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IMPORTANT!! PSA for ALL Reloaders

I just had a very real incident happen tonight. I had a friend stop by while I was reloading in my garage. I left to go have some beers with him in the house. Not more than five minutes later, we all hear popping noises. For some reason, I knew exactly what it was. Sure enough, I go back into my garage and gun smoke has filled the room. I cautiously approached my reloading bench as rounds are still popping off and see charged, but bullet-less cases burning one by one. Luckily for me, I have five fire extiguishers in my garage, so both me and my buddy go to town unloading all of them on the reloading bench, followed by several spray bottles of water.
The aftermath:
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Most of the popping I heard was a box of .22 LR I had on the bench, some of it, some fully loaded .308 rounds in a plastic container. Luckily the cases exploded and the bullets didnt have enough energy to penetrate the walls or ceiling from what I can see:
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I'm still trying to figure out what started all this, but I found a possible culprit. This CFL bulb looks like it exploded, however Im not sure if a bullet hit it, or if it blew on its own accord:
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As a testament to RCBS, my Chargemaster had half a container of powder in it, which all got cooked out, however the Chargemaster still turns on:
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Luckily the only damage so far is all of my bullet cases, an MTM maintenance station, maybe a few dies, and part of my bench. Oh, and my ego...
If it wasnt for my fire extinguishers, I'd probably be sleeping on the street right now.
PLEASE PLEASE, always consider safety first. Dont ever smoke while reloading, make sure your reloading equipment as well as surrounding equipment is safe, and never leave your reloading station unattended unless you are absolutely sure everything is properly stored and safe. After this incident I am definitely buying a fire proof cabinet for all flammable items. Its sad it takes an incident like this for me to consider taking extra safety steps, but it happens.
 
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I'm glad there was no serious damage. While the fire damage looks serious, it could have been a lot worse. I'm glad no one was injured.

I'll about bet if you send the photos and a statement to RCBS you might get some free equipment. Their hardware, (presses and dies) I'm sure they will replace.

Safety first.
 
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Jeez... this is sobering. I'm glad nobody was hurt, and not a huge amount of damage was done. Definitely looks hard to clean up.

Get back to us if you know the culprit, I'll be watching intently.
 
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Are either one of you smoker's? I've had at least a dozen of those "green" lightbulbs fail-always the ballast and with no smoke or fire. If I'm not mistaken florescent lighting is the only type allowed in closets and is VERY safe,I'd bet the source of ignition was some other source.Light bulb?I doubt it.

Glad nothing worse happened. I never leave ANY powder out unattended-ever.Problem is,you weren't there so you'll probably never figure out what really happened. A fire usually ruins what is normally an enjoyable evening.

Very good point on loose primers. All you'd need is a wayward mouse,a house cat or other little critter to run across the bench and knock something heavy into a container of them.After all they are meant to be shock sensitive.

Since I made this post I went into my shop and sacrificed one of those curly bulbs by tapping at it with a rubber mallet, it took a sharp hit to break-no sparks,some white powder-NOTHING ELSE other than darkness.Breaker was not tripped either.It failed where the tubes come out of the ballast. My guess some debris may have broken yours. All my incandescent bulbs have industrial type shields. You post intrigued me as I have a shit load of those bulbs throughout my home (1 dollar each on sale-sponsored by our power company). I'm confident that they are safe. Sorry, as a former Police Arson Investigator this type of incident fascinates me.

I hope you can really narrow this down-90% of us probably reload and I personally would love to know what happened.
 
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What was sitting where the fire extinguisher is in the first pic? Seems like everything around that was burned away, and the fire was spreading outward hot enough to eat up the plastic quite quickly. Any chemicals that were around that area? Sometimes 2 chemicals may mix, and end up getting hot enough to cause themselves, or surrounding combustibles to ignite. I think in all honesty that it was a freak accident. I don't think that a primer exploding in open air would ignite much of anything. IIRC mythbusters did a test of igniting loose powder with a primer and it failed to ignite the powder (smokeless that is). Powder burning would burn up quickly, and melt plastic, but I don't think you had 8lbs of powder sitting on the bench without a lid, let alone sitting in a bowl.

My tip of the day for ALL reloaders.......smoke alarms, the type that is set off with excess heat if you have the dough or access to them. Powder burns with very little smoke, but a lot of heat. A heat alarm might give you more advance notice to act before more damage, or to evacuate before the 12 million primers you've been hoarding explode.

