differences. Those who just have to "win" will quickly resort to demeaning and snide remarks, seeming to be more interested in establishing a high post count and a "guru" image than providing help. But, if you think of it right, they're more humerous than not. ??
