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King Of 2 Mile ( Competition)

Vamike9

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    I went through the trouble to organize these as they are sometimes hard to find in the proper order.

    If you are interested in seeing these just click the playlist below.

    Thanks Mike

     
    Well done. The ELR discipline or category of competition shooting has really changed over the past five or six years.... especially over the past three from the filming.

    the components are better, equipment is better, and the amount of time preparing has most definitely increased. The teams are most definitely better. The opportunities to compete more are definitely better. I appreciate all of the advancements, and the event and show were/are a big part of the growth.

    However you define ELR, the discipline has exploded, and I believe the event itself plus show had a lot to do with it. Good, bad or indifferent .... I’m not here to argue a point.

    I have enjoyed the challenge Eduardo and ALex has offered many of us. It’s a challenge to perfect a imperfect shooting discipline..... its not easy, it’s very time consuming, humbling, exhilarating, and just a bit expensive. I enjoy every aspect of the discipline.

    Good Luck and great shooting!
    Chris Schmidt
    Tennessee
    RLTW
    Warner Tool Company
    TacomHQ
     
    With that said Chris, a lot of good memories and definitely a lot of good friends made along the way as we share ideas and strategies helping those shoot beyond their own expectations.

    Cheers
    Oneshot.onehit
    JH
     
    I am lucky we have a monthly local match and we shoot out passed 3000 yds. It gives you a new perspective on the challenge of shooting at these distances. Just a small change in the wind and you are off target. The group I shoot with is competitive but not at the cost of comradery . Looking at shooting the KO2M next year.
     
    Vamike9,

    Thanks for putting that together. Looks like a lot of fun (and work).
     
    Anyone have a link to the new rules for KO2M, did a search and only found their facebook page. BTW why does everyone use facebook for the events? They are very anti gun. Not a fan of FB if you haven't figured it out. lol
     
    Anyone have a link to the new rules for KO2M, did a search and only found their facebook page. BTW why does everyone use facebook for the events? They are very anti gun. Not a fan of FB if you haven't figured it out. lol
    Agreed about FB...I don't understand it..i was trying find some solids just a week ago or so and the only way to get them is FB...wont be using them...I don't FB...ever...

    Thanks for original post....nice
     
    Kind of related, here's an interesting mount that seems to make most any scope track correctly?...
    Where I think it would shine, would be if you have a canted reticle that's not aligned with turrets.
     
    Vamike9

    Its a very good mount, but I seen one posted on the wall for sale in 2017 within the second day and sad to say seen a fellow shooter have his come loose during the KO2M finale that year that devastated his performance after ranking very high in the qualifiers. Thats why most folks went with something that locks down solid or the Charlie.


    Oneshot.onehit
     
    Its long but here are the 2020 rules and the entry form follows for those that want to see it

    King of 2 Miles 2020 Match Rules
    27-29 June 2020
    NRA Whittington Center
    Raton, NM

    GENERAL RULES:

    •Team Size: This is a team competition. Each team consisting of up to 2 people, a shooter and spotter. The team must remain the same from the preliminaries all the way through the finals. No substitutions are allowed for the finals.

    •Spotters may only spot for one shooter.

    • Shooting order will be by random number generator. No gun will be permitted to be used more than once per day. The shooting order will be adjusted as necessary for shooters sharing rifles. If two shooters make it into the finals using the same gun, they will have to choose which of them shoots during the finals.

    • Target locations, ranges and angles will be posted the evening before the first day of competition at the Eagle’s Nest by the match director.

    •Rifle Limitations: Any rifle under 40 pounds is allowed, however, rifles over .50 caliber will require prior approval (to date we haven’t allowed any rifles over .50 cal). Rifle weight is determined by its “Ready to fire” configuration. Any rifle other than centerfire will require prior approval (muzzle loader, etc…).

    • The weight of all other shooting equipment is limited to 25 pounds.

    • Bipod: The bipod can only be attached to the rifle at a single point, however, having it attached to a RRS/ARCA rail, or a BipodExT system (in each case that is mounted parallel to the bore) is allowed and can be moved during the course of fire. Bipod legs must be capable of folding or otherwise collapsing along the length of the gun. In the collapsed position, the bipod, and everything else on the rifle cannot exceed a width of 8 inches. The only mechanical elevation adjustment in the front portion of the rifle and bipod system must come from the independent movement of each of the bipod legs. (Note: This does not limit the use of a mono-pod located near the rear of the rifle). The leg can only be attached to the rest of the bipod (with the exception of springs designed for rapid deployment like on the Harris) at a single point. The folding or extending portions of the legs do not require tools to deploy/operate and if asked to demonstrate, the shooter must be able to deploy the bipod from the fully folded and collapsed position into the firing position in under 10 seconds.
    The bipod may only have two points of contact with the ground. The foot of the leg that comes in contact with the ground may not exceed 4 inches in width or length. The rifle and bipod must remain rigid when firing, there can be no recoil dampening or movement of the rifle in relation to the bipod in any way for the purpose of damping/reducing recoil. Nothing can be placed on top of the bipod/rifle to add additional weight/support. Common examples of these are sandbags and stakes. No sharp pointed bipods which will damage the blast sheet are permitted. Unconventional designs must be sent in for approval ahead of time. As with all the rules, any team seen to be attempting to bend the bipod rule will be disqualified.

    • The shooter must make all adjustments to his/her rifle system once the string of fire begins. Examples, adjusting height of bipod/rifle, adjusting the scope or handling the ammo/loading the rifle. Once the string of fire begins, any forgotten equipment the shooter requires must be obtained by the shooter.

    • The rear of the rifle may be supported by a bag or pad of any kind, a monopod or the shooter but not an adjustable style rest that is not attached to the rifle.

    • With exception of the ammo, shooting mat, bipod elevation platforms and blast sheet, the shooter must be able to carry all of their equipment to the line in one trip. Allowances will be made for shooters over 65 and those with any physical impairment. A generic blast mat (tarp) will be on the ground at all firing positions and additional bipod elevation platforms will be available for all shooters to use.

    • Any rifle optics and spotting scope system that can be obtained commercially by anyone are allowed. No team may directly view the video feed from cameras, drones or receive ANY signal of any type (i.e. Doppler Radar) from outside the firing point while firing. Radio and/or hardwired communication style hearing protection is not allowed.

    • No team may use, at anytime during the match, any instrumentation that collects or records environmental data from points forward of the firing line. No wind indicators may be added to the range area forward of the staging area and firing line.

    • Ear and eye protection is required of everyone entering the shooting box. The box contains 4 teams, 2 firing and two setting up. We understand that some spotting scopes have a short eye relief that prevents the wearing of some eye protection. In this case, once it is that teams turn to fire, if the spotter is located behind the shooter, they may remove their eye protection.

    • Malfunctions: Time does not stop for rifle or equipment malfunctions. The shooter alone must clear the problem on the clock. In some cases, based on safety concerns, the match director may allow addition assistance with clearing a malfunction. After a rifle has a second malfunction of the same type, any additional malfunctions disqualify the shooter and the rifle must be removed from the line. At anytime that the match director deems the weapon or team unsafe, he can DQ/stop the shooting team.

    • Ko2M does not have equipment alibis, but the possibility of an organizational mistake can occur. Examples of these are: Incorrect hit and miss indications where the team acted on the call, camera failure or a broken target. For this reason, the Match Director might allow an alibi to be executed as follows:

    1. The team will repeat the stage from the moment the problem occurred. They will fire one round, not for score on the previous target (as required) and then continue for score until the end of their time or alibi session. The goal is to give the team a fair chance to finish the stage without a complete reshoot, which we don’t have the time for.
    2. The Match Director will decide on how to proceed and his decision is final.

    • Spectators are not permitted to communicate with the team currently shooting in any way.

    • No one outside the scoring team may watch the video feed in or behind the scoring area. This is a distraction to scoring team. Additionally, spectators have in the past inadvertently given details of impacts to the spotter which provides that team with an unfair advantage.

    • No practicing is allowed on the KO2M course prior to the competition. Any team found shooting at the cliffs behind the ranges (which is in violation of the NRAWC range rules) at anytime, will be disqualified from the match.

    • There will be a “shooting box” for the four teams on line. Each shooter and spotter will have their own position. Spectators must stay far enough away that they will not disturb the teams while shooting or setting up. For this reason, there will be no other personnel in the Shooting Area/Box with the exception of the professional photographers cleared by the K2M committee whom are there to record the entire event.

    • The team is on its own for sighting and adjusting impacts. No feedback will be provided by the personnel watching video of the target hits. Hits will be indicated by an auditory signal, nothing will be said for misses.

    • Shooter and Spotter will not call out target impacts. The K2M scoring team will make the call on this and provide a clear and concise auditory indicator when a target has been hit. This policy is due to many spotters falsely calling impacts and confusing everyone there.

    • A target is deemed “Hit” when it is the first thing that the nose of the bullet strikes after leaving the muzzle. Frame, strap and ground strikes that cause the target to move are considered misses. The call of the two scorers is final.

    •Protests in regard to hits or scoring must be submitted in writing with $50 cash. The protester must list the target and shot in question for their protest. Each shot is considered a separate protest. If a protest is judged to be valid, the $50 will be returned. Individual scores for the finals will be provided to the teams at least 30 minutes prior to the awards ceremony to allow for protests. At the end of that period, once the ceremony begins, scores are final.

    • Once teams have finished their shooting string, they must quickly remove their equipment to allow the next team to set up. Both the previous and next team will handle weapons UNLOADED and with a CHAMBER FLAG or other visual indicator of an empty chamber. The shooter may not dry fire during setup.

    • Teams that are waiting for their turn to move into the “Box” are prohibited from setting up on their rifles and looking through rifle mounted optics anywhere on the range and rehearsing looking at the targets and target area in any way whatsoever. This does not prohibit checking ones scope. Rehearsals must wait until the team is in the “Shooting Box”.

    • The “Failure to do right” rule is in effect for this competition. The match director can disqualify any competitor for attempting to stretch the letter of the rules or gaming to gain an unfair advantage which is against the spirit of the competition. A prime example of this is shooting at something other than the target to get a wind reading….

    COURSE OF FIRE:

    • Teams will be given a map/photo/listing of the target locations and ranges as determined by GPS and laser range finder. Competitors are welcome to use their own range finding equipment if they choose to.

    • The Firing Box will be set up with four teams. Numbered from left to right, 1-4. Two teams on the left side (1-2) and two teams on the right side (3-4). We will be firing two teams at a time. To accomplish this, the first team fires while the next team waits. Once the first team either fails to hit a target with the required number of rounds or when they fire their first shot on target number three, the match director will start the next team. Once the team gets into this “on deck” position, they need to be ready to start immediately upon being told to, no extra time will be given. Shooting sides (Left side teams and Right side teams) will alternate so that the muzzle blast of one team doesn’t affect the other. So firing positions 1 and 3 and firing positions 2 and 4 shoot together.

    • Teams are responsible for knowing when they shoot. Failure to show up on time can result in match DQ. As a minimum, any team that is late will be bumped to the end of the list. Teams that “no show” to gain a weather advantage will be DQed.

    Day 1 & 2:

    • Target ranges will be approximately 1500 to 2600 yards. Shooters will have 5 minutes to set up and 9 minutes to complete their five target string firing a total of 13 rounds. The procedure is simple, after the cold bore target, which is a single round, the team must hit a target to move to the next. The first 3 rounds fired at each one of the targets (past the CB) is for score, after that, the team is firing only to get a hit in order to advance to the next. So in theory, a team can end up firing 12 rounds at target one. Teams must fire at least 3 rounds at a target and get a hit before moving on.

    • The top scoring teams will advance to the finals on day three. This number has yet to be determined, but is normally one finalist for every five shooters. (i.e. 77 shooters=15 finalists, as we always round down)

    Day 3:

    • Target ranges will be approximately 2600 to 3600 yards. The top scoring teams will proceed to the finals. Shooters will have 5 minutes to set up and 10 minutes to complete the three target course of fire. Time allowing, shooters will fire a total of 15 shots. The team must hit the target in order to advance to the next and fire a minimum of 5 shots before proceeding to the next target. Hits after the fifth shot will allow progression to the next target but will award no points.

    SCORING: The scoring system is fair and is designed to give more points for first round hits and adds a proportional multiplier to targets at greater distances. All competitors will be shooting under the same system. All shooters have the same opportunity to get all of the points available. We are continuing to develop this system and it is expanded in detail to shooters who are participating in the match.
     
    Entry form info

    KING OF 2 MILES (Ko2M) 2020 Match Registration Form
    Match Dates and Location: June 27th to 29th, 2020 NRA Whittington Center, Raton, NM Name of Competitor: ___________________________________
    Name of Spotter _______________________________________
    Address: _____________________________________________
    Telephone Number: _____________________________________
    Email address: _________________________________________
    Previous ELR Match Participation: __________________________________________________ Caliber/Cartridge to be used in competition: __________________________________________ Ballistics Program: ______________________________________________________________ External MOA/MRAD Method (if any): _______________________________________________ Scope Make: ____________________________ Rings: ________________________________ Bullet Make/Mass: _______________________ Powder: _______________________________ Barrel Make: ____________________________ Action: ________________________________ Stock Make: ____________________________ Bipod: _________________________________
    Registrations will be accepted based upon previous ELR Match Experience. Shooters that wish to use calibers less that .375 will only be accepted based upon proven ability to perform at 2500 yards or further by that shooter with that gun. Any caliber over .50 BMG will need to be accepted by KO2M committee, prior of the competition. If your registration is accepted, you will be notified by email within a week. If we are unable to allocate a spot for you, you will be placed on a waitlist and you will be notified as soon as a spot opens up. The match fee will be $200 for FCSA members and $255 for non- members but will include a 1 year FCSA membership. Details on paying the match fee will be included in acceptance emails. If match fees are not paid within 1 week of acceptance, your registration will be rescinded and your position given to the next alternate. Shooters needing to cancel may do so up to 30 days prior to the match for a full refund of the match fee.
    Spotters that are not going to shoot do not need to apply. Every Registration form needs to filled in totally to the best of the knowledge of the shooter at the time of registration.
    One shirt and patch is included with match fees. If you would like extra shirts for yourself or spotters they will be available for order once the registration has been accepted for $20 each.
    Are You A Current Member of FCSA? (circle one) No Yes Membership #: ________ Expires: _________
    Would you object if photographs taken of you during the match were used by FCSA in magazine articles or posted on the FCSA Web Site? (circle one) Yes I would object No I wouldn't mind
    Please Note: If the preceding questions are not answered, FCSA will assume that you don't mind if any photographs taken of you are published in VHP or on the FCSA website.
    Signature of Competitor: Date:
    Send scanned form to: [email protected]
    If absolutely necessary, forms may be submitted as a picture provided everything on it is legible.
    CANCELLATION NOTICE: If for causes outside of our control the even has to be cancelled, for the scheduled dates,the fees will NOT be reimbursed and a new date will be fixed for the KO2M World Series finals 2020.
     
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    That part of the ruling has not changed in the last few years from what I seen. I think they are trying to eliminate someone from using a adjustable say F-class rifle rest in the back for adjusting your vertical. As long as its a bag, attached mono pod or the shooter you’re fine.
     
    Is the heavy and light division explained in the rules? I didn’t see that mentioned when I skimmed over.

    I’ve read that 338 and below, 25lbs or less, and a bolt face size restriction. The bolt face size restrictions is what I don’t understand. I guess a 338BMG would be a little ridiculous but I feel like trying to cram longer cartridges in a Lapua sized action is asking for trouble.
     
    One class 40 lbs and under - KO2M

    A lot of other events in the country have the heavy and a light class. The bolt face thing is a way of splitting the group. The Cheytac and a few others that have been necked down to a 338 would then be in the open class. If that was the case with rules at a given event.

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    JH
     
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    I went through the trouble to organize these as they are sometimes hard to find in the proper order.

    If you are interested in seeing these just click the playlist below.

    Thanks Mike

    Thank you. With extra time this will be very enjoyable to watch
     
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    Can anyone clarify on the bipod rule for me?
    The way I am reading it even if you could get something like the pheonix bipod to fold parallel to the barrel it would still be against the rules because the legs do not adjust independently? kinda seems like bs to me. Like we will allow you to slide your bipod on an arca rail for adjustment but if you wanna move the feet they have to be moved separately?
     
    The Pheonix would fail for the following.

    1. Not foldable.
    2. Too wide.
    3. Adjustable front.
    4. Feet too wide.

    Acceptable bipods will be tactical style bipods like the Atlas, Harris, blah blah blah.....but without the use of decent feet...because you will poke through their blast shields....aka dust barriers. While many may think this rule is silly....I think if you allow the Pheonix...then it is a slippery slope to allowing an SEB front rest with gyro micro adjustments and recoil dampening rail guides.

    I'll shoot my Pheonix where I can....and the Atlas where I can't....just like I shoot muzzle brakes where I can.....and an ugly ass thread protector where I can't.
     
    I'll shoot my Pheonix where I can....and the Atlas where I can't....just like I shoot muzzle brakes where I can.....and an ugly ass thread protector where I can't.

    I just got my Phoenix, but haven't put it to the test yet. I was hoping to get out tomorrow, but I didn't feel up to loading today. I might try for Sunday.

    What Atlas are you using?
     
    I just got my Phoenix, but haven't put it to the test yet. I was hoping to get out tomorrow, but I didn't feel up to loading today. I might try for Sunday.

    What Atlas are you using?

    For the Atlas...I'm just using the old CAL with a 419 ARCA mount.
     
    I'll probably get a SCAL also...but right now..I got other stuff to buy. The only time the CAL let me down was...when I was driving 250gr A-Tips at 3000fps+ and the right hand torque was really ripping the bipod to the side cant wise. It was locked down as much as I could with the little throw lever...and when I wanted to re-adjust cant...I had to loosen the throw lever....even things out...and then crank down on it again.

    Yes....it was torquing over that hard on the 300PRC. Brass was toast after that competition...and back to 230's I went.
     
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    I'll probably get a SCAL also...but right now..I got other stuff to buy. The only time the CAL let me down was...when I was driving 250gr A-Tips at 3000fps+ and the right hand torque was really ripping the bipod to the side cant wise. It was locked down as much as I could with the little throw lever...and when I wanted to re-adjust cant...I had to loosen the throw lever....even things out...and then crank down on it again.

    Yes....it was torquing over that hard on the 300PRC. Brass was toast after that competition...and back to 230's I went.
    For big torque you really should think about the elite iron.
     
    For big torque you really should think about the elite iron.

    Sure thing...you got $700 I can use?...heh My Wish List is long and expensive. I'll try to keep it under $10k this year...but I doubt I will....just too much on the ole wish list.
     
    Sure thing...you got $700 I can use?...heh My Wish List is long and expensive. I'll try to keep it under $10k this year...but I doubt I will....just too much on the ole wish list.
    Lol
    You’ll smoke brass for a supposed edge then cheap out for a real one?
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    The Pheonix would fail for the following.

    1. Not foldable.
    2. Too wide.
    3. Adjustable front.
    4. Feet too wide.
    I was thinking of custom building something similar that would fold and have feet that meet the size resticiton but kind of sucks you cant have the feet adjust at the same time. It would be nice to be able to adjust them at the same time but also independently level them. oh well, I'll figure something else out