Lastly, kudos on having fire extinguishers around, that's something that i've just informed the wife that I need to get in my "gun room".

Branden
 
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Eye opener to say the least!
I shall be purchasing a couple extra extinguishers this weekend after Reading this,
I know the fire HAD to be put out, but I bet it was damn un-nerving to get close while rounds were popping off!
Thank goodness no injuries.
 
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Glad to hear that there's minimal damage. Also glad that ya'll put it out yourselves.

As recommended earlier, contact RCBS. They truly are great to deal with regarding repair/replacement of their equipment.

Great Job with having the fire-extinguishers handy, charged, and available. I'm wondering how many others have such already? Myself, I've a 25lb CO2 right beside the doorway. When I've the money, I'll be getting another Dry-Chem for a primary.

And also, if/when you do find out the actual culprit, let us know. As NONE of us would want that to happen to us.


You may not feel it, but you have been Blessed!
 
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Damn, glad to hear that you are ok, the damage looks bad, but I think a good cleaning will reveal some salvagability. I'll be keeping tabs on this to find out the cause.
 
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Like I said, Im not 100% sure it was the CFL.. I just found it to be the only thing that may have contributed to it, as it is directly over my reloading bench. We had a thunderstorm roll through a few hours earlier and were having power surges all night, but again, Im not sure if CFLs can become explosive during power spikes. The only other thing I can think of right now is I just put a surge protector strip near my outlet that same day and plugged everything into it. It was a pretty old power strip, but there was no evidence of fire coming from it.
I tallied up the damage, one 50 round MTM case, one 100 round MTM case, one MTM glun maintenance station, a Blue Point electronic caliper, a 9mm set of carbide dies, a mosquito fan, a gun cleaning kit and several bags of patches, about 200 rounds of loaded 9mm ammo, 100 9mm cases, 50ish rounds of loaded Lapua Lock Base 170 gr bullets in Lapua brass (my biggest loss) and that may hit 100 if I am unable to save the rest from the melted case, 150 rounds of .22 LR, and the brand new bench top I installed a few weeks ago.
 
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Static electric discharge??!!

I mention this because as of about one hour ago, I walked on the carpet, and as I reached my workbench, I got a shock from a screwdriver that I touched, near my supply of powder that I use to handload each round individually. The episode got me to wondering about what could happen, and then I see this thread.

Just speculating out loud, and I'm glad you are okay from what must've been scary as hell.
 
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Wow, glad you were home. Thanks for posting this.

I'm going to buy a smoke alarm for my reloading room (should have already had one) and get a couple of more fire extinguishers for other parts of the house.

Our house is 3 stories and I just realized I only have 2 fire extinguishers. Major brain fart on my part...........

Keith
 
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Woooooowwww that sure is... damn thats bad

Sorry to hear your reloading room went to sh*t!

Glad no one was hurt tho.

Please inform us if you work out what started this
 
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Any chance the spikes could have hit the Charge Master, it sparked and ignited the powder it was holding? If you were having spikes and using a $9 old power strip....
Any directional burn marks from strange places on the Charge Master?

/shot in the dark

Glad no one was hurt!
 
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Take a look at the power supply for the Chargemaster. Those "wallwarts" are from the lowest bidder in China and are not the most reliable nor thermally stable bit of electronics. Left plugged in the internals are always drawing a bit of current...the amount necessary for the internal transformer to work. Feel a good one plugged in and you'll feel the heat. Something shorts out inside and full house current can start fires. Although since you said that the Chargemaster turns on, it is probably ok. Sort of like those convenient wall dimmers...they can get too hot for my pleasure. JMHO
 
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Wow, that is bad...What type fire extinguisher did you use? Was it effective on the burning powder, or was the powder burned out by the time you got to it?
I wonder what is the best type of extinguisher to use on a gunpowder fire? I would guess water, because of the oxidizer in the powder. wet powder doesn't seem to burn too easily....
 
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Its a good thing that you got home in time, thats no-count to have your reloading gear go up like that. I have made it a habit that if I drop powder I immediately stuff bullets, I just dont like the idea of loose powder sitting out in the open. A long time back me and a buddy of mine were loading some up in the garage and I had my back turned to him, he was smoking and was dropping IMR 4064 in some cases. It just so happened that he was using an old IMR 4064 can for his butt can. Well I probably dont have to tell you what happpened, lets just say I heard a noise like a jet engine firing up behind me and turned to see a two foot blue flame coming out of the can that my buddy "thought" was his butt can and it so happens it was a full pound of IMR. No major damage but none the less I banned smoking in my garage at that point. A fire extinguisher is an outstanding idea along with solid reloading protocol.
 
