Since the barrel on a 77/22 is a "drop-in" option. Does anyone know of a company that makes an Intregal barrel/suppressor for the 77/22? I see where several offer the entire rifle as an item for sale. But how bout just the barrel/suppressor as a registered item?
Suppressors Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
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Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
Probably TacOps.
I think AAC.
Coastal
Norrell
AWC
SRT
You no gottee Google?
Probably TacOps.
I think AAC.
Coastal
Norrell
AWC
SRT
You no gottee Google?
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
my computer wont run the google app for some stupid reason. And it wont let me upload any program to support it. Sorry.
my computer wont run the google app for some stupid reason. And it wont let me upload any program to support it. Sorry.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
Call Doug at SRT Arms.
(He is the owner.)
(480) 967-6218
.22 Integrals are one of his specialties and I have never heard anyone say anything negative about them.
List price to convert a customer supplied 77/22 is $655.
Call Doug at SRT Arms.
(He is the owner.)
(480) 967-6218
.22 Integrals are one of his specialties and I have never heard anyone say anything negative about them.
List price to convert a customer supplied 77/22 is $655.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
we do call us, 919-524-2488, or check out the website! thanks
we do call us, 919-524-2488, or check out the website! thanks
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
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You asked a question. I will paraphrase that question for you "Why do many sell their integral only as a complete rifle?" The short answer is that many shops buy complete rifles and, because an integral requires the barrel, they use the one that came with the rifle. Others buy seperate barrels and they can and do sell them as "seperates." A warning, the real work in fitting an integral, say in the Ruger line, to the chasis is at the forearm, many try liners and original diameter barrels to avoid recutting the forearm. I have yet to hear one worth a piss. Each and every one I have heard over decades is poor. A larger diameter (Bull Barrel) integral is the way to go....and they take work. Also know that on the 77/22 ( a great host because of its bolt and lack of action noise) Ruger has moved to a threaded, not block and thread attachement of the barrel to the receiver.
There are many difference between a blast can and an integral barrel, but one of those differences defines the integral. That is...the ability to take a supersonic projectile load and lower the velocity to subsonic PRIOR to the time the projectile hits the blast can component. In other words, an integral must work with "full load" rounds and be tuned to make "full load" rounds into subsonics. Anything welse is a FAIL. For that reason any good integral manufacturer will recommend a velocity to use in their integral product. Why? Because the ability of the designer to insure MAXIMUM sub sonic velocity is the goal. To do that, the port (the best intgrals I have seen in .22 have a single tuned port) must be sized specifically for that full load. Will other velocities work? Perhaps, but MAXIMUM subsonic velocities are made possible by tuning.
A blast can, in any diameter, stuck on the end of a standard no tap barrel is not an integral...but rather a "dedicated". Integrals tap gas.
When I see an integral being shown shooting subsonic ammo as if THAT makes sense, I laugh. Its a joke, its complete and utter nonsense. When one loads a subsonic round in a rifle you do not need to waste your time tapping gas off, right? Its subsonic already! Your going to do what? Tap gas? All one is doing is clearly showing is that they simply don't get it...and, perhaps...their barrel isn't tuned and that their blast component works best with as little gas as possible. Bullet stabilization? In a subsonic that is having its gas tapped?
This is what I am talking about...shooting subsonics in an integral.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0o0tmY2HCI
What we want to hear is that very integral rifle do its job....be something other than a blast can...tap gas, reduce a full load to sub and BE AN INTEGRAL. I can look at the diameter of that barrel...that integral barrel and know...nope.
The best way to think about an integral is....a dedicated subsonic rifle that shoots specified supersonic rounds. What do you get when you do this?
A great blast can component that can handle the gas..
As close to transonic as you can go, maximizing the potential power of the round while still being subsonic..
In a bolt gun, a rifle so quiet as to actually allow you to hear the firing pin and sear go off.
The quietest 77/22 integrals I have ever heard are made from a company that does not sell the integral/barrel seperately as they know the amount of work in preparing the stock forearm is required and needs to be done properly. I own it, its the quietest suppressed rifle I have ever heard. If you decide you want a full rifle, come on back.
Buying subsonics rounds is expensive and they are dirty and the bullets are not plated. Its great that you want to go integral, get one worth the wait and costs.
Good luck.
