Re: Krieger Barrels(ar-15)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2ndPanzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Thank you Edwin, you r post did remind me of something as far as Krieger barrel getting better. My Team rifle was issued to me with Zero rounds through it, I turned it in at the end of the season with 3000 on it. I do distinctly remember the scores and rapid fire groups getting better at 300 and especially at 800 rds. Right at about 500 rds or so it was easy to clean and decoppering was a one patch affair. Very nice. The regimen we use to clean the rifles are simple. Hoppes to get the carbon out and sweets after that to get the copper out, every time we fired, and then a bare brush after the normal cleaning with JB for 5 Swioes every 300 rds. Mainly for throat maintenance.This is thier gun, thier rules, but after seeing how it maintained its accuracy and how easy the cleaning went after the first 300 rds or so, I adopted it fo my personal AR15 and AR10 competition rifles.,
And Diver, I am not sure reliabilty would be affected at all with a barrel change. My Match rifles have been flawless, but they are very well maintained and are fed high quality ammunition. I keep them fairly wet, and for what they are they are run "hard" with the countless practice sessions and competitions. The 3k rounds occured in only 3 months of service. The only malfunctions we ever encountered were a faulty magazine, and a bad extractor. Accuracy will go up of course, and will improve in the first couple of hundred rounds if you take care of it, and last for 3500-4000 rds or so before you start to see an effect. The NM rifles we use are easily 1/2 minute after being settled in and fed the right ammo. And even before that are 3/4 min or so. namely Mk262 and Atlanta Arms 77 AMU load. ( VERY impressive ammo there, 2950 from a 20 in rifle, seriously. And will hold half the X ring at 600 with a good shooter. ) Of course these rifles are built by highly experienced gunsmiths one at a time and tinkered with until it is just right mechanically and every trick in the book is used. Plus they are tailored to each individual shooter as much as possible within the rules. No offense to Mr. Gene Clark of the AMU, as he is a fantastic and very innovating Gunsmith, and pretty much made the AR15 the NM rifle that it is today, and has been extremely helpful to me personally, but I think we have the best gunsmiths in the country working for the Guard.
( Insert friendly rivalry here) If your heart is set on a Krieger, You might want to give CLE or WOA a call about sending them your upper to swap out all the propietary parts to the New barrel. But one last thing I think I faied to mention was the Barrel nut on the URX rail on the E3 is alo propietart and the special tool is $300. Some shops will remove or install the rail for a $50 fee however, before you send the barrel in. Expect to spend about $500 or more for the barrel and work. A profiles, Chamberd ready to run 1-7.7 CLE service rifle barrel will run into the $400 range, and over $500 for an AR10 version. Might be worth it to get the E3 and run it into the ground first then consider rebarreling, but it will Take a WHILE to run out the KAC Hammer forged Chromed bore barrel. Mine has been accurate enough for what I ask of it, anything more I have the Service rifls to go to or the NM A4 that got rebarreled and converted to a DMR type in the Army 3rd ID specs. Hope this helps you.
SSG Jonathan O'Neal
ETA, Just thought of this, you may be best served by just getting a dedicated Krieger upper to swap with the E3 for use requirements. Just a thought as alot of the Service Rifle builders offer a DMR type with the Krieger barrell and outstanding accuracy as well, built by people that know how, for a decent price. Just a thought. </div></div>
hey thanks for all the info and like you said i will probably just run the barrel into the ground before i switch it out which might take 20 years but thats a reason you pay big bucks for a long lasting rifle right?!