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I cannot believe that anyone would smoke while reloading (much less dropping powder!), no matter if it was a "long time back". That's like working on small appliances while they are plugged in, in your bathtub. Natural selection at work, I guess.
 
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I had a buddy of mine who is an arson investigator for our sheriff's department come by and assess the damage. He said it was pretty unlikely that the CFL caused it. He said when most CFL's explode, its just a vapor that immediately extinguishes when it hits oxygen. His thoughts were that it may have been a static electricity spark, given how charged the air was the past few nights and the amount of plastic on the bench..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: In da weeds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a buddy of mine who is an arson investigator for our sheriff's department come by and assess the damage. He said it was pretty unlikely that the CFL caused it. He said when most CFL's explode, its just a vapor that immediately extinguishes when it hits oxygen. His thoughts were that it may have been a static electricity spark, given how charged the air was the past few nights and the amount of plastic on the bench.. </div></div>

Yeah, I'm no expert and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night, but something drastic happened.

I've got a million wall warts plugged in here and I'm in the second greatest lightning area on planet Earth, however while lightning strikes can kill electronics (CM 1500) they usually don't explode them.

I have a FE here, in the kitchen, but I might just buy another one for the reloading room and keep it nearby.

I'm glad the damage is minimal, but I'd want to know what happened.

Chris
 
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Another observation I noticed which you all may take into consideration in case something like this happens- when I hosed down the flames with dry chemical extinguishers, it did a good job of putting out the flames, however it didnt do shit to cool off the brass and lead which occasionally flared up more flames. I know C)2 fire extinguishers are hard to come by nowadays, but find one, or go to Home Depot, and they sell these small aerosol cans of liquid extinguisher ( ttp://www.lowes.com/pd_120325-347-AF400_0_?productId=3009906&Ntt=fire%20extinguisher&Ntk=i_products&pl=1&currentURL=/pl__0__s?newSearch=true$Ntt=fire%20extinguisher$y=0$x=0 ).
Also, I just found out that the dry chemical is corrosive on some metals. Some of it managed to get into my range bag where I had my GP6 pistol and it destroyed the finish on the slide as well as the barrel..
 
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I have all of the devices including the light for my reloading bench running through a powerstrip that I turn off before walking away. You can hear all of the wall warts humming when its on.
I think the silver lining of this may be that a lot of us are probably going to be even more diligent about safety. I know I went out yesterday and bought a much needed fire extinguisher shortly after reading this, so thanks for posting. I hope you can claim all of your damages on your home owner's policy.
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I'm glad to see that this turned out ok, and no serious damage was incurred. Obviously yo uworry about your reloading equipment, but I'm glad the house or garage didn't go up. It was pretty intense, whatever it was. On that back wall, left side looks to me like where the fire originated too. Whatever those big nails were house in on the window sill (looks like paper) was burned, but nothing else around it, which makes me think flash. There's a container a little further back and to the right by the actual window, that you can see was burned as well. I'm definitely not an expert of any kind, but that and the little black mark on the wall to the left and below the nails box makes me think it was a fast quick flash in that area.

I do want to mention something about CFL bulbs. We do use them around our house and haven't had a problem, BUT I know some people that have had problems with them. My father is a master electrician, and we've had questions and complains from 3 different customers on CFL's. 2 of the customers told dad that when they turned the light bulb on, it flashed and there was an open flame coming out of where the bulb meets the plastic. They put it out, but I've heard 2 different accounts of CFL's doing that, and the 3rd person's looked just exactly like the other two. They had my dad change out the fixtures, and the ones that saw the fire lost faith in CFL bulbs, and do NOT use them anymore. I haven't seen this personally happen with a CFL, but like I said, 2 of my dad's customers (who are trusted friends), have had that particular experience, and I've seen the burned fixtures that would support their stories. While it may not be common, I guess it does happen. I don't see any burn marks in the places where those peope reported it happening on their CFL's, but I guess it could also happen on the side. Maybe the CFL was broke from shrapnel, but I mention this so that others know what does sometimes happen with CFL's.