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You asked a question. I will paraphrase that question for you "Why do many sell their integral only as a complete rifle?" The short answer is that many shops buy complete rifles and, because an integral requires the barrel, they use the one that came with the rifle. Others buy seperate barrels and they can and do sell them as "seperates." A warning, the real work in fitting an integral, say in the Ruger line, to the chasis is at the forearm, many try liners and original diameter barrels to avoid recutting the forearm. I have yet to hear one worth a piss. Each and every one I have heard over decades is poor. A larger diameter (Bull Barrel) integral is the way to go....and they take work. Also know that on the 77/22 ( a great host because of its bolt and lack of action noise) Ruger has moved to a threaded, not block and thread attachement of the barrel to the receiver.
There are many difference between a blast can and an integral barrel, but one of those differences defines the integral. That is...the ability to take a supersonic projectile load and lower the velocity to subsonic PRIOR to the time the projectile hits the blast can component. In other words, an integral must work with "full load" rounds and be tuned to make "full load" rounds into subsonics. Anything welse is a FAIL. For that reason any good integral manufacturer will recommend a velocity to use in their integral product. Why? Because the ability of the designer to insure MAXIMUM sub sonic velocity is the goal. To do that, the port (the best intgrals I have seen in .22 have a single tuned port) must be sized specifically for that full load. Will other velocities work? Perhaps, but MAXIMUM subsonic velocities are made possible by tuning.
A blast can, in any diameter, stuck on the end of a standard no tap barrel is not an integral...but rather a "dedicated". Integrals tap gas.
When I see an integral being shown shooting subsonic ammo as if THAT makes sense, I laugh. Its a joke, its complete and utter nonsense. When one loads a subsonic round in a rifle you do not need to waste your time tapping gas off, right? Its subsonic already! Your going to do what? Tap gas? All one is doing is clearly showing is that they simply don't get it...and, perhaps...their barrel isn't tuned and that their blast component works best with as little gas as possible. Bullet stabilization? In a subsonic that is having its gas tapped?
This is what I am talking about...shooting subsonics in an integral.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0o0tmY2HCI
What we want to hear is that very integral rifle do its job....be something other than a blast can...tap gas, reduce a full load to sub and BE AN INTEGRAL. I can look at the diameter of that barrel...that integral barrel and know...nope.
The best way to think about an integral is....a dedicated subsonic rifle that shoots specified supersonic rounds. What do you get when you do this?
A great blast can component that can handle the gas..
As close to transonic as you can go, maximizing the potential power of the round while still being subsonic..
In a bolt gun, a rifle so quiet as to actually allow you to hear the firing pin and sear go off.
The quietest 77/22 integrals I have ever heard are made from a company that does not sell the integral/barrel seperately as they know the amount of work in preparing the stock forearm is required and needs to be done properly. I own it, its the quietest suppressed rifle I have ever heard. If you decide you want a full rifle, come on back.
Buying subsonics rounds is expensive and they are dirty and the bullets are not plated. Its great that you want to go integral, get one worth the wait and costs.
Good luck.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
OK, so how is the accuracy of MiniMags or whatever slowed down to subsonic before leaving the BARREL.
We know MMs are pretty good, but they don't compare with mid-grade match ammo (SK Standard Plus, RWS Target Rifle).
We've got Underground Skunkworks offering the 323 rimfire guaranteeing 1/2 MOA to 75yd, which I consider great accuracy, but I doubt it will reliably do that with HV ammo.
The integral TacOps suppressor model runs the price up over $3K.
Is ths really going to shoot HV ammo as well as my Douglas/Spectre CLE MK12 clone shoots match ammo?
What's the service life of an integral?
I realize a bolt action won't see the round count of the typical .22 semiauto, but I can see 10-15K roundi in a few years.
Do plated/washes rounds shoot that clean?
Enquiring minds want to know.
OK, so how is the accuracy of MiniMags or whatever slowed down to subsonic before leaving the BARREL.
We know MMs are pretty good, but they don't compare with mid-grade match ammo (SK Standard Plus, RWS Target Rifle).
We've got Underground Skunkworks offering the 323 rimfire guaranteeing 1/2 MOA to 75yd, which I consider great accuracy, but I doubt it will reliably do that with HV ammo.
The integral TacOps suppressor model runs the price up over $3K.
Is ths really going to shoot HV ammo as well as my Douglas/Spectre CLE MK12 clone shoots match ammo?
What's the service life of an integral?
I realize a bolt action won't see the round count of the typical .22 semiauto, but I can see 10-15K roundi in a few years.
