Does an anodizing shop need an FFL to anodize firearm parts? Such as receivers? Im pretty sure they can do everything else without one. But my local shop was questioning the receiver.
Gunsmithing Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
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Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
i wish there was a definate answer for stuff like this. in one week i have heard everything from yes i can ship my rifle to a non-ffl out of state for re-barreling and he can ship it back to me directly, to no one but the CMP can mail me a firearm at my home address, everyone else must mail ffl to ffl and complete a 4473 each time even for your own rifle to get rebarreled. its strange that an anodizing place has to worry about such things.
i wish there was a definate answer for stuff like this. in one week i have heard everything from yes i can ship my rifle to a non-ffl out of state for re-barreling and he can ship it back to me directly, to no one but the CMP can mail me a firearm at my home address, everyone else must mail ffl to ffl and complete a 4473 each time even for your own rifle to get rebarreled. its strange that an anodizing place has to worry about such things.
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
As long as you are not changing the way the gun works then you should be fine.
As long as you are not changing the way the gun works then you should be fine.
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
You are allowed to ship your gun, or receiver to any shop holding an FFL directly and he can ship it back to you directly. Anyone doing business in firearms whether selling or maintaining them with the intentions of earning part or all of his livelihood doing so is required to have an FFL. If he does it as a hobbie then no FFL is required. Hope that helps, it is out of the federal regs book for FFL requirements.
You are allowed to ship your gun, or receiver to any shop holding an FFL directly and he can ship it back to you directly. Anyone doing business in firearms whether selling or maintaining them with the intentions of earning part or all of his livelihood doing so is required to have an FFL. If he does it as a hobbie then no FFL is required. Hope that helps, it is out of the federal regs book for FFL requirements.
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Ok yeah there wouldnt be any shipping involved so the need for no need for an FFL there. But yet it is a custom anodizing shop an business and not a hobbiest so even if I walk the parts in myself he cant touch them without an FFL..is that what you are getting from the Fed regs STR?
Ok yeah there wouldnt be any shipping involved so the need for no need for an FFL there. But yet it is a custom anodizing shop an business and not a hobbiest so even if I walk the parts in myself he cant touch them without an FFL..is that what you are getting from the Fed regs STR?
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If they make $$ doing the work, they need a license. If they do it for free, then you will be alright, but it could be misconstrued.
IF you best friend has an anodizing setup in his garage and he does if for you for free, there is no issue. If you bring him a 6 pack, ur not legal(stupid huh?)
If they make $$ doing the work, they need a license. If they do it for free, then you will be alright, but it could be misconstrued.
IF you best friend has an anodizing setup in his garage and he does if for you for free, there is no issue. If you bring him a 6 pack, ur not legal(stupid huh?)
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Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
</div></div>
Does this apply to FTF transfers as well?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
</div></div>
Does this apply to FTF transfers as well?
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
</div></div>
+1....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: heatseekins</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wrong, If someone other than the OWNER takes possession of a serialized part they MUST have a FFL. Period, no loop holes nothing. Same as you cant give or sell someone a firearm and ship it to them. Has to go to a FFL on the receiving end.
If you stand there and watch them anodize it or whatever then you dont because it never left your possession.
Contact the ATF for your legal answers instead of trusting what someone may or may not know on the net.
</div></div>
+1....
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
Also if it is an AW in Kalifornia you need a special license if you are working on or going to have possession of while registered owner is not there.
Also if it is an AW in Kalifornia you need a special license if you are working on or going to have possession of while registered owner is not there.
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As far as i know in some states FTF sals are ok. Idaho we are good.
As far as i know in some states FTF sals are ok. Idaho we are good.
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What? Last time I checked you can loan a Gun to someone without transfer Ffl. In my above example we assume local and not across state lines. Here in America we can sell f2f with no paperwork or anything. Just have to verify state of residence. If your pal wants to paint you're gun for free he is legal to do so- as ownership has not changed. Easy and no grey area.
What? Last time I checked you can loan a Gun to someone without transfer Ffl. In my above example we assume local and not across state lines. Here in America we can sell f2f with no paperwork or anything. Just have to verify state of residence. If your pal wants to paint you're gun for free he is legal to do so- as ownership has not changed. Easy and no grey area.
Re: Laws on Anodizing rifle parts
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Militant83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does an anodizing shop need an FFL to anodize firearm parts? Such as receivers? Im pretty sure they can do everything else without one. But my local shop was questioning the receiver. </div></div>
this is from the ATF website
Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms?
Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer.
[27 CFR 478.11]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmiths.html#license-activities
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Militant83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does an anodizing shop need an FFL to anodize firearm parts? Such as receivers? Im pretty sure they can do everything else without one. But my local shop was questioning the receiver. </div></div>
this is from the ATF website
Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms?
Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer.
[27 CFR 478.11]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmiths.html#license-activities
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