Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
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Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
Well, they make in 223 and 308. The former, no, the latter, why not?
Well, they make in 223 and 308. The former, no, the latter, why not?
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure.
Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
Here is one of the many disscusions on that topic.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...537#Post1119537
Here is one of the many disscusions on that topic.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...537#Post1119537
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
I would think that SAMMI specs apply to all NATO ammo,although this was South African Surplus,They worked great in my STG58,we used both rifles with my handloads,fairly hot 150gr Nosler BT w/49 gr of Varget,no problem.One of the surplus rounds in the bolt action was way over pressure,at least for that rifle.
I would think that SAMMI specs apply to all NATO ammo,although this was South African Surplus,They worked great in my STG58,we used both rifles with my handloads,fairly hot 150gr Nosler BT w/49 gr of Varget,no problem.One of the surplus rounds in the bolt action was way over pressure,at least for that rifle.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
I shoot "Dynamite Noble" German mil spec 7.62 in my AR and Tikka 595 all the time. Works perfectly, just a crime the beautiful cases are Berdan primed!
I shoot "Dynamite Noble" German mil spec 7.62 in my AR and Tikka 595 all the time. Works perfectly, just a crime the beautiful cases are Berdan primed!
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpotcheckBilly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading. </div></div>
How the pressure readings are taken is irrelevant. 5.56 is higher presser than .223Rem and 7.62X51 is lower pressure than .308 Win. Simply shooting them across a chronograph will tell you this. I posted a link to SAMMI Unsafe Firearm and Ammunition Combo publication , you'll notice 5.56 is listed as non compatible with a .223 rifle. You'll also notice 7.62X51 is absent from unsafe listing for .308 Win.
.223 and 308 have similar chamber pressures but that isn't what we're talking about. 5.56 is hotter than 223 Rem and 308 Win Commercial is hotter than 7.62X51 NATO.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpotcheckBilly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading. </div></div>
How the pressure readings are taken is irrelevant. 5.56 is higher presser than .223Rem and 7.62X51 is lower pressure than .308 Win. Simply shooting them across a chronograph will tell you this. I posted a link to SAMMI Unsafe Firearm and Ammunition Combo publication , you'll notice 5.56 is listed as non compatible with a .223 rifle. You'll also notice 7.62X51 is absent from unsafe listing for .308 Win.
.223 and 308 have similar chamber pressures but that isn't what we're talking about. 5.56 is hotter than 223 Rem and 308 Win Commercial is hotter than 7.62X51 NATO.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpotcheckBilly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading. </div></div>
How the pressure readings are taken is irrelevant. 5.56 is higher presser than .223Rem and 7.62X51 is lower pressure than .308 Win. Simply shooting them across a chronograph will tell you this. I posted a link to SAMMI Unsafe Firearm and Ammunition Combo publication , you'll notice 5.56 is listed as non compatible with a .223 rifle. You'll also notice 7.62X51 is absent from unsafe listing for .308 Win.
.223 and 308 have similar chamber pressures but that isn't what we're talking about. 5.56 is hotter than 223 Rem and 308 Win Commercial is hotter than 7.62X51 NATO.
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I don't believe that you are correct. I think that you should probably research the subject more before you make such blanket statemwnts.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpotcheckBilly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
SAAMI and NATO mil-spec pressures are taken differently (at different positions) using different transducers to take the measurements and are difficult to compare directly. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and that just doesn't work. SAAMI maximum pressures and NATO pressures for both the .223/5.56 and the .308/7.62 are actually pretty close in real life. The cautions about using NATO spec ammo in SAAMI spec chambers have more to do with freebore (leade) and how it might cause an overpressure condition than anything else, although there are some issues about headspace (especially in gas guns) in the .308/7.62 cartridge which usually don't cause problems unless all of the tolerances are stacked the wrong way.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a reference, but what they have to say about this pressure issue between SAAMI and NATO cartridges is spot on. Google it and some other discussions about this question. if you're interested. It makes for some enlightening reading. </div></div>
How the pressure readings are taken is irrelevant. 5.56 is higher presser than .223Rem and 7.62X51 is lower pressure than .308 Win. Simply shooting them across a chronograph will tell you this. I posted a link to SAMMI Unsafe Firearm and Ammunition Combo publication , you'll notice 5.56 is listed as non compatible with a .223 rifle. You'll also notice 7.62X51 is absent from unsafe listing for .308 Win.
.223 and 308 have similar chamber pressures but that isn't what we're talking about. 5.56 is hotter than 223 Rem and 308 Win Commercial is hotter than 7.62X51 NATO.
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I don't believe that you are correct. I think that you should probably research the subject more before you make such blanket statemwnts.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
+1, and I have shot lots of 7.62 thru my Savage 110, 10fp w/o issues.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 858</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful with the 7.62 NATO ammo in a commercial bolt gun,I had a friend that wanted to try one of my South African 7.62 rounds in an older Mossberg(Model 100,I think)in good shape,Bad mistake,we had to tap the bolt open with a block of wood and hammer,it went way over pressure.I would not recommend it,and several manufacturers caution against it.The 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are designed mainly for gas operated weapons,and are higher pressure. </div></div>
7.62X51 is lower pressure than SAMMI spec 308 Win. It is the exact opposite of 5.56 and 223.
http://www.saami.org/Publications/2006UnsafeCombinations.pdf </div></div>
+1, and I have shot lots of 7.62 thru my Savage 110, 10fp w/o issues.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
It is OK, read this (or you can write to your favorite rifle/ammo maker to verify
)
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1274290&page=1
My friends and I have literally fired thousands of 7.62x51 NATO in a few 10 FPs, from different ammo makers, no problems.
With some unusually tight commercial chambers and old (or out of spec?) 7.62 NATO ammo there is some chance of the rounds having a tight fit since the NATO cahmbers are larger (this is easily felt on a bolt action and may lead to overpressure if you crush the rounds in), but currently most (all?) ammo makers use exactly the same external case dimensions as 308 Win.
It is OK, read this (or you can write to your favorite rifle/ammo maker to verify
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1274290&page=1
My friends and I have literally fired thousands of 7.62x51 NATO in a few 10 FPs, from different ammo makers, no problems.
With some unusually tight commercial chambers and old (or out of spec?) 7.62 NATO ammo there is some chance of the rounds having a tight fit since the NATO cahmbers are larger (this is easily felt on a bolt action and may lead to overpressure if you crush the rounds in), but currently most (all?) ammo makers use exactly the same external case dimensions as 308 Win.
Re: Is it OK to shoot 7.62x51 NATO in a Savage 10FP?
i had a problem shooting 762x51 nato in a nef handi rifle i had brass would get stuck in the chamber, but 308 win. would eject just fine, only problem ive had with it, and only gun ive run into with that problem.
i had a problem shooting 762x51 nato in a nef handi rifle i had brass would get stuck in the chamber, but 308 win. would eject just fine, only problem ive had with it, and only gun ive run into with that problem.
