Needless to say this will be headed back to Redding.
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Needless to say this will be headed back to Redding.
Re: How to ruin a saturday afternoon....
yep that will do it...
can you steal the stem off of another die in your arsenal?
yep that will do it...
can you steal the stem off of another die in your arsenal?
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A Berdan Primer Pocket?
A Berdan Primer Pocket?
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Nope. Brand new Winchester brass. Still not sure what exactly went wrong.
Nope. Brand new Winchester brass. Still not sure what exactly went wrong.
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Nope. It has had a several hundred run through it already.
Nope. It has had a several hundred run through it already.
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Jeez, you know, I think I've got a couple sets of dies just like that. I seem to remember some saltier than usual expletives on a couple of occasions.
Feel your pain, bro, feel your pain.
Jeez, you know, I think I've got a couple sets of dies just like that. I seem to remember some saltier than usual expletives on a couple of occasions.
Feel your pain, bro, feel your pain.
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Done that to a couple of 223 decapping pins. Redding will take care of you.
Done that to a couple of 223 decapping pins. Redding will take care of you.
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take a look at the offending case and see if the flash hole is drilled way off center. That is the only way a new case could have caused this.
BTW if this is the case it is not Redding's fault that the FH was drilled off center.
A bud just sent 1k WIN brass back to Sinclair because the FHs were so off. Sinclair accepted them and is taking it up with WIN.
take a look at the offending case and see if the flash hole is drilled way off center. That is the only way a new case could have caused this.
BTW if this is the case it is not Redding's fault that the FH was drilled off center.
A bud just sent 1k WIN brass back to Sinclair because the FHs were so off. Sinclair accepted them and is taking it up with WIN.
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I had that same thing happen to a Redding nk die. In my case, it was 100% operator headspace and timing. Sent an email to Redding explaining what happened and how and had a new decapping stem in 3 days...free of charge.
Here's to wishing you the same CS I had with Redding.
I had that same thing happen to a Redding nk die. In my case, it was 100% operator headspace and timing. Sent an email to Redding explaining what happened and how and had a new decapping stem in 3 days...free of charge.
Here's to wishing you the same CS I had with Redding.
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I had something similar happen once when a piece of .22 LR brass somehow lodged inside a piece of brass. Fortunately it just bent the decapping pin at a 90 degree angle! I had spares, so I just checked the rest of that brass, replaced the pin, and drove on.
I also see a lot of flash holes punched (only Lapua and a few others <span style="font-style: italic">drill</span> flash holes) off center, mostly in Winchester and LC brass. I have yet to see a discernible difference in group size, but I suppose they could effect it.
I had something similar happen once when a piece of .22 LR brass somehow lodged inside a piece of brass. Fortunately it just bent the decapping pin at a 90 degree angle! I had spares, so I just checked the rest of that brass, replaced the pin, and drove on.
I also see a lot of flash holes punched (only Lapua and a few others <span style="font-style: italic">drill</span> flash holes) off center, mostly in Winchester and LC brass. I have yet to see a discernible difference in group size, but I suppose they could effect it.
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I just got 500 new winchester brass and some of the holes was punched way off center..
I just got 500 new winchester brass and some of the holes was punched way off center..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Needless to say this will be headed back to Redding. </div></div>
Are you one of those gigantic Texans? That rod is big time bent!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Needless to say this will be headed back to Redding. </div></div>
Are you one of those gigantic Texans? That rod is big time bent!
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Part of me says that's a hell of a bummer and best of luck on the company working to keep a customer.
The other part of me says that punching primers is like cleaning your ears -- when you feel resistance...it's probably a good time to stop.
Part of me says that's a hell of a bummer and best of luck on the company working to keep a customer.
The other part of me says that punching primers is like cleaning your ears -- when you feel resistance...it's probably a good time to stop.
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Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though.
Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though.
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When you call Redding and order the replacement parts, at your expense of course, go ahead and get a spare stem and pins to have on hand in case something like this happens again. If you load other chamberings besides 308 you can ask them to see what dies you have use a common stem, that way you know you are covered for more than just your 308. Go ahead and order spares as needed for your other chamberings.
If you ever find yourself with a lot of 308 brass with crimped in primers, it is a good idea to get a Lee decapping die with the solid stem. The Redding probably won't hold up to a lot of use with crimped in primers. My Forsters did not.
Good luck getting it all sorted out. Many of us have already been down this road.
When you call Redding and order the replacement parts, at your expense of course, go ahead and get a spare stem and pins to have on hand in case something like this happens again. If you load other chamberings besides 308 you can ask them to see what dies you have use a common stem, that way you know you are covered for more than just your 308. Go ahead and order spares as needed for your other chamberings.
If you ever find yourself with a lot of 308 brass with crimped in primers, it is a good idea to get a Lee decapping die with the solid stem. The Redding probably won't hold up to a lot of use with crimped in primers. My Forsters did not.
Good luck getting it all sorted out. Many of us have already been down this road.
