Isn't Stockton, CA already broke?

[pmclaine]

And while pushing "Basic Income" I suggest they take a class in Basic Economics

So dumb it hurts my head.......

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/12/12/stockton-basic-income-pilot-program/

Tax payers need to revolt.

 

[Dewey7271]

Yep, if not fully broke they were teetering.
I agree, stupid.
Other than to charities, the best of whom actually know how to help people with problems, I’ve never seen a pure handout do anything except encourage sloth. Maybe I’m a cynic.

 

[Rthur]

I'll wager more than some will make it into some "new" residents hands.

R

 

[Alphatreedog]

How about people like me that work their fuckin nuts off and still struggle to get by only to have anoyher bullshit tax pushed 9n them to pay for the 47% . I have gone to achool for a good bit if my adult life and make a very respectable wage . My wife does not work , son has autism and daughter has mental health issues . There were a few recent years where medical , travel and circumstances from said challenges nearly cost my home . And you know what ? We survived without help . Wife did her part at home and I busted my effin ass . Pisses me the fuck off to finance some able bodied shitbaga free ride . I would be ok with struggle if the fuckkin field were even but it's not . Not only do motherfuckers get their fuckin free on I fuckin pay for it . And then yet another Commie fuckstick will step up and promise more of my fuckin paycheck to some oxygen stealin lazy , ghetto dwelling illegal or baby factory scum fuckin bag . Did I fuckin mention how much this shit pisses me the fuck off .
There is no free fuckin ride . I remember a tow truck driver goin on about how his girl is pregnant and welfare's hookin her up . She got a house and they gotta lay low for a bit then he's movin in . I wanted to push that fuck outta the cab of that fuckin truck at 60mph . How bout nut up and handle your own shit douche fuck .
Commie bags of shit will have their moment of accountability . I pray that I am their to witness it .

 

[pmclaine]

How about people like me that work their fuckin nuts off and still struggle to get by only to have anoyher bullshit tax pushed 9n them to pay for the 47% . I have gone to achool for a good bit if my adult life and make a very respectable wage . My wife does not work , son has autism and daughter has mental health issues . There were a few recent years where medical , travel and circumstances from said challenges nearly cost my home . And you know what ? We survived without help . Wife did her part at home and I busted my effin ass . Pisses me the fuck off to finance some able bodied shitbaga free ride . I would be ok with struggle if the fuckkin filed were even but it's not . Not only do motherfuckers get their fuckin free on I fuckin pay for it . And then yet another Commie fuckstick will step up and promise more of my fuckin paycheck to some oxygen stealin lazy , ghetto dwelling illegal or baby factory scum fuckin bag . Did I fuckin mention how much this shit pisses me the fuck off .
There is no free fuckin ride . I remember a tow truck driver goin on about hoq his girl is pregnant and welfare's hookin her up . She got a house and they gotta lay low for a bit then he's movin in . I wanted to push that fuck outta the cab of that fuckin truck at 60mph . How bout nut up and handle your own shit douche fuck .
Commie bags of shit will have their moment of accountability . I pray that I am their to witness it .

For people "like you" what this does is make the first $500 you earn each week absolutely useless as economic supply and demand says that if everyone starts out with unearned X in their hands than X is worth $0.

Stand by for inflation.

 

[pmclaine]

Consider it payment for voting appropriately and trust me that vote is not going to a conservative.

Looks like the cost of a vote is currently going at $500/month.

 

[Dewey7271]

Looks like the cost of a vote is currently going at $500/month.

Yep. Saw that in the previous administration. Free phones, healthcare, housing and on and on.
I believe this kind of crap will start what becomes basically a vote auction. Hey, i’ll Give you this. I’ll give you this. And so on. Why’d that economic idiot Bernie do so well? He promised college kids and the millennials free shit. College, healthcare....

 

[Alphatreedog]

Fuckin California poisoning the fuckin Country again . Cut all Federal aid . Refuse to take their money . Fuck em let em cecede . They are a fuckin parasite . I may fuckin stroke out on this one . C'mon flaming plasma state meteor . Even better , a meteor that breaks into flaming couple a thousand mile an hour 00 Buck . That should straighten shit out quick . And hell yeah I'm ok with the Federal Government cleaning up as there would be no one left in that shit hole .

 

[oneshot86]

How about people like me that work their fuckin nuts off and still struggle to get by only to have anoyher bullshit tax pushed 9n them to pay for the 47% . I have gone to achool for a good bit if my adult life and make a very respectable wage . My wife does not work , son has autism and daughter has mental health issues . There were a few recent years where medical , travel and circumstances from said challenges nearly cost my home . And you know what ? We survived without help . Wife did her part at home and I busted my effin ass . Pisses me the fuck off to finance some able bodied shitbaga free ride . I would be ok with struggle if the fuckkin field were even but it's not . Not only do motherfuckers get their fuckin free on I fuckin pay for it . And then yet another Commie fuckstick will step up and promise more of my fuckin paycheck to some oxygen stealin lazy , ghetto dwelling illegal or baby factory scum fuckin bag . Did I fuckin mention how much this shit pisses me the fuck off .
There is no free fuckin ride . I remember a tow truck driver goin on about how his girl is pregnant and welfare's hookin her up . She got a house and they gotta lay low for a bit then he's movin in . I wanted to push that fuck outta the cab of that fuckin truck at 60mph . How bout nut up and handle your own shit douche fuck .
Commie bags of shit will have their moment of accountability . I pray that I am their to witness it .