Do plated/washes rounds shoot that clean?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
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Frog
I'm not sure why you capitalized "BARREL."
Anyway, its an integral, we are going subsonic, paying for a minimag and then tapping off the "mag" part of it would be...right...pretty dumb. So lets reset.
1. Any match grade .22 would be subsonic as well. If the maker is worth a damn, he would say "I recommend you use a solid point plated 40 grain HV with a clean burning powder." That means that he tuned the port for that configuration. If the builder says "just shoot whatever you can chamber" well, you know the rifle is badly tuned and MAXIMUM subsonic velocity is not acheived. The days of swiss cheese porting have been over for a decade, one port, properly placed. I used Rem Golden Bullet 40 grain HV solic points and my rifle is silent and shoot 1/2 MOA all day long, and has for years. Why?
The "Why?" is another characteristic of excellent quality integrals that cannot be had with just a blast can. What occurs is the barrel is captured under considerable torque all the way back to the received, that greatly improves the harmonics of the barrel. One sees it immediatly in groups.
Douglas/Spectre CLE MK12 is very expensive way to build a blast can host. It is not integral. You would have to shoot subs through it to suppress the flight signature, making the can a mess as there are no clean burning plated subs sold. Its obviously not a bolt with the surrounding accuracy interests. There is also action sound with the clone as well.
With a bolt integral .22? No Blast, No Flight Signature, No Action Noise..quiet.
Service life of rimfire integrals is basically unlimited as good ones can have their baffle stack upgraded. In rimfire, you "gets out of a suppressor" what you "put through a suppressor."
Lastly, we are subsonic, right? Therefor we have a very different set of parameters regarding the require length of barrel. After all..when you look at a great integral, there is a blast can also at the end...all of it looking like a standard length barrel.
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Frog
I'm not sure why you capitalized "BARREL."
Anyway, its an integral, we are going subsonic, paying for a minimag and then tapping off the "mag" part of it would be...right...pretty dumb. So lets reset.
1. Any match grade .22 would be subsonic as well. If the maker is worth a damn, he would say "I recommend you use a solid point plated 40 grain HV with a clean burning powder." That means that he tuned the port for that configuration. If the builder says "just shoot whatever you can chamber" well, you know the rifle is badly tuned and MAXIMUM subsonic velocity is not acheived. The days of swiss cheese porting have been over for a decade, one port, properly placed. I used Rem Golden Bullet 40 grain HV solic points and my rifle is silent and shoot 1/2 MOA all day long, and has for years. Why?
The "Why?" is another characteristic of excellent quality integrals that cannot be had with just a blast can. What occurs is the barrel is captured under considerable torque all the way back to the received, that greatly improves the harmonics of the barrel. One sees it immediatly in groups.
Douglas/Spectre CLE MK12 is very expensive way to build a blast can host. It is not integral. You would have to shoot subs through it to suppress the flight signature, making the can a mess as there are no clean burning plated subs sold. Its obviously not a bolt with the surrounding accuracy interests. There is also action sound with the clone as well.
With a bolt integral .22? No Blast, No Flight Signature, No Action Noise..quiet.
Service life of rimfire integrals is basically unlimited as good ones can have their baffle stack upgraded. In rimfire, you "gets out of a suppressor" what you "put through a suppressor."
Lastly, we are subsonic, right? Therefor we have a very different set of parameters regarding the require length of barrel. After all..when you look at a great integral, there is a blast can also at the end...all of it looking like a standard length barrel.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
Thanks, that's helpful.
Re: MK12 .22- I've been bingeing on .22 ARs for a few years, and thought the MK12 Mod 0 was cool, so I had Frank White turn a barrel.Didn't find out he did some of the real, issued MK12s until later, which is pretty cool.
Yes, it was a good money after bad project, all the correct parts except the Chinese 3.5-10x40 side focus scope (focuses down to nothing; I think the Leupold only goes down to 70yd or so-and saved a grand). Great fun, shoots match ammo as well as my Krico Silhouette rifle. And yeah, I clean the Spectre every several hundred rounds.
Thanks, that's helpful.
Re: MK12 .22- I've been bingeing on .22 ARs for a few years, and thought the MK12 Mod 0 was cool, so I had Frank White turn a barrel.Didn't find out he did some of the real, issued MK12s until later, which is pretty cool.
Yes, it was a good money after bad project, all the correct parts except the Chinese 3.5-10x40 side focus scope (focuses down to nothing; I think the Leupold only goes down to 70yd or so-and saved a grand). Great fun, shoots match ammo as well as my Krico Silhouette rifle. And yeah, I clean the Spectre every several hundred rounds.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...109#Post2141109
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...109#Post2141109
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, that's helpful.
Re: MK12 .22- I've been bingeing on .22 ARs for a few years, and thought the MK12 Mod 0 was cool, so I had Frank White turn a barrel.Didn't find out he did some of the real, issued MK12s until later, which is pretty cool.
Yes, it was a good money after bad project, all the correct parts except the Chinese 3.5-10x40 side focus scope (focuses down to nothing; I think the Leupold only goes down to 70yd or so-and saved a grand). Great fun, shoots match ammo as well as my Krico Silhouette rifle. And yeah, I clean the Spectre every several hundred rounds. </div></div>
"Good Money after Bad" isn't a bad way to put it.
I'd love to see pics if you can post a link.
Here is my latest MK12Mod0 spin off.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...538#Post2241538
Sorry for the hijack OP...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks, that's helpful.
Re: MK12 .22- I've been bingeing on .22 ARs for a few years, and thought the MK12 Mod 0 was cool, so I had Frank White turn a barrel.Didn't find out he did some of the real, issued MK12s until later, which is pretty cool.
Yes, it was a good money after bad project, all the correct parts except the Chinese 3.5-10x40 side focus scope (focuses down to nothing; I think the Leupold only goes down to 70yd or so-and saved a grand). Great fun, shoots match ammo as well as my Krico Silhouette rifle. And yeah, I clean the Spectre every several hundred rounds. </div></div>
"Good Money after Bad" isn't a bad way to put it.
I'd love to see pics if you can post a link.
Here is my latest MK12Mod0 spin off.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...538#Post2241538
Sorry for the hijack OP...
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
RollingThunder51 it is obvious that you are extremely knowledgeable, but i disagree with your statement about tapping gasses in an integral suppressor. I would much rather be able to shoot sub-sonic to achieve the best sound levels, and then grap super sonic ammo and have it go super sonic. I understand your point, but it is easier to get another box of ammo instead of another gun, if you wanted/needed super sonic bullet performance. we build a removable baffle stack in the end of a standard .920 barrel in use with various swat teams in the state. They chose ours after their ported tubes could not deliver the downrange performance they required. Ok so what did they need? They use them to break street lights prior to raids, a few years ago it was no problem, then the power company (at least around here) appears to have gotten pissed and started beefing up their lights, so, about 40% of the time a projectile traveling at sub-sonic speeds at the angles required to take out street lights from 20 - 60 yards would not deliver what was needed. They actually had to get directly below them and shoot straight up. Withj our tubes they try a sub load first and if that does not work then the run a sv round. As for accuracy we also run one on a 10/22 and kill groundhogs off the back of the shop at distances in excess of a 100 yards. so yes you make a great point i just disagree. as for these statements they were not made to upset, insult, anger or frustrate anyone, if anyone asks, i will preemptively admit i was wrong and will go stand in the corner and also concede that i know nothing compared to (enter name here). Thank you
RollingThunder51 it is obvious that you are extremely knowledgeable, but i disagree with your statement about tapping gasses in an integral suppressor. I would much rather be able to shoot sub-sonic to achieve the best sound levels, and then grap super sonic ammo and have it go super sonic. I understand your point, but it is easier to get another box of ammo instead of another gun, if you wanted/needed super sonic bullet performance. we build a removable baffle stack in the end of a standard .920 barrel in use with various swat teams in the state. They chose ours after their ported tubes could not deliver the downrange performance they required. Ok so what did they need? They use them to break street lights prior to raids, a few years ago it was no problem, then the power company (at least around here) appears to have gotten pissed and started beefing up their lights, so, about 40% of the time a projectile traveling at sub-sonic speeds at the angles required to take out street lights from 20 - 60 yards would not deliver what was needed. They actually had to get directly below them and shoot straight up. Withj our tubes they try a sub load first and if that does not work then the run a sv round. As for accuracy we also run one on a 10/22 and kill groundhogs off the back of the shop at distances in excess of a 100 yards. so yes you make a great point i just disagree. as for these statements they were not made to upset, insult, anger or frustrate anyone, if anyone asks, i will preemptively admit i was wrong and will go stand in the corner and also concede that i know nothing compared to (enter name here). Thank you
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
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None taken, you are of course correct.
If one need to be able to have their .22 also shoot supersonic, then one should buy a standard barrel with blast can. When one needs it to go subsonic, shoot subs. No issue, as you are correct. That is why these company that offer the best integral also offer blast cans in .22 .
Lets take your example, breaking street lights. Here we see a tactical requirement to deliver seemingly more power than a .22 subsonic could afford them. As soon as they fired their supersonic .22, well the requirement for silent operation is a mute point. Should they have used a subsonic with more mass, different bullet material, larger caliber? I simply have no idea.
The purpose of the integral is to take the specified round to the highest velocity possible without going transonic. That and barrel capture for frequency control (accuracy) and, in some situations, covertly disquising the barrel as being "suppressor less." I just am concerned when people load subs in integrals and demonstrate them as somehow functioning as an integral.
Interestingly, If the issue is blast can on off in a "dedicated" barrel design. Certainly we can look beyond the limits of the .22 and perhaps to the wild and...well...unusual.
Here we see a subsonic .308, capture barrel, removeable stack, full barrel sleeve, enormous volume and, get this...keeps its brake on! . Street light? No problem. What is it? A huge post barrel gas port. Is he shooting subsonics? Of course as the bullet would already be SS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSfVJNEiQw4
I shot this as part of the Nemesis project and it was insane...but it had one real flaw...delicacy. Still clever product in the right application.
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None taken, you are of course correct.
If one need to be able to have their .22 also shoot supersonic, then one should buy a standard barrel with blast can. When one needs it to go subsonic, shoot subs. No issue, as you are correct. That is why these company that offer the best integral also offer blast cans in .22 .
Lets take your example, breaking street lights. Here we see a tactical requirement to deliver seemingly more power than a .22 subsonic could afford them. As soon as they fired their supersonic .22, well the requirement for silent operation is a mute point. Should they have used a subsonic with more mass, different bullet material, larger caliber? I simply have no idea.
The purpose of the integral is to take the specified round to the highest velocity possible without going transonic. That and barrel capture for frequency control (accuracy) and, in some situations, covertly disquising the barrel as being "suppressor less." I just am concerned when people load subs in integrals and demonstrate them as somehow functioning as an integral.
Interestingly, If the issue is blast can on off in a "dedicated" barrel design. Certainly we can look beyond the limits of the .22 and perhaps to the wild and...well...unusual.
Here we see a subsonic .308, capture barrel, removeable stack, full barrel sleeve, enormous volume and, get this...keeps its brake on! . Street light? No problem. What is it? A huge post barrel gas port. Is he shooting subsonics? Of course as the bullet would already be SS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSfVJNEiQw4
I shot this as part of the Nemesis project and it was insane...but it had one real flaw...delicacy. Still clever product in the right application.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
rolling thunder, i have alot of respect for you and your opinions, we have been involved in other threads, so again absolutely no offense. the local pd's using our tubes generally attempt to break the streetlights with sub loads first, including lights above the door illuminating the fatal funnel, and an occasional dog or three. with our system it does not appear to be suppressed and with sub loads is stupid quiet, and if needed, without getting a different firearm, terminal performance can be improved with supersonic ammo. that being said yeah a 308 would rock! still louder than a good sub 22, you make a great point, and hk has done this with the mp5sd's but again with that gun terminal performance has been and sometimes is an issue. (please no flaming did not mean to hurt anyones feelings, i/we love the mp5 and everything else in the world, even you) but the 308 would be bulkier and heavier and more prone to barrel wear, we replace our barrels every 1000-1500 rounds, if it was a sniper rifle level of firearm, this would entail another tax stamp and the whole 9 yards, which is why we quit making the in barrel 223 and 308 tubes. i agree to disagree and still have the utmost respect in your posts, i would rather switch ammo than switch guns. thank you, and once again to anyone who has been upset by my post i preemptively apoligize and admit im an idiot.
rolling thunder, i have alot of respect for you and your opinions, we have been involved in other threads, so again absolutely no offense. the local pd's using our tubes generally attempt to break the streetlights with sub loads first, including lights above the door illuminating the fatal funnel, and an occasional dog or three. with our system it does not appear to be suppressed and with sub loads is stupid quiet, and if needed, without getting a different firearm, terminal performance can be improved with supersonic ammo. that being said yeah a 308 would rock! still louder than a good sub 22, you make a great point, and hk has done this with the mp5sd's but again with that gun terminal performance has been and sometimes is an issue. (please no flaming did not mean to hurt anyones feelings, i/we love the mp5 and everything else in the world, even you) but the 308 would be bulkier and heavier and more prone to barrel wear, we replace our barrels every 1000-1500 rounds, if it was a sniper rifle level of firearm, this would entail another tax stamp and the whole 9 yards, which is why we quit making the in barrel 223 and 308 tubes. i agree to disagree and still have the utmost respect in your posts, i would rather switch ammo than switch guns. thank you, and once again to anyone who has been upset by my post i preemptively apoligize and admit im an idiot.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suppressedweapons</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They use them to break street lights prior to raids, a few years ago it was no problem, then the power company (at least around here) appears to have gotten pissed and started beefing up their lights, so, about 40% of the time a projectile traveling at sub-sonic speeds at the angles required to take out street lights from 20 - 60 yards would not deliver what was needed. They actually had to get directly below them and shoot straight up.</div></div>
Priceless. This conjured some interesting cartoons in my head.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suppressedweapons</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They use them to break street lights prior to raids, a few years ago it was no problem, then the power company (at least around here) appears to have gotten pissed and started beefing up their lights, so, about 40% of the time a projectile traveling at sub-sonic speeds at the angles required to take out street lights from 20 - 60 yards would not deliver what was needed. They actually had to get directly below them and shoot straight up.</div></div>
Priceless. This conjured some interesting cartoons in my head.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
My 77/22 from johns guns is ported, therefor is an integral. That being said, I'll shoot whatever the hell I want through it for whatever effect I'm looking for on the target with no apologies to those who think I'm laughable for doing so.
My 77/22 from johns guns is ported, therefor is an integral. That being said, I'll shoot whatever the hell I want through it for whatever effect I'm looking for on the target with no apologies to those who think I'm laughable for doing so.
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
Sorry for the Necro-post, but I saw the new AAC 10/22 integral and thought of this thread.
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=67766&p=652205#p652205
I noticed that it has three gas ports as opposed to a single one as discussed by RollingThunder51.
RT51, any thoughts or comments on this design?
Sorry for the Necro-post, but I saw the new AAC 10/22 integral and thought of this thread.
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=67766&p=652205#p652205
I noticed that it has three gas ports as opposed to a single one as discussed by RollingThunder51.
RT51, any thoughts or comments on this design?
Re: Intregal 77/22 barrel, suppressor drop in?
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Great to see another design, many thanks!
Sure, lets let it fly....
This is a true integral and it can be tuned and should be to a given round characteristic. It can be opened and cleaned..and will need to be...
Monocores are nothing more than slat baffels set at angles. Can they work? Sure, but nothing, nothing like a fully formed advanced cone. And they never will. The issue is access to the front and rear of the baffel for the radial cuts that actually direct the gases effiently off bore axis in timed sequence. But, as we might imagine, with a mono you don't have to weld and with welding being the most costly operation, well they are popular in some shops.
There is more, a great design actually delivers the tapped gas to a point in the stack prior to the arrival of the primary blast gasses to acheive better precharge and suppression. In order to do this you need to keep that tapped gas pressure up there to keep it moving fast and forward. 3 taps? and none of them getting to the stack? Are all those gas taps trapping the gas in the two barrel "chambers?" Is there no forward flow to the stack and out? Is that an entrapment design? I vote yes and that design has to open to be cleaned. But, I simply do not know.
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Great to see another design, many thanks!
Sure, lets let it fly....
This is a true integral and it can be tuned and should be to a given round characteristic. It can be opened and cleaned..and will need to be...
Monocores are nothing more than slat baffels set at angles. Can they work? Sure, but nothing, nothing like a fully formed advanced cone. And they never will. The issue is access to the front and rear of the baffel for the radial cuts that actually direct the gases effiently off bore axis in timed sequence. But, as we might imagine, with a mono you don't have to weld and with welding being the most costly operation, well they are popular in some shops.
There is more, a great design actually delivers the tapped gas to a point in the stack prior to the arrival of the primary blast gasses to acheive better precharge and suppression. In order to do this you need to keep that tapped gas pressure up there to keep it moving fast and forward. 3 taps? and none of them getting to the stack? Are all those gas taps trapping the gas in the two barrel "chambers?" Is there no forward flow to the stack and out? Is that an entrapment design? I vote yes and that design has to open to be cleaned. But, I simply do not know.
