INPUT- Fierce vs Horizon

[357magag]

Looking for info, advice, and real life experiences.
Factory or readily available semi-custom

Debating between Fierce or Horizon
In 22CM with barrel length 16.5", 18" or 20".
If you know of semi-custom or custom but dont know of any available

*Not wanting advice on caliber or barrel length.

Thanks in advance for your help

 

[YBPS]

I wouldn’t shoot a fierce if they paid me. Those guys are d bags.

 

[Chickentoast]

Buy some legos and put something better and cheaper together yourself.

 

[357magag]

Buy some legos and put something better and cheaper together yourself.

Lol.....yeah thats an option

 

[DemonicLemming]

Fierce, the company that ended up in a lawsuit with a dude because the rifle he bought had a smoothbore barrel?

 

[357magag]

Fierce, the company that ended up in a lawsuit with a dude because the rifle he bought had a smoothbore barrel?

That could have been solved alot quicker and cheaper with good CS.

 

[357magag]

That could have been solved alot quicker and cheaper with good CS.

Horizon it is then. Since I am not going to build or commission a build.

 

[Caba]

Fierce, the company that ended up in a lawsuit with a dude because the rifle he bought had a smoothbore barrel?

Rifling is an extra charge.

 

[oldrifleman]

Wondered why I had never heard of either one

 

[357magag]

Wondered why I had never heard of either one

Probably because neither company run ads in American Trapper magazine.

 

[wvfarrier]

My son bought a Horizen of GB and it came with a 3 days Safari hunt. He likes the rifle and it is very accurate (300 prc).

IIRC they use Stiller actions

 

[Emerson0311]

Apparently fierce is now antler arms again.

 

[tacoman69]

Google fierce firearms disaster for a good laugh.

 

[Mulepackhunter]

Honest question I think I worded wrong or it was taken wrongelsewhere , What would keep a buyer from building a rifle themselves and having a smith fit the barrel maybe bed the action vs buying factory/semi custom high end rifle? Is it lead time? MPA is long so cant be that. Seems like with some of the new companies making nice comp or hunting rifles alot of shooters are going that route?
I like the option of getting each component exactly how I want it and not being constrained to stock options.
Just currious

 

[M4guru]

It's never been easier to just screw one together. That's all most of the semi custom guys do.

You don't need a smith for anything if you pick compatible parts.

Buy a stock with an aluminum bedding block, trigger, modern action and prefit barrel. Maybe bottom metal depending on the stock. Screw them together to spec and off you go.

 

[357magag]

It's never been easier to just screw one together. That's all most of the semi custom guys do.

You don't need a smith for anything if you pick compatible parts.

Buy a stock with an aluminum bedding block, trigger, modern action and prefit barrel. Maybe bottom metal depending on the stock. Screw them together to spec and off you go.

I agree....which one would deprecaite more? OEM Horizon or Total cost rifle components screwed together at home by a guy named Dan.
If decide to sell which one?

 

[oldrifleman]

Since I have never heard of a Horizon rifle, and Lilly heard of the custom parts, probably the parts, I can build off what is known.

 

[davsco]

What would keep a buyer from building a rifle themselves and having a smith fit the barrel maybe bed the action vs buying factory/semi custom high end rifle?

i've done four tikka's this way for hunting. either bought a separate tikka action, or bought a tikka rifle and harvested the action. proof carbon prefit barrels in 6.5cm and prc, 7prc (carbon six barrel) and 300wsm. pure precision altitude stocks. couple of specific tools such as action wrench and torque wrench. no bedding or even any sort of fitting or tweaking needed.

plan b is contact Altus (and perhaps others) and pick out components (action, barrel, stock, trigger, etc). pretty sure they'll assemble/fit/torque them all for you for no add'l charge. they did this for me with a zermatt tl3, proof carbon barrel, triggertech trigger, and krg bravo chassis/stock and did same for my bil a few times with varying components.

 

[Mulepackhunter]

I am close to that idea but i like the idea of having a smith check tolerance on purchased items and spin the barrel. Just me but i know what production is and i want to know where everything is before i waste my time using it.

 

[M4guru]

I agree....which one would deprecaite more? OEM Horizon or Total cost rifle components screwed together at home by a guy named Dan.
If decide to sell which one?

The one you can part out or reconfigure will probably do better. Look in the PX here...people do just fine.

 

[Emerson0311]

I agree....which one would deprecaite more? OEM Horizon or Total cost rifle components screwed together at home by a guy named Dan.
If decide to sell which one?

If you are buying a “brand name custom” based on the low price, it will have no more resale value than 1 person’s vision screwed together by Dan. In my experience, the semi-custom manufacturer rifle market is saturated with poor QC cool name brand whores. Most companies are as reliable as insta influencers telling you how to invest for retirement. They throw together some generic rebranded parts, call it some cringe shit like “Sheepdog Gun Ninja Penis Enlarger”, add 35% to the cost for their trouble, and ghost you when it shoots like shit. My LGS used rack is filled with barely used carbon barrel Chri……

 

[JR1200W3]

Some people just have to learn the hard way

 

[M4guru]

Some people just have to learn the hard way

Gonna blow people's minds when they learn most name brand production rifles aren't built by gunsmiths, it's just prefit stuff screwed together by a guy named Dan for $14 an hour using Harbor Freight tools. The only difference is there's a markup to cover the cost of convincing you they're different.

 

[JR1200W3]

Gonna blow people's minds when they learn most name brand production rifles aren't built by gunsmiths, it's just prefit stuff screwed together by a guy named Dan for $14 an hour using Harbor Freight tools. The only difference is there's a markup to cover the cost of convincing you they're different.

I have a buddy that owns a fairly big name company in the shooting industry. His products are sold at places like Altus, Mile High, Red Hawk Rifles, Euro Optic. As he was growing his shop he was struggling to hire decent workers. For the amount he would pay someone to change parts on a CNC, close the door, and hit the run program button you just aren't hiring skilled labor. He hired someone who had worked at WalMart for 12 years and was excited because the guy had a track record of solid employment. In his case, he was hiring parts changers and sand blasters but what happens when that's who's putting your rifle together and supposedly QC'ing? It's like McGowen barrels. They make a good blank but god forbid you have them touch the barrel blank after that. Jacked up muzzle threads, burs inside the chamber. (Workforce + competitive pay) - what the market will bear = the quality of what you receive