Increased wait times for gun purchases?

[Srikaleak]

FBI expands database for background checks

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/13/628426648/fbi-to-start-using-a-2nd-database-for-gun-background-checks

The N-dex database is where state and local officials voluntarily submit reports and incidents to the FBI. Previously NICS were not allowed to use this database for background checks. Pilot program commencing on using N-Dex as a double check for applicants.

 

[MtnCreek]

That's not what the article said. It stated the second database would be used for additional info if something was flagged in NICS. Based on the linked article, it would be an accurate statement to say this would result in faster background checks.

 

[Srikaleak]

That's not what the article said. It stated the second database would be used for additional info if something was flagged in NICS. Based on the linked article, it would be an accurate statement to say this would result in faster background checks.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Sure some red flags would get caught but if someone doesn't show up in NICS but they have a laundry list of items in NDex then what? Ignore NDex because nothing was in NICS? I think what'll happen is they will change the procedure to always include NDex searches. With 400 million records and the buying of lowest bidder IT I foresee extended wait times for transfers, especially NFA.

 

[MtnCreek]

That's not what your linked article said. Using the additional database for all transfers could result in more checks timing out, so the transfer could then be completed before the check is complete. That defeats the purpose. I don't think you understand how it works.

Of the 8 months getting a stamp, how much of that time is spent on background checks (2)? I don't know the answer to that. Maybe 30 min? I don't think you understand what you're talking about.

 

[MtnCreek]

BTW, If you live in a shithole State that requires a NICS check be completed for every purchase, you need to raise hell with your State legislature.

 

[hlee]

That's not what your linked article said. Using the additional database for all transfers could result in more checks timing out, so the transfer could then be completed before the check is complete. That defeats the purpose. I don't think you understand how it works.

Of the 8 months getting a stamp, how much of that time is spent on background checks (2)? I don't know the answer to that. Maybe 30 min? I don't think you understand what you're talking about.

That’s the hell of it, and what many don’t understand. If the NICS check “times out” (meaning it takes longer than the prescribed max amount of time) but does not come back with a denial, the FFL is to proceed with the transfer. If, later the NICS check finishes with a denial, the FBI sends that information to the ATF who is tasked with retrieving the firearm.

 

[Srikaleak]

That’s the hell of it, and what many don’t understand. If the NICS check “times out” (meaning it takes longer than the prescribed max amount of time) but does not come back with a denial, the FFL is to proceed with the transfer. If, later the NICS check finishes with a denial, the FBI sends that information to the ATF who is tasked with retrieving the firearm.

Ahhh ok I didn't know that. I have an LTC so it doesn't really affect me. But thanks for the new knowledge @MtnCreek and @hlee.
So going along with new database leads to more timeouts: either they will have to increase the timeout time or increase the systems capabilities for faster recall to prevent timeouts and violent people getting their handson guns, or make the ATF work that much harder chasing violent people who got their hands on guns due to timeouts.

 

[Waorani]

Just buy at a gunshow. Everyone knows you don't need a background check there!

 

[Downtown]

My state requires a NICS check for every purchase from a dealer. Is the alternative some type of firearm owners card or permit? Not sure that's better. I've only purchased in one state, so my view on this may be limited.

 

[MtnCreek]

@Downtown

Fed law doesn't require a NICS check if you have a carry permit (or similar) that meets certain requirements. In my State (GA), a weapons carry permit number is used in place of the NICS check number on the 4473. No call to NICS required.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Just buy at a gunshow.

Too many cameras, rag up an hit the hood. Better prices an the only place to get a prior throw down!
Caution, if your after a higher end product, you may have to put your order in an wait.

 

[Downtown]

@Downtown

Fed law doesn't require a NICS check if you have a carry permit (or similar) that meets certain requirements. In my State (GA), a weapons carry permit number is used in place of the NICS check number on the 4473. No call to NICS required.

That's a good system. My northern friends seem to have accepted the Firearm Owner ID card, but that seems like quite the imposition to me.

 

[Waorani]

@Downtown

Fed law doesn't require a NICS check if you have a carry permit (or similar) that meets certain requirements. In my State (GA), a weapons carry permit number is used in place of the NICS check number on the 4473. No call to NICS required.

Same in AL. Gunshow was a joke!