Gunsmithing KAC MAMS Finish Recommendation

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    I purchased a new Knights Armament 7.62 MM MAMS kit. The finish is pretty bad and I would like to get it cleaned up and refinished for a new build I am doing. I will also be running a Knights CRS/QDC suppressor that of course attaches over the MAMS. I want to finish it in black and am wondering what type of coating/finish I should get since it is steel. Parkerized, Nitride, Cerakote, etc. What will hold up the best with the added heat when I run it with the suppressor? Thanks in advance.
     

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    Why not send it back?
    Sounds more like a PSA blem deal

    Never had that problem with a JP

    That said, if you’re going to do it, get it DLCed

    I’ve used this guy before with DLCing pistol stuff, good dude, but be sure you get a timeframe for completion


    Not firearms, but DLC
     
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    KAC finishes usually look like shitwhen they are bone dry, which is how most stuff ships. I have gotten stuff that looked white.

    Take the part, and dip it in motor oil, pull it out and let it dry.

    Its a fucking brake. As soon as you use it, its going to get fouled up and discolored. If you actually use it it will get banged into shit so who cares unless your game is showing off to chads on Instagram.
     

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    KAC finishes usually look like shitwhen they are bone dry, which is how most stuff ships. I have gotten stuff that looked white.

    Take the part, and dip it in motor oil, pull it out and let it dry.

    Its a fucking brake. As soon as you use it, its going to get fouled up and discolored. If you actually use it it will get banged into shit so who cares unless your game is showing off to chads on Instagram.

    If I paid that much, I’d care.

    If they don’t give that much of a shit about the finish in manufacturing, if their QC doesn’t give enough of a shit to reject it vs ship it to a customer, what other defects do they ignore?
     

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    Pretty common with KAC stuff. Does the finish look brown? Some people search the different color variants out. It'll be black from carbon as soon as you use it with a can.
     
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    If I paid that much, I’d care.

    If they don’t give that much of a shit about the finish in manufacturing, if their QC doesn’t give enough of a shit to reject it vs ship it to a customer, what other defects do they ignore?
    You are one of the usuals bitching in KAC threads with the rest of the poors. We don't care that you don't care, because you don't actually use the products.

    KAC doesn't need you, they sell every single piece of gear they make and there is a legion of people fighting to buy it.

    It is a tool designed for hard use and abuse. Not a Sunday church dress.

    Find something worth bitching about, your shtick is getting old.
     

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    Pretty common with KAC stuff. Does the finish look brown? Some people search the different color variants out. It'll be black from carbon as soon as you use it with a can.
    I had a triple Tap but it had a blemish so i threw it in the trash and bought a battlecomp........................... That will show KAC.
     

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    You are one of the usuals bitching in KAC threads with the rest of the poors. We don't care that you don't care, because you don't actually use the products.

    KAC doesn't need you, they sell every single piece of gear they make and there is a legion of people fighting to buy it.

    It is a tool designed for hard use and abuse. Not a Sunday church dress.

    Find something worth bitching about, your shtick is getting old.

    Poors?
    That’s why I buy better products from a better company?

    Also when your reply is a business doesn’t need me, well as they are selling a product and I’m a potential buyer, that’s false.

    See I don’t care about KAC or SW or JP or whomever, I just want the most for my money in the tier of rifle we are talking.
    Not many money is no factor buy whatever competition shooters rocking KAC.


    The reason I say bad things in lots of the KAC threads is because many of the threads are about said shit finish or something.

    Some companies care more about cronies and contracts than design and detail.
     
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    Why not send it back?
    Sounds more like a PSA blem deal

    Never had that problem with a JP

    That said, if you’re going to do it, get it DLCed

    I’ve used this guy before with DLCing pistol stuff, good dude, but be sure you get a timeframe for completion


    Not firearms, but DLC

    Thanks, I will look into it.
     
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    Pretty common with KAC stuff. Does the finish look brown? Some people search the different color variants out. It'll be black from carbon as soon as you use it with a can.
    Yes, it is a brownish rust color. I have degreased it, because it was coated with an oil, but it is like you said. You make a good point about just running it and letting it carbon up some. I may just do that. Thanks.
     
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    Yes, it is a brownish rust color. I have degreased it, because it was coated with an oil, but it is like you said. You make a good point about just running it and letting it carbon up some. I may just do that. Thanks.
    I have a brownish colored 5.56 mams and backup irons, I personally think they look kind of cool. If it ends up bothering you down the road you won't have any trouble selling because of the color.
     
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    Poors?
    That’s why I buy better products from a better company?

    Also when your reply is a business doesn’t need me, well as they are selling a product and I’m a potential buyer, that’s false.

    See I don’t care about KAC or SW or JP or whomever, I just want the most for my money in the tier of rifle we are talking.
    Not many money is no factor buy whatever competition shooters rocking KAC.


    The reason I say bad things in lots of the KAC threads is because many of the threads are about said shit finish or something.

    Some companies care more about cronies and contracts than design and detail.
    Or some companies care more about the function of their products than trying to impress a bunch of non shooting faggots who do nothing but bitch about non-material shit.

    Those who actually shoot and use their gear, don't care. Bitches do.
     
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    Or some companies care more about the function of their products than trying to impress a bunch of non shooting faggots who do nothing but bitch about non-material shit.

    Those who actually shoot and use their gear, don't care. Bitches do.

    Nope, quality is quality, most who innovate and make great equipment don’t shit on their own product with a crappy finish, also the finish is a critical part of the weapon, especially being used by people outside of going from a climate controlled house to a shooting range and back.

    JP doesn’t have to excuses for their finish, they don’t need to play the “operator” card, they just make and innovate a great project and they give a fuck about their final product and take pride in it.
     
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    Nope, quality is quality, most who innovate and make great equipment don’t shit on their own product with a crappy finish, also the finish is a critical part of the weapon, especially being used by people outside of going from a climate controlled house to a shooting range and back.

    JP doesn’t have to excuses for their finish, they don’t need to play the “operator” card, they just make and innovate a great project and they give a fuck about their final product and take pride in it.
    And there it is, You're chance to suck JP dick while talking shit about KAC. Just like every other thread related to KAC. A company that forgot more about AR innovation than John Paul. A company responsible for almost every major innovation of the platform in the last 30 years. A company whose products are in every area of small arms in the US military. A company so sought after that they have years long wait list and product sells at a massive premium due to demand. Sounds like a company that doesn't know a thing or too about inovation or quality right?

    You have zero experience with KAC products, so why do you talk with an authority like you have any thing worth anyone else listening to?

    Every post you make is more asinine then the last. The fact that you do not understand the basic difference between whats material and non material on the platform means you have no experience and are a net negative every time you post. As soon as someone reads one of you're posts, they become a little dumber. Maybe that is your plan, drag everyone down to you're level.
     

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    No finish is gonna do great inside of a can, just shoot it. One mag suppressed and it won't matter anyways.
    Oh but i heard on the internet that:

    "the finish is a critical part of the weapon, especially being used by people outside of going from a climate controlled house to a shooting range and back."

    You can't make this shit up.
     
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    And there it is, You're chance to suck JP dick while talking shit about KAC. Just like every other thread related to KAC. A company that forgot more about AR innovation than John Paul. A company responsible for almost every major innovation of the platform in the last 30 years. A company whose products are in every area of small arms in the US military. A company so sought after that they have years long wait list and product sells at a massive premium due to demand. Sounds like a company that doesn't know a thing or too about inovation or quality right?

    You have zero experience with KAC products, so why do you talk with an authority like you have any thing worth anyone else listening to?

    Every post you make is more asinine then the last. The fact that you do not understand the basic difference between whats material and non material on the platform means you have no experience and are a net negative every time you post. As soon as someone reads one of you're posts, they become a little dumber. Maybe that is your plan, drag everyone down to you're level.

    Sorry, but for a similar price point (albeit it JP is a hair more) it’s just a better piece of equipment.

    They value contracts over quality, and lots of civilians like them because they saw them in some war movie or something.

    That is why for every 1 JP issue thread, that you have to hunt to find, you see 10 KAC issue threads, honestly they seem to be in a race with PSA for QC fuck ups recently
     
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    I have the exact same setup. Just shoot it. It'll be black as tar with that suppressor on. Then between the heat and cleaning, it'll end up 5 different colors anyways.

    Also take it off after every range session or you'll need a fucking pipe wrench to break the carbon bond it creates.

    Tighten with a spanner; you wont get it tight enough by hand at some point.

    I love the idea, but the overall QD system leaves a ton to be desired from them.
     

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    I like the MAMS as a brake, just slide the tube on it and it'll be whatever color u like
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    Sorry, but for a similar price point (albeit it JP is a hair more) it’s just a better piece of equipment.

    They value contracts over quality, and lots of civilians like them because they saw them in some war movie or something.

    That is why for every 1 JP issue thread, that you have to hunt to find, you see 10 KAC issue threads, honestly they seem to be in a race with PSA for QC fuck ups recently
    Ok Karen.

    Too poor to afford good shit. Too dumb to know the difference. Not wise enough to STFU when you don't know what you are talking about.
     

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    I’m a Knights fan boy but I’ve sold a large portion of my stuff this last year for stupid crazy money. It seems like there’s a bunch of newbies opening their wallets to be cool in instagram.
    Same. It was fetching such high dollars I was able to build a few gucci PRS and rimfire guns by selling off a some KAC stuff. When someone pays you $5.5K for a SR15 you paid $1800 for 5 years ago, you take their money and thank them. No ammount of money will pry the taupe mod 0 from my cold dead hands.
     

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    I like the MAMS as a brake, just slide the tube on it and it'll be whatever color u like
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    Thanks for the example. I wondered what would happen to the finish once a can was put on it which is why I asked the original question. I get a similar result on my SR-25, which has the standard flash hide, when I use the can.
     

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    I have the exact same setup. Just shoot it. It'll be black as tar with that suppressor on. Then between the heat and cleaning, it'll end up 5 different colors anyways.

    Also take it off after every range session or you'll need a fucking pipe wrench to break the carbon bond it creates.

    Tighten with a spanner; you wont get it tight enough by hand at some point.

    I love the idea, but the overall QD system leaves a ton to be desired from them.
    I agree, I will not bother with the finish, it probably won't last long anyway.

    I always take my can off of my SR-25 when I am done shooting so I will of course do the same with this build. I am anxious to finish the build, it will be about another month. Thank you for your advice.
     

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    DLC for that would be fairly cheap, maybe 35 bucks, can get it done by Club Custom Guns over in NC. Chad Buie is awesome to deal with and turn around time is a mere few weeks if that, the smaller stuff like that gets lumped in with someone's lot. A DLC finish you can scrub the shit out of and make them look new after hard use, parkerizing not so much...
     
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    I might also add, Club Custom Guns i mentioned has been around for quite some time! Can find mention and reference on the 1911 forums too. And the only reason I chimed in even on this thread is I have some raw Ti parts and saker suppressor cap there now! Thought about sending a long tine mams with my lot... but I held back like a sally!
     

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    DLC for that would be fairly cheap, maybe 35 bucks, can get it done by Club Custom Guns over in NC. Chad Buie is awesome to deal with and turn around time is a mere few weeks if that, the smaller stuff like that gets lumped in with someone's lot. A DLC finish you can scrub the shit out of and make them look new after hard use, parkerizing not so much...
    Thanks for the recommendation. I am going to hold off on doing anything to it for now and use it as is. Thanks.
     

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    That’s why I buy better products from a better company?

    Also when your reply is a business doesn’t need me, well as they are selling a product and I’m a potential buyer, that’s false.

    See I don’t care about KAC or SW or JP or whomever, I just want the most for my money in the tier of rifle we are talking.
    Not many money is no factor buy whatever competition shooters rocking KAC.


    The reason I say bad things in lots of the KAC threads is because many of the threads are about said shit finish or something.

    Some companies care more about cronies and contracts than design and detail.

    Like you would know a fucking thing about actual product quality
     

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    Why not send it back?
    Sounds more like a PSA blem deal

    Never had that problem with a JP

    That said, if you’re going to do it, get it DLCed

    I’ve used this guy before with DLCing pistol stuff, good dude, but be sure you get a timeframe for completion


    Not firearms, but DLC


    JFC you're retarded
     

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    I like the MAMS as a brake, just slide the tube on it and it'll be whatever color u like
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    That is exactly how mine looks. I run the can 99% of the time so I don't give a shit what color it is. When I initially bought the can for so much corn, I was concerned about the FDE going to shit ( which is gay as fck) then I bought it shot it and never paid any attention.

    The mamas brake brought down the noise a bit with can on, and makes the flattest shooting AR on planet earth when running without the can. Mams is good shit.

    PB
     
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