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I've ran into a couple of cases with gummed up flash holes like you described. I just use me flas hole deburing tool. Cuts the holes just finethrn you can run them through a recapped if they're still primed
I've ran into a couple of cases with gummed up flash holes like you described. I just use me flas hole deburing tool. Cuts the holes just finethrn you can run them through a recapped if they're still primed
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I can understand the pin (been there) but to bend a rod it must have been aginst the bottom of the case. I set mine to just barely punch out the primer, start short then lower it slowly until it reaches the point of push out.
I can understand the pin (been there) but to bend a rod it must have been aginst the bottom of the case. I set mine to just barely punch out the primer, start short then lower it slowly until it reaches the point of push out.
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I had at one time a collection of 6 cases, different calibers, without flash holes at all. Factories aren't perfect. Which is an argument for using reloads for social encounters. You KNOW there is a hole under that primer. You don't KNOW if it is a factory new loading.
I had at one time a collection of 6 cases, different calibers, without flash holes at all. Factories aren't perfect. Which is an argument for using reloads for social encounters. You KNOW there is a hole under that primer. You don't KNOW if it is a factory new loading.
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Looks like you missed the hole.
Looks like you missed the hole.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though. </div></div>
Only to the better, but it's a small gain. It's common benchrest practice to ream the flash holes, debur the inside of the flash hole, and also uniform the primer pocket depth with a special tool. Like you, I see some pretty crappy flash holes, especially when the holes are punched. A couple of minutes when the brass is new and you don't have to worry about it again for the life of the brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though. </div></div>
Only to the better, but it's a small gain. It's common benchrest practice to ream the flash holes, debur the inside of the flash hole, and also uniform the primer pocket depth with a special tool. Like you, I see some pretty crappy flash holes, especially when the holes are punched. A couple of minutes when the brass is new and you don't have to worry about it again for the life of the brass.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like you missed the hole. </div></div>
God, I hate it when a woman says that to me...in any context.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like you missed the hole. </div></div>
God, I hate it when a woman says that to me...in any context.
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Received it back from Redding yesterday. They fixed me up, free of charge. Great customer service!
Received it back from Redding yesterday. They fixed me up, free of charge. Great customer service!
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+1 on the flash hole deburring tool
+1 on the flash hole deburring tool
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glad redding got you taken care of!
glad redding got you taken care of!
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Had the same thing happen to me also with a redding die. the de-cap rod had worked its way down and bottomed out on the head of the case. I was running the die in a dillon press and had just loaded about 300 rounds the then crunch game over.
Had the same thing happen to me also with a redding die. the de-cap rod had worked its way down and bottomed out on the head of the case. I was running the die in a dillon press and had just loaded about 300 rounds the then crunch game over.
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I've had the same thing happen on my 308 Hornady Dies. Their treaded shaft gets smaller right before the expander bulb. Basically a weak spot. Both times Hornady hooked me up, no questions asked. Actually, their automated phone system will even put a small smile on your face. Its unique.
The last time it happened they sent me a spare shaft just in case. I have since moved on to using a Lee universal decapper die and have removed the decapping pin from my dies. One time it happened with Win brass and twice with LC surplus brass.
Mike
I've had the same thing happen on my 308 Hornady Dies. Their treaded shaft gets smaller right before the expander bulb. Basically a weak spot. Both times Hornady hooked me up, no questions asked. Actually, their automated phone system will even put a small smile on your face. Its unique.
The last time it happened they sent me a spare shaft just in case. I have since moved on to using a Lee universal decapper die and have removed the decapping pin from my dies. One time it happened with Win brass and twice with LC surplus brass.
Mike
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though. </div></div>
That's why I buy Lapua brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OUVarmintHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, now looking at it, this was a new piece of brass. The hole is on center but it appears there is some extra globs of brass both on the inside of the case and in the primer pocket, obstructing about 50% of the hole.
You'd think you wouldn't have to look for that. Think I pony up and just buy the Norma next time.
Or I guess start drilling out my own holes. I would think that would effect my ES and SD though. </div></div>
That's why I buy Lapua brass.
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We had a Redding die today that shipped from factory with the wrong expander mandrel/button. The FL die was expanding the necks so wide that a bullet could drop through with about .005 clearance. It was a trip man, shaved brass was all up in it.
We had a Redding die today that shipped from factory with the wrong expander mandrel/button. The FL die was expanding the necks so wide that a bullet could drop through with about .005 clearance. It was a trip man, shaved brass was all up in it.
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Same thing happened to me with a well used Redding 308Win full-length resizing die. The decapping pin didn't go through the primer hole and pushed the decapping rod off to one side. Mine was less bent, but impossible to straighten out. I called Redding and they sent me a new decapping rod for free. I tried to borrow a decapping rod from another die, but they are all different. My "incident" happened the weekend before Thanksgiving and the Redding Co. takes off the entire following week for hunting in NY.
Same thing happened to me with a well used Redding 308Win full-length resizing die. The decapping pin didn't go through the primer hole and pushed the decapping rod off to one side. Mine was less bent, but impossible to straighten out. I called Redding and they sent me a new decapping rod for free. I tried to borrow a decapping rod from another die, but they are all different. My "incident" happened the weekend before Thanksgiving and the Redding Co. takes off the entire following week for hunting in NY.
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I would think to have bent the rod like that would take quit a bit of pressure. Something that would have told me right a way that something was wrong. If it's taking that much pressure to size the brass I would find a new lube. Most of my cases size very easily with Imperial Sizing wax. Probably single handily saved my reloading bench from total destruction when loading for the 7MM Rum. Since everything pretty much glides in. Just a thought I've bent a pin or two but nothing that drastic. I've also found crap in Winchester cases but found them when weight sorting cases. Only batch of Winchester and last I'll get for the 308 I found 3 cases out of the 500 that had shaving and pieces of brass in them but it showed up quickly since they were almost 5 grs heavier than the rest of the batch.
I would think to have bent the rod like that would take quit a bit of pressure. Something that would have told me right a way that something was wrong. If it's taking that much pressure to size the brass I would find a new lube. Most of my cases size very easily with Imperial Sizing wax. Probably single handily saved my reloading bench from total destruction when loading for the 7MM Rum. Since everything pretty much glides in. Just a thought I've bent a pin or two but nothing that drastic. I've also found crap in Winchester cases but found them when weight sorting cases. Only batch of Winchester and last I'll get for the 308 I found 3 cases out of the 500 that had shaving and pieces of brass in them but it showed up quickly since they were almost 5 grs heavier than the rest of the batch.
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I have bent/broke a quite a few depriming pins because i missed the flash hole.
I have also bent a few decapping rods because the lock nut got loose.
I have bent/broke a quite a few depriming pins because i missed the flash hole.
I have also bent a few decapping rods because the lock nut got loose.
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i have a 223 that i picked up off the range, the primer was hit and i thought it was a missfire, i pulled the bullet and powder then put it in my deprimer and "snap" there went the decapping pin, looked in case, no primer hole, used my berdan decapper and pulled that sob out of there to verify there wasnt a hole, there wasnt even a mark where the hole should be, so i guess the primer hole machine broke or something
i have a 223 that i picked up off the range, the primer was hit and i thought it was a missfire, i pulled the bullet and powder then put it in my deprimer and "snap" there went the decapping pin, looked in case, no primer hole, used my berdan decapper and pulled that sob out of there to verify there wasnt a hole, there wasnt even a mark where the hole should be, so i guess the primer hole machine broke or something
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pacomdiver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have a 223 that i picked up off the range, the primer was hit and i thought it was a missfire, i pulled the bullet and powder then put it in my deprimer and "snap" there went the decapping pin, looked in case, no primer hole, used my berdan decapper and pulled that sob out of there to verify there wasnt a hole, there wasnt even a mark where the hole should be, so i guess the primer hole machine broke or something </div></div>
I think it was one of those new "Government Approved" rounds. That's the new standard tha Obambi & Pelosi (and many others) are pushing to all ammunition producting companies. Of course by being "Government Approved" these new rounds will also have a 2,000% tax rate increase.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pacomdiver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have a 223 that i picked up off the range, the primer was hit and i thought it was a missfire, i pulled the bullet and powder then put it in my deprimer and "snap" there went the decapping pin, looked in case, no primer hole, used my berdan decapper and pulled that sob out of there to verify there wasnt a hole, there wasnt even a mark where the hole should be, so i guess the primer hole machine broke or something </div></div>
I think it was one of those new "Government Approved" rounds. That's the new standard tha Obambi & Pelosi (and many others) are pushing to all ammunition producting companies. Of course by being "Government Approved" these new rounds will also have a 2,000% tax rate increase.
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I picked up a RCBS decapper last year some time, I had 2k 45 auto brass I wanted to decap before cleaning. I broke the pin on about the 10th case. Ran to Cabela's and got a 5 pack of spare pins. I broke 4 before I got through 500 of the cases. I got on the RCBS website and ordered a bag of 50 pins for only three times the cost of a five pack. I'm still using the last pin out of the 5 pack. I've decapped thousands of rounds with that pin, mostly once fired, crimped LC brass. Still have the 50 bag sealed. Awesome how things work like that sometimes.
I picked up a RCBS decapper last year some time, I had 2k 45 auto brass I wanted to decap before cleaning. I broke the pin on about the 10th case. Ran to Cabela's and got a 5 pack of spare pins. I broke 4 before I got through 500 of the cases. I got on the RCBS website and ordered a bag of 50 pins for only three times the cost of a five pack. I'm still using the last pin out of the 5 pack. I've decapped thousands of rounds with that pin, mostly once fired, crimped LC brass. Still have the 50 bag sealed. Awesome how things work like that sometimes.
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Hell , I saw the title and thought...Why are they posting about playing golf in the reloading section?
Hell , I saw the title and thought...Why are they posting about playing golf in the reloading section?
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9sig, yeah thats one of those "safety rounds"
9sig, yeah thats one of those "safety rounds"
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