i knew you were a stud,,,

 

[Alphatreedog]

i knew you were a stud,,,

Thanks buddy . I'm not saying this stuff for atta boys and I'm the last one to boo hoo bout shit . I got fuckin boot straps and so does everyone else . What gets done in the hide is no different than a barn raising or helping your neighbor whose husband had surgery . The generosity in here is lateral. I am proud to know such a good bunch of hard working self determined men . This pay me up yo shit has gotta stop . This last one was the last fuckin straw . Fuck California haitian style with a mop handle . Man I want to put my head thru a fuckin wall .

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Communism works great until they run out of other people's money to give away...

 

[Rthur]

Communism works great until they run out of other people's money to give away...

Kinda true, they believe all the money is theirs.

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

It's funny that they all think this is such a modern idea.
The whole "Universal Income" idea was in popular discussion over 100 years ago.

It might be possible, but is not able to be done if the bankers control the money & the government lives off debt.
Any attempt to do so with our current financial setup would basically be a race to absolute bankruptcy.

If you ever have to actually debate one of the guys with this new "universal income" idea, hand them a copy of Robert Heinlein's "For us the living", a fully fleshed out discussion on it from 80 years ago with a whole lot of actual ideas and exercises and logical theory.

The problem I think comes down to the same issue that always trips up idealistic communists & utopians.
Without the need to struggle to keep up with the basic needs of survival, a much fewer than expected number of people will work to better themselves by doing extra work.

 

[MtnCreek]

How is anyone supposed to live on $500/month? Cheap bastards should make it at least $12,000/month.

 

[Dewey7271]

How is anyone supposed to live on $500/month? Cheap bastards should make it at least $12,000/month.

I know how you meant that and agree with the sarcasm.
Problem is that’s exactly how a bunch of the libs think.

 

[Bender]

It's funny that they all think this is such a modern idea.
The whole "Universal Income" idea was in popular discussion over 100 years ago.

It might be possible, but is not able to be done if the bankers control the money & the government lives off debt.
Any attempt to do so with our current financial setup would basically be a race to absolute bankruptcy.

If you ever have to actually debate one of the guys with this new "universal income" idea, hand them a copy of Robert Heinlein's "For us the living", a fully fleshed out discussion on it from 80 years ago with a whole lot of actual ideas and exercises and logical theory.

The problem I think comes down to the same issue that always trips up idealistic communists & utopians.
Without the need to struggle to keep up with the basic needs of survival, a much fewer than expected number of people will work to better themselves by doing extra work.

All these communists and communist lites, that’s what I call a socialist, a socialist is just a communist without the commitment. Anyway I digress, all of these retards forget one thing, a basic human trait. People like to own things. This fact that people like to own things, privately, will guarantee the failure of communism every time.

Every.

Time.

 

[W54/XM-388]

People like to own things. This fact that people like to own things, privately, will guarantee the failure of communism every time.

I'd say that's not actually what causes communism to fail.
Most Communist & Socialist systems have a window dressing of "ownership", such as "ownership" of your apartment or transportation or other things the state doles out to everyone that are yours as long as you do as you are told to the amount you are told.

I'd say it's the motivation problem.

If you have no pressing motivation to work to get your living needs taken care of, then the larger part of people become lazy and don't want to do any extra which means the system gets unbalanced.

If no matter how hard you work all the outcomes for you personally are the same, eventually the majority will start doing the absolute minimum.

In either case the society slowly collapses as progress and excess stop being available. Those in charge usually try some kind of threats and brutality to "motivate" people to produce more or provide more, but all that does in the end is reinforce the doing as little as possible becoming an art form.

 

[Bender]

I'd say that's not actually what causes communism to fail.
Most Communist & Socialist systems have a window dressing of "ownership", such as "ownership" of your apartment or transportation or other things the state doles out to everyone that are yours as long as you do as you are told to the amount you are told.

I'd say it's the motivation problem.

If you have no pressing motivation to work to get your living needs taken care of, then the larger part of people become lazy and don't want to do any extra which means the system gets unbalanced.

If no matter how hard you work all the outcomes for you personally are the same, eventually the majority will start doing the absolute minimum.

In either case the society slowly collapses as progress and excess stop being available. Those in charge usually try some kind of threats and brutality to "motivate" people to produce more or provide more, but all that does in the end is reinforce the doing as little as possible becoming an art form.

You are not wrong, people still will want to own things, regardless of who earned the things. A natural man will keep things to himself, even to the detriment of their neighbor who actually went out and labored for the things.

This is what nearly brought the English settlers to ruin, a “share the wealth” attitude, until John Smith showed up and said you can keep what you earn and trade off your surplus.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

People do what they gotta do, and when there's a choice, they take the easier one.

Soon, we'll be ending up the same way as the other failed socialist states. When that happens, we will once again hear the familiar whining about how we really didn't do it the right way and all we really need to do is try it again, but with more feeling.

Bullshit is bullshit and some folks are addicted to it.

If I'm not dead already, the events will probably kill me anyway. Less fucks given every day.

Greg