Suppressors Legality's of owning a suppressor

[savage110]

Ok so long story short, my family is Canadian but is living in the USA (Arizona) and we have the right to purchase firearms. I was told by a friend who owns suppressors that to own one you had to be American so I took his word for it. I never really checked up on it myself as it wasn't high on my priority list. Well I would love to own one( its awesome not having to wear ear muffs while shooting, recoil management is also a bonus), and I will have some funds opening up in the near future, so Im tryng to find out the legality's.

Is there any legal way a Canadian can own a suppressor in the US or is it strictly only legal for US citizens?

Thanks
-Felipe

 

[TrooperBrian]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

We're the wrong people to ask. You can get a handful of different answers. From what I understand, no, because you have to sign a compliance form that says you are a citizen.

But call the NFA Branch of the ATF West Virginia during normal business hours EST, 1-304-616-4500.

 

[BookHound]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

 

[Downzero]

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You need to be a permanent resident to own any type of firearm, so that'd be the first question.

 

[KYS]

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If you claim residency here you can get one. But if you have dual citizenship they will say no. We have a friend that came from South Africa about 3 years ago, he got into hunting and long range shooting. When we all got into class 3 items, he wanted a suppressor for dual roles on 2 rifles. ATF told him he had to claim residency and be a US Citizen, legally.

If you transfer class 3 items OUT of the US, you are going to be in deep crap! I tried for months to get a PGW Timberwolf suppressor from Canada and the ATF/NFA said under no circumstance could they allow importing of a suppressor.

And on another note, you being under 21. You cannot purchase the suppressor. You also will have to have LEO signatures or have the money to pay a lawyer to form a trust. Your dad can form the trust and put you as a trustee, but you are very limited in where the suppressor go. Check your state laws and retain the advice and guidance of a lawyer. This is not something you want to take lightly, as screwing it up can land you in serious trouble with the Feds.

 

[KