I don’t know what we are becoming

[Nik H]

Having dinner at a bar. Sitting next to 2 ex-Marines. We talked about a lot of things that we all agreed on.

We started started talking about gun laws since the bartender knows my hobby. Their attitude was that no civilian should own an “assault” weapon. I made the mistake of arguing the point and they got rather irate and left.

WTF?? This shows me how fucked we are. I was shocked at their beliefs.

We are doomed when these type of individuals believe this type of stuff

 

[RNWRKNP]

I have yet to meet a vet that didn’t applaud responsible gun ownership and encourage it. If shit truly and squarely hit the electrical rotating device, we’re the JV squad protecting home plate with our boys in uniform potentially abroad.

 

[diverdon]

Civilians do not have a monopoly on idiots.

 

[mdmp5]

Civilians do not have a monopoly on idiots.

So true. Once in a while you come across some sanctimonious dick military who is a self proclaimed expert on weapon ownership because he carried one. Looking down on us lowly citizens

 

[Nik H]

Civilians do not have a monopoly on idiots.

I am still incredulous

 

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Meh..... everyone is entitled to be wrong.......these 2 assholes are no exception...just so long as they don’t push their bullshit on anyone else.

Although it really puts things into perspective........ because it highlights how little regard some people who wear the uniform take their oaths.....

I have no doubt what so ever that if they were ordered to consficate guns, they would have teams of volunteers lining up to do it

 

[DuneBoer]

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Dune, for those of us who missed the memo..... Who'ssat?

 

[ArmyJerry]

Every MP and Academy grad ever. Unfriend non like minded people, even relatives. you will be happier, plus you won't feel bad when doing whats gonna have to be done in the near future.

So true. Once in a while you come across some sanctimonious dick military who is a self proclaimed expert on weapon ownership because he carried one. Looking down on us lowly citizens

 

[DuneBoer]

Dune, for those of us who missed the memo..... Who'ssat?

Col Ralph Peters

 

[QuickNDirty]

Every MP and Academy grad ever. Unfriend non like minded people, even relatives. you will be happier, plus you won't feel bad when doing whats gonna have to be done in the near future.

You know how to friend people?

 

[Veer_G]

I am still incredulous

Reflect upon your incredulity when someone states that, in their opinion, our military and police would never act against the Constitution. Some of them would.

 

[vh20]

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And don't forget McChrystal.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Wow. Ban the interwebz and go back to quill's, eh? So he/they are only willing to support and defend "parts" of the Constitution?

That is the definition of a "domestic enemy", is it not?

 

[j-huskey]

Nik,
Half in jest, half not, there is no such thing as an ex-marine..... if u referred to them as that u might have offended them. They are former serving marines....
They are mostly pretty touchy about that ex thing (I think partially because of all their ex wives....), and every now and then they try to put us Jody civilians (Who did their ex wives into ex wives) back in our places.... ?
Hard to talk guns with somebody whose real short gun didn't measure up to the outsiders....
Let the few, the proud, the former serving Marines now sacrifice me on the back 40 for that heresy I just wrote. ?

Nooooo Redman, don't go get Tony..... nooo...
I will behave now...

 

[FS1]

Were they trannys?

 

[Nik H]

Every MP and Academy grad ever. Unfriend non like minded people, even relatives. you will be happier, plus you won't feel bad when doing whats gonna have to be done in the near future.

I have begun this a while ago

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I have no doubt what so ever that if they were ordered to consficate guns, they would have teams of volunteers lining up to do it

I hope so, as once you get a taste of hunting American traitors, you can never get enough of it, try it you'll find you'll like it!!!!!
While the crowd that's in lock step is out an about, so will be the singles/groups that hunt them. Normally lock steppers are never as good as they think they are, an once you prove that to them, many just fad away. When it starts Reality is going to be a instant wake up call for many!
Three basic things required for life, water, eating & breathing. What you can't see, hear, taste, or feel can kill you.

 

[Nik H]

Nik,
Half in jest, half not, there is no such thing as an ex-marine..... if u referred to them as that u might have offended them. They are former serving marines....
They are mostly pretty touchy about that ex thing (I think partially because of all their ex wives....), and every now and then they try to put us Jody civilians (Who did their ex wives into ex wives) back in our places.... ?
Hard to talk guns with somebody whose real short gun didn't measure up to the outsiders....
Let the few, the proud, the former serving Marines now sacrifice me on the back 40 for that heresy I just wrote. ?

Nooooo Redman, don't go get Tony..... nooo...
I will behave now...

Never used the phrase ex Marine. I know better. When we began talking, I thanked them for their service and bought them a beer.

Funny that you mention the ex wife thing because the one with the loudest opinion was going through a divorce which is what started the conversation.

 

[EddieNFL]

I don’t know what we are becoming

Best guess...Chinese. Get your Rosetta Stone Mandarin CDs before the rush.

 

[gearguywb]

I take a different stance. I don't want to unfriend those that don't believe in the 2nd Amendment. Rather, I want to continue to point out the facts from a gun owners position.

I have an in-law who is a far left, highly intelligent, and highly vocal. Everyone walks on egg shells around her. Bullshit. IMHO she needs to be called out and have a respectful, yet pointed conversation showing her the other side of issues.

 

[FS1]

I take a different stance. I don't want to unfriend those that don't believe in the 2nd Amendment. Rather, I want to continue to point out the facts from a gun owners position.

I have an in-law who is a far left, highly intelligent, and highly vocal. Everyone walks on egg shells around her. Bullshit. IMHO she needs to be called out and have a respectful, yet pointed conversation showing her the other side of issues.

After Obamagate drops she is gonna be a real hoot to be around.

 

[gearguywb]

After Obamagate drops she is gonna be a real hoot to be around.

She is already a lot of fun........

She unfriended me on FB the day after the election

 

[j-huskey]

She is already a lot of fun........

She unfriended me on FB the day after the election

Now that is one ungrateful b.... ! ??

 

[gearguywb]

Her comment: Anyone that did not vote like I did can not be my friend.....from the party of open mindedness.....

 

[GM795]

Opinions are like assholes, everybody knows one who’s got one.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Maybe 20 years or so back, there was some low level discussion about what to call ourselves, maybe especially in the presence of non-Marines.

A lot of folks got all proper and huffy about this, and I sorta decided to step over aside a step or two, because sometimes it looked like there was going to be some kinetic settlement coming that general way. For my own part, I thought there was getting to be some Olympic class hair splitting coming on down.

Well, when it all shook out, the term "Formerly Active Marine" was being touted around. I thought that was so PC it was doomed for failure.

My own preference was, and is, "Marine Veteran". or "Veteran Marine".

Now, I know my own views on Marines and guns outside the purview of official Service activity. I know because I was the founding Chairman of the Marine Corps League NJ Shooting program back in the mid-late '90's.

Our emphasis was, and probably still is, to provide a recreational outlet to Marine Veterans and their families in as many disciplines as we could organize and run in safe and responsible manner. It took off, and although I've been out of that aspect since 1998, it was in great hands and thriving when I left, under the guidance of Don "Bucky" Malson.

There have always been a few overbearing spiff heads in the ranks and outside the ranks who feel compelled to impose their authority as means to advance personal views. I've been recently accused of something like that myself. But where I make suggestion, sometimes in unambiguous terms, I'm not obligating others to anything. I do not exercise any such authority, nor would I wish to. The Bozos I'm describing are bringing down some very real hammers on people in their individual chains of command, under the color of real command authority. That's just wrong. But some of the subordinates adopt said verse as gospel, and that's where I think the event under discussion has its origins.

We are not becoming anything different from what we already are. But there are newer generations at work here, and some of the stuff that's being floated around is just a new flock of lower density turds.

Vigilance is never wasted.

Greg

 

[pmclaine]

Maybe 20 years or so back, there was some low level discussion about what to call ourselves, maybe especially in the presence of non-Marines.

A lot of folks got all proper and huffy about this, and I sorta decided to step over aside a step or two, because sometimes it looked like there was going to be some kinetic settlement coming that general way. For my own part, I thought there was getting to be some Olympic class hair splitting coming on down.

Well, when it all shook out, the term "Formerly Active Marine" was being touted around. I thought that was so PC it was doomed for failure.

My own preference was, and is, "Marine Veteran". or "Veteran Marine".

Greg

Its just "Marine".

Thats it.

No former, no ex, no veteran.

Its Marine.

You took an oath, you earned an EGA.

Do your job and live your life according to the standards of those that went before you and after you.

 

[Nik H]

I would imagine they are young and naive, probably not deployed, or deployed but still young and naive.

Its just "Marine".

Thats it.

No former, no ex, no veteran.

Its Marine.

You took an oath, you earned an EGA.

Do your job and live your life according to the standards of those that went before you and after you.

38-40 years old. Served in the ME for several years

Crying shame

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Yes, that has always been my take as well, and the mindset I use daily. But that's among my fellow Marines.

There are a grand majority who are not heirs of our Corps, and they often think differently from we Few. So for their sake, I speak in their terms.

It's like speaking Spanish with Hispanics, or French with French Canadiens. We at least make the effort.

As my Drill Instructor taught us, "The first thing a Marine is, is a gentleman". At the current moment, that particular Marine is the Adjutant of a local AZ VFW Post, as am I to mine.

Greg

 

[pmclaine]

38-40 years old. Served in the ME for several years

Crying shame

Disregard that first line. I eliminated it in my post.

At first I was in my own mind trying to explain these two but than I figured there is no explanation.

In my youth I worked at a gun store, high school, just doing stuff like sweeping and cleaning the basement.

I remember seeing an AR in the rack and because of the brainwashing on TV at the time I thought the only reason for one was to rob banks or arm cops to arrest bank robbers.

It was late 70s/early 80s pictures of Patty Hearst, weather underground types, SLA still in the news and for a 14-15 year old kid that was the image.

Still living under the care of mommy and daddy that can be excused

but when you become an adult you realize you must care for yourself and in the big picture that includes the intended understanding of the Second Amendment.

The only reason those Marines have the views they do is the selfish belief that it would be "No MSRs for you. Only professionals like us".

Truth be told I only qualified once with an M-16 after boot camp while in the Infantry than yearly with my sidearm on Embassy Duty. Not exactly highly trained. It was the late 80s. Im sure things are better.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I got to be in a fam-fire of the first USMC AR's about two weeks before rotating back home from 'Nam. They were heavier than they looked, and they looked like the plastic Mattel toy guns we had grown up playing with. The lesson plan was for two mags of full auto. Since I had been the squad M-60 gunner, that was no big thing; but most of the rest just fell into the spray and pray mantra. I was just in awe of the huge accumulation of spent brass expended for so few holes in the 55 gallon drums that were serving as targets. We were told the ammo loadout would be lighter. I had my doubts about that.

Then we went South from Qua Viet and did an Amtrac MedEvac/General Evac of some soldiers who had about every M-16 they carried jammed with beach sand and were Winchester on their ammo feeding the few that would still fire. It was awesome. Awesome in a way that turned the stomach.

I held onto my M14 until a went home a few weeks later in November of '67. I didn't buy my first AR15 until just about 2000.

Greg

 

[Former0302]

I see it as not too different from police officers who don't support the 2A. Most do, but some feel like they are privileged above and beyond the common citizen because of their job.

I've found that if you have the time to discuss things, most in that category of folks can be steered our way.

 

[schmi015]

Maybe 20 years or so back, there was some low level discussion about what to call ourselves, maybe especially in the presence of non-Marines.

A lot of folks got all proper and huffy about this, and I sorta decided to step over aside a step or two, because sometimes it looked like there was going to be some kinetic settlement coming that general way. For my own part, I thought there was getting to be some Olympic class hair splitting coming on down.

Well, when it all shook out, the term "Formerly Active Marine" was being touted around. I thought that was so PC it was doomed for failure.

My own preference was, and is, "Marine Veteran". or "Veteran Marine".

Now, I know my own views on Marines and guns outside the purview of official Service activity. I know because I was the founding Chairman of the Marine Corps League NJ Shooting program back in the mid-late '90's.

Our emphasis was, and probably still is, to provide a recreational outlet to Marine Veterans and their families in as many disciplines as we could organize and run in safe and responsible manner. It took off, and although I've been out of that aspect since 1998, it was in great hands and thriving when I left, under the guidance of Don "Bucky" Malson.

Their have always been a few overbearing spiff heads in the ranks and outside the ranks who feel compelled to impose their authority as means to advance personal views. I've been recently accused of something like that myself. But where I make suggestion, sometimes in unambiguous terms, I'm not obligating others to anything. I do not exercise any such authority, nor would I wish to. The Bozos I'm describing are bringing down some very real hammers on people in their individual chains of command, under the color of real command authority. That's just wrong. But some of the subordinates adopt said verse as gospel, and that's where I think the event under discussion has its origins.

We are not becoming anything different from what we already are. But there are newer generations at work here, and some of the stuff that's being floated around is just a new flock of lower density turds.

Vigilance is never wasted.

Greg

Its just "Marine".

Thats it.

No former, no ex, no veteran.

Its Marine.

You took an oath, you earned an EGA.

Do your job and live your life according to the standards of those that went before you and after you.

Gentlemen you can simply say I was a Marine, now just not so lean. From you former Army friend Schmi015.

 

[EddieNFL]

Its just "Marine".

Thats it.

No former, no ex, no veteran.

Its Marine.

You took an oath, you earned an EGA.

Do your job and live your life according to the standards of those that went before you and after you.

I call my Marine friends, "Marine.s" I did serve with a LTC who said he was considered an ex-Marine as he jumped ship.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I see it as not too different from police officers who don't support the 2A. Most do, but some feel like they are privileged above and beyond the common citizen because of their job.

I've found that if you have the time to discuss things, most in that category of folks can be steered our way.

What you're describing is exactly how Gibb's is portrayed in that popular tv show. Only 'he' is good enough,,, not anyone else. So many other venues are portrayed as such, in the 'daily media' that it is sickening.

Elitism.....

 

[ArmyJerry]

I typically call marines shithead, fuck face, and sometimes stupid fucking fuckface shithead douchebag, keeps things simple, avoids doubt about offending them or pissing them off.

 

[Redmanss]

Nooooo Redman, don't go get Tony..... nooo...
I will behave now...

Tony's too busy planning his east coast exfil and I'm getting ready for another weekend of hiking and trout fishing since I already accomplished mine, so we'll let you slide. This time...

On topic for a bit of understanding, applying to both Marines and the rest of the branches as well. There's a couple hundred thousand Marines active and reserve at any given time, with a turnover of around 40k/yr. That's a lot of folks, and you're always going to have a broad cross section of society in there. While in, they may understand the basics of weaponry and its employment, even be able to spout off the cycle of operation of an M16/M4 because they chanted it over and over in boot camp, but the average Marine is clueless on what really makes a weapon work outside the basics. Most never fire a rifle outside of their service time, and many have never fired a handgun ever. When you start talking about ballistics, your average Hide member leaves them in the dust as most know nothing beyond range to target and a wind chart in a data book. Suffice it to say, especially outside of combat arms, just because someone was in the Marine Corps certainly doesn't mean they know firearms.

While the vast majority of military members are conservative leaning, mostly because they value defense of their nation, that same cross section mentioned above applies to their political leanings as well. The military is a young organization, and many early adults are inclined to be left leaning to outright Bernie supporting socialists, as the youth were his base. They come from the same family influences as the rest of America's youth who are in colleges, and we all know about the average college student's leanings. When they get out, many go to the universities that are dominated by leftist preaching professors with an ingrained nature to listen to their teachers. Most are smart enough to see through the indoctrination of college, but not all.

And then you have those select few across both military and law enforcement with an entitlement complex, where they believe their own bullshit that only they are capable of protecting the nation and its citizenry, like they are the keepers of the people. These are the worst kind of service members, who take what was intended in the Constitutional powers granted to the people, and morph it into a perverted form of fascism where the people exist because the government permits them to. Fuck those people.

But after all that, if you run into them again, tell them this Gunnery Sergeant said they should shut their stupid boot fucking pogue mouths and read the Constitution they swore to uphold and protect again.

 

[pmclaine]

I typically call marines shithead, fuck face, and sometimes stupid fucking fuckface shithead douchebag, keeps things simple, avoids doubt about offending them or pissing them off.

I love it when you talk dirty but I still wont take you to the dance.........

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Sounds like a wall flower...; always early to the dance, never gets to...

Jerry, you're OK in my book.

In fact, your character will probably be in it...

 

[Nik H]

And then you have those select few across both military and law enforcement with an entitlement complex, where they believe their own bullshit that only they are capable of protecting the nation and its citizenry, like they are the keepers of the people. These are the worst kind of service members, who take what was intended in the Constitutional powers granted to the people, and morph it into a perverted form of fascism where the people exist because the government permits them to. Fuck those people.

But after all that, if you run into them again, tell them this Gunnery Sergeant said they should shut their stupid boot fucking pogue mouths and read the Constitution they swore to uphold and protect again.

When i replay the whole thing in my mind, I believe that your first paragraph nails the issue. When we talked about topics non-shooting related, they were OK. When we moved to talking about a variety of shooting subjects, their attitude was pretty condescending about all of it. They had no idea what PRS was about. I explained what it was and showed them some pictures from a couple of matches that I shot. The loud mouth's comment was something to the effect of weekend warriors playing like soldiers. I let it slide. He spent a good 5 minutes telling me that until you have been shot at and had to return fire, you don't know anything about shooting. I almost said if you were as large then as you are now, it wouldn't take much of a shot to take your fat ass out. However, I didn't. It went downhill after that.

I really had to bite my tongue as there were two of them and I am 20 years older but I really wanted to tell them exactly what you said in your last sentence.

 

[pmclaine]

"until you have been shot at and had to return fire, you don't know anything about shooting. "

You can know a lot about shooting without having been "under fire".

You might learn a lot of things about yourself while under fire but its not the time to learn about shooting.

In fact its a little late at that point.

Wouldnt be surprised if they were stolen valor types looking for someone to buy a few rounds of beer.

 

[Nik H]

I wish I had thought of that as it is sage wisdom.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Don't let asswipes get to you, there are a lot of them out there. I have flash visions of me stomping them, the smile I get when having these flash visions elicits nervous laughter from said asswipe. if you click your heels on the jungle boots you too will get these flash visions, it is therapeutic.

 

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He spent a good 5 minutes telling me that until you have been shot at and had to return fire, you don't know anything about shooting.

huh.....ive been shot at......didnt teach me shit about shooting.......taught me a lot about running though.

what did teach me about shooting?.......4yrs NCAA Rifle.....earning my NRA master classification.....becoming a certified Instructor.......

but im not a bar room badass....so what do i know?

 

[QuickNDirty]

I'm too damn lazy to run from gunfire. More of the get behind cover and see wtf kinda guy?

 

[ArmyJerry]

Yup

I'm too damn lazy to run from gunfire. More of the get behind cover and see wtf kinda guy?

 

[Veer_G]

I'm too damn lazy to run from gunfire. More of the get behind cover and see wtf kinda guy?

People are either wired to run from it, shit streaming down their legs, or move towards it judiciously.

 

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People are either wired to run from it, shit streaming down their legs, or move towards it judiciously.

first rule of a gun fight......dont be in a gun fight.
second rule of a gun fight......have a gun.

didnt have a gun so i stuck to rule #1

 

[tnichols]

She is already a lot of fun........

She unfriended me on FB the day after the election

Sore loser.