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How many officers at Uvalde? Four Hundred (400)

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    UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Nearly 400 law enforcement officials rushed to a mass shooting at a Uvalde elementary school, but “egregiously poor decision-making” resulted in more than an hour of chaos before the gunman who took 21 lives was finally confronted and killed, according to a damning investigative report released Sunday.

    The nearly 80-page report was the first to criticize both state and federal law enforcement, and not just local authorities in the South Texas town for the bewildering inaction by heavily armed officers as a gunman fired inside a fourth-grade classroom at Robb Elementary School.

    “At Robb Elementary, law enforcement responders failed to adhere to their active shooter training, and they failed to prioritize saving innocent lives over their own safety," the report said.

    The gunman fired approximately 142 rounds inside the building — and it is “almost certain” that at least 100 shots came before any officer entered, according to the report, which laid out in damning detail numerous failures. Among them:

    — The commander of a Border Patrol tactical team waited for a bullet-proof shield and working master key for the classroom, which may have not even been needed, before entering the classroom.

    — No one assumed command despite scores of officers being on the scene.

    — A Uvalde Police Department officer said he heard about 911 calls that had come inside from the classroom, and that his understanding was the officers on one side of the building knew there were victims trapped inside. Still, no one tried to breach the classroom.

    The report — the most complete account yet of the hesitant and haphazard response to the May 24 massacre — was written by an investigative committee from the Texas House of Representatives. Swiftly, the findings set in motion at least one fallout: Lt. Mariano Pargas, a Uvalde Police Department officer who was the city's acting police chief during the massacre, was placed on administrative leave.

    Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said an investigation would be launched to determine whether Pargas should have taken command of the scene. McLaughlin also said the city would now release all body camera footage Uvalde police that was taken during the shooting.

    Family members of the victims in Uvalde received copies of the report Sunday before it was released to the public.

    “It’s a joke. They’re a joke. They’ve got no business wearing a badge. None of them do,” Vincent Salazar, grandfather of 11-year-old Layla Salazer, said Sunday.

    According to the report, 376 law enforcement officers massed at the school. The overwhelming majority of those who responded were federal and state law enforcement. That included nearly 150 U.S. Border Patrol agents and 91 state police officials.

    “Other than the attacker, the Committee did not find any ‘villains’ in the course of its investigation,” the report said. “There is no one to whom we can attribute malice or ill motives. Instead, we found systemic failures and egregiously poor decision making.”

    The report noted that many of the hundreds of law enforcement responders who rushed to the school were better trained and equipped than the school district police — which the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, the state police force, previously faulted for not going into the room sooner.

    “Everyone who came on the scene talked about this being chaotic,” said Texas state Rep. Burrows, a Republican who led the investigation.

    Officials with the Texas Department of Public Safety and U.S. Border Patrol did not immediately return requests for comment Sunday.


    The report followed weeks of closed-door interviews with more than 40 people, including witnesses and law enforcement who were on the scene of the shooting.

    Flowers that had been piled high in the city’s central square had been removed as of Sunday, leaving a few stuffed animals scattered around the fountains alongside photos of some of the children who were killed.

    No single officer has received as much scrutiny since the shooting as Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief who resigned from his newly appointed seat on the City Council after the shooting. Arredondo told the committee he treated the shooter as “barricaded subject," according to the report, and defended never treating the scene as an active-shooter situation because he did not have visual contact with the gunman.

    Arredondo also tried to find a key for the classrooms, but no one ever bothered to see if the doors were locked, according to the report.

    “Arredondo’s search for a key consumed his attention and wasted precious time, delaying the breach of the classrooms," the report read.

    The report criticized as “lackadaisical” the approach of the hundreds of officers who surrounded the school and said that they should have recognized that Arredondo remaining in the school without reliable communication was “inconsistent” with him being the scene commander. The report concluded that some officers waited because they relied on bad information while others “had enough information to know better.”

    A nearly 80-minute hallway surveillance video published by the Austin American-Statesman this week publicly showed for the first time a hesitant and haphazard tactical response, which the head of Texas’ state police has condemned as a failure and some Uvalde residents have blasted as cowardly.

    Calls for police accountability have grown in Uvalde since the shooting. So far, only one officer from the scene of the deadliest school shooting in Texas history is known to be on leave.

    The report is the result of one of several investigations into the shooting, including another led by the Justice Department. A report earlier this month by tactical expertsat Texas State University alleged that a Uvalde police officer had a chance to stop the gunman before he went inside the school armed with an AR-15.

    But in an example of the conflicting statements and disputed accounts since the shooting, Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin has said that never happened. That report had been done at the request of the Texas Department of Public Safety, which McLaughlin has increasingly criticized and accused of trying to minimize the role of its troopers during the massacre.

    Steve McCraw, the head of Texas DPS, has called the police response an abject failure.
     
    400 men a little less then a half of a battalion against one mental midget , MM showed up 400 men ..... Just doesn't make sense , at all .....
     
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    Name one thing you trust government to do for you and your community better than you can do for yourself? If you are a back the blue mental midget then you obviously have to answer “safety and security”. The correct answer is “absolutely nothing.”

    Police are government thugs and nothing more. A man that helps this government stay functional in any capacity especially but not only LEO is across the line from you. Some of you may have family members in such a position. Distance yourselves from them. They would hurt you to keep their paycheck coming. They are doing this now.
     
    What a surprise. One department of the state investigates another and finds nothing wrong. They obviously need a bigger budget now. For the children
     
    School district police. City police. Border patrol. State Troopers. FBI? Others as well? Too many cooks in the kitchen.
     
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    If they only had an MRAP

    With the lot of cowards at Uvalde , they were probably waiting for at least a Tank or two complete with ATF crew , like at WACO , they were probably still hustling for that recovery vehicle in case they got stuck trying to breach the classroom.

    Folks at Waco shit show brought a small army to kill the children.
    "Mr. Craig told jurors that military vehicles used by the F.B.I. in the Branch Davidian operation included seven Bradley armored personnel carriers, four 54-ton combat engineering vehicles, two M-1 Abrams battle tanks, and a tracked maintenance recovery vehicle."

    Note that those vehicles were manned by Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agents
    who had received training from US Special Forces personnel at Fort Bragg, NC. This was done to get around the prohibition of US military forces beng involved in police actions in the US.

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    And they will let more happen until they get what they want. The AR-15 ban is next, but not the end.
    You will have a difficult time convincing me this wasn't planned. The shooter was groomed online, his parent pumped him full of big pharma and some alphabet agency supplied the money for the rifles. There are probably scores of the events in the planning stages and one happen to take. Bills were waiting for the communist politicians to pass and receive their payday.
     
    With the lot of cowards at Uvalde , they were probably waiting for at least a Tank or two complete with ATF crew , like at WACO , they were probably still hustling for that recovery vehicle in case they got stuck trying to breach the classroom.

    Folks at Waco shit show brought a small army to kill the children.
    "Mr. Craig told jurors that military vehicles used by the F.B.I. in the Branch Davidian operation included seven Bradley armored personnel carriers, four 54-ton combat engineering vehicles, two M-1 Abrams battle tanks, and a tracked maintenance recovery vehicle."

    Note that those vehicles were manned by Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agents
    who had received training from US Special Forces personnel at Fort Bragg, NC. This was done to get around the prohibition of US military forces beng involved in police actions in the US.

    o97mufqi8jo01.jpg
    A picture is worth a thousand words . . . but that picture needs a few more words (the picture - not the words above it).

    For instance: words could explain a few things like - Who, What, When, Where, and WHY.

    The American Flag is a nice touch.

    Mark my words. You will see this picture posted elsewhere with words that describe something different. Perhaps some comments explaining the inverted Vs were used to identify friendly forces during the conflict in the Mid-East (implying that the photo was taken during the Mid-East conflict). Of course, nobody will attempt to explain the nice green grass in the photo.
     
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    Why ? its a well known picture from Waco siege 1993

    'Federales' brought in lots of heavy armor. For the Children , only thing missing in the arsenal was some WP shells for better 'illumination'

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    Makes perfect sense if the .gov tells you to stand down.
    Dunnit ?
    They needed this to happen (no matter the circumstances) and damn well made sure it did.

    This is slanderous. You have no proof. Are you a Despair Troll?
     
    As I have mentioned in other threads, fucking cowards.

    That's the key point. The IC1 on scene was the Uvalde ISD Police Chief then the City Police Chief then the Mayor then the Country Sheriff then the Texas Rangers.

    No one stood up and said Eyes on Me.

    The fattest mom with a shotgun would have ended this in seconds.
     
    This is slanderous. You have no proof. Are you a Despair Troll?
    The government statists hold up as god is an evil murderous organization full of criminals. Only disgusting examples of men would be part of it today knowing what is known now.
     
    Is your post sarcasm?

    Nope.

    The post I referenced is nothing more than despair propaganda.

    The Uvalde ISD police chief failed to do his duty. Its that simple.

    Not .gov. >gov is a blanket term with no specifics and hence cannot be fixed or addressed.
     
    That's the key point. The IC1 on scene was the Uvalde ISD Police Chief then the City Police Chief then the Mayor then the Country Sheriff then the Texas Rangers.

    No one stood up and said Eyes on Me.

    The fattest mom with a shotgun would have ended this in seconds.

    Lots of them tried only to have the EVIL police physically attack, and brutalize any parents coming to rescue their children.
    The police even attacked and arrested one of their own when one of them had the balls and said let's go, I don't want my wife to die.
    Instead all the "hero police" grabbed the guy disarmed him, detained him and drug him out of the building while his wife was bleeding to death.

    There is not enough words to describe the righteous anger so many in this country feel towards those VILE police who purposely protected a murderer and were COMPLICIT in causing the deaths of the victims.

    Then of course the politicians say we need to give up our guns.
    How about we kick out the police and try citizen's vigilante squads for a bit and see how that goes.
     
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    USBP folks showed up quite early on and then sat and waited for an hour.
    The likely explanation for the inaction is that no one was in charge. When no one is in charge, no one coordinates the tactical response etc...
    No one was in charge, the ISD chief is a POS, but he was the one on scene with stars on his collars and by default, was the guy in charge.
    When you have a crowd, you end up with the "bystander effect".
    Below is a decent video that explains it.
    I'm not excusing the inaction, but bystander effect is real, there is also the reluctance to take over in someone else's jurisdiction.
    This was an inexcusable failure.
     
    Nope.

    The post I referenced is nothing more than despair propaganda.

    The Uvalde ISD police chief failed to do his duty. Its that simple.

    Not .gov. >gov is a blanket term with no specifics and hence cannot be fixed or addressed.
    And in that case you are wrong and the post was not "despair propoganda". You need to wake up and understand that these school shootings are being allowed to happen across the US in order to further gun control and confiscation. If you cannot see that then you are as large a part of the problem as the shooters, FBI and democrats.

    Uvalde was allowed. Parkland was allowed. Most, if not all, of the recent "mass shooters" have been know by the cops and/or FBI.
     
    Lots of them tried only to have the EVIL police physically attack, and brutalize any parents coming to rescue their children.
    The police even attacked and arrested one of their own when one of them had the balls and said let's go, I don't want my wife to die.
    Instead all the "hero police" grabbed the guy disarmed him, detained him and drug him out of the building while his wife was bleeding to death.

    There is not enough words to describe the righteous anger so many in this country feel towards those VILE police who purposely protected a murderer and were COMPLICIT in causing the deaths of the victims.

    Then of course the politicians say we need to give up our guns.
    How about we kick out the police and try citizen's vigilante squads for a bit and see how that goes.
    citizen's vigilante? I bet a dollar to a donut crime would drop drastically. People would'nt put up with it. All it'd take is for the wrong person to get hurt in a high crime area and the streets would be cleaned. Cops may not go in those areas unless forced? But a group of armed citizens would clean it up rather quickly.

    And my question is? Why did they take him alive? There is NO excuse other than to glorify him keeping him alive. Why not dispose of the filth? Save tax payers a fortune
     
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    With the lot of cowards at Uvalde , they were probably waiting for at least a Tank or two complete with ATF crew , like at WACO , they were probably still hustling for that recovery vehicle in case they got stuck trying to breach the classroom.

    Folks at Waco shit show brought a small army to kill the children.
    "Mr. Craig told jurors that military vehicles used by the F.B.I. in the Branch Davidian operation included seven Bradley armored personnel carriers, four 54-ton combat engineering vehicles, two M-1 Abrams battle tanks, and a tracked maintenance recovery vehicle."

    Note that those vehicles were manned by Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agents
    who had received training from US Special Forces personnel at Fort Bragg, NC. This was done to get around the prohibition of US military forces beng involved in police actions in the US.

    o97mufqi8jo01.jpg

    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
     
    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
    You're actually going to take up for the ATF? They and the FBI screwed up the entire process. If they wanted David K? They couldve picked him up at another time. Infact? He came out the house to talk to them. They shot at him. LOL Then? They killed all the children. You think David and his disciples killed them? NO, it was the FBI, ATF and everyone else shooting and destroying the compound. FBI, CIA, ATF, law enforcement and ANY other givernment entity does NOT have your best interest at heart. It's to purely control you and for the upper echelon to monetarily gain.
     
    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
    You are a fucking cunt with that post. Saying the ATF "had balls" while killing children is a new low.
     
    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
    This is real

    Not photoshopped as far as i know , scene is seen in VICE documentary,Waco went down on live TV

    This is at 15:05 on the link below M1 with the flag on is seen here in the middle of the pack.


     
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    I agree criminally responsible. However don’t need a judge or jury. Let’s just kill every officer or agent there who stood witness and didn’t lift a finger until an actual decision was made.

    One can say anything they wish, but nothing will change unless change is made. You hear the government saying oh semi auto is bad, ar 15 and ar 10s are bad. So they’re trying to CHANGE the law so no one can own one a high capacity magazine taking hun. Pistol or rifle.


    Well how about instead? Let’s change how we deal with this? Let’s change the law to where citizens are allowed to stop the madness. Let’s eliminate by any way possible anyone that causes unintentional harm (by that I mean killing randomly without purpose) to another human being as well as eliminating police who stand by waiting for orders. It’s bad enough they always arrive late to a party and I get that. They have to be called there. They’re not mind readers. But on the way? Is when a plan should be thought of. Especially in dire situations.

    I’ve asked this question before: is it better for 1 person to die? Or 20? And no one dies is not a choice. So answer it accordingly. Why not kill a person after they take out the first person if you’re there watching? Anyone who walks into a public place with a semi auto rifle? Is not there for anything other than cause havoc. At some point you can’t wait. You take out the threat. If a guy walks into a mall, you’re telling me he’ll keep his back to a wall? That no one can jump on them from behind? Yes. Someone will get killed regardless. It’s inevitable in a situation like that. So why watch how many plunder?
     
    This is real

    Not photoshopped as far as i know , scene is seen in VICE documentary,Waco went down on live TV

    This is at 15:05 on the link below M1 with the flag on is seen here in the middle of the pack.



    Too bad the guy being interviewed is full of shit
     
    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
    Whoa!!

    ATF killed a bunch of kids and it took balls. You probably have their photos up on your wall standing over the burnt bodies to yank it to huh?

    Least you username is accurate.
     
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    Name one thing you trust government to do for you and your community better than you can do for yourself? If you are a back the blue mental midget then you obviously have to answer “safety and security”. The correct answer is “absolutely nothing.”

    Police are government thugs and nothing more. A man that helps this government stay functional in any capacity especially but not only LEO is across the line from you. Some of you may have family members in such a position. Distance yourselves from them. They would hurt you to keep their paycheck coming. They are doing this now.
    That's an over simplification. A lot of officers in most places do their best to maintain civil society. That's not to excuse the cowards in Uvalde. Those cowards need to be made examples of.

    I suggest the scarlet letter. Each of them should have a large pink C tattooed in the center of their forehead to stop them from masquerading as men.
     
    Another thread hijack by a Despair Troll.

    You just posted photoshopped fake photos probably done by Chinese or Russians.

    At least at Waco the ATF team tried to make entry and engaged the target.

    Their training and tactics and overall plan were shit, but at least they had balls.
    You've just outted yourself as one of the Feds monitoring the internet seeking to stir shit. You've get a paycheck for a bottom of the barrel job and you can't even do that right.
     
    So we'll kill the children to save the children. :whistle:
    Don't be an idiot. They do what needs to be done to eliminate any threat to their absolute power. Yes they'll kill children. Not to save children, but to give their media helpers the fulcrum to manipulate the gullible masses.
     
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    Don't be an idiot. They do what needs to be done to eliminate any threat to their absolute power. Yes they'll kill children. Not to save children, but to give their media helpers the fulcrum to manipulate the gullible masses.
    That was sarcasm.
     
    With the lot of cowards at Uvalde , they were probably waiting for at least a Tank or two complete with ATF crew , like at WACO , they were probably still hustling for that recovery vehicle in case they got stuck trying to breach the classroom.

    Folks at Waco shit show brought a small army to kill the children.
    "Mr. Craig told jurors that military vehicles used by the F.B.I. in the Branch Davidian operation included seven Bradley armored personnel carriers, four 54-ton combat engineering vehicles, two M-1 Abrams battle tanks, and a tracked maintenance recovery vehicle."

    Note that those vehicles were manned by Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agents
    who had received training from US Special Forces personnel at Fort Bragg, NC. This was done to get around the prohibition of US military forces beng involved in police actions in the US.

    o97mufqi8jo01.jpg
    Incorrect statement aka I call BS. Special Forces at Bragg probably don't even know how to start an M1 or a Brad. Just saying
     
    You've get a paycheck for a bottom of the barrel job and you can't even do that right.

    Now I am instructing the trolls. <sigh>

    Speaking of doing things correctly, Its "You get a paycheck.."

    Uncle Xiden will be most displeased with your grammar infraction.
     
    That's an over simplification. A lot of officers in most places do their best to maintain civil society. That's not to excuse the cowards in Uvalde. Those cowards need to be made examples of.

    I agree that most officers do a great job.

    Uvalde was a failure of leadership.
     
    I agree that most officers do a great job.

    Uvalde was a failure of leadership.
    That's a white wash. At best it was 400 incompetent cowards covering their own ass. Even then some of those officers could have stopped this. Those particular officers are actively serving the forces of evil.

    Why do you insist on covering for them?
     
    Cowards. Think on your feet. Anyone of them could have said they were going in. What, you're going to get a reprimand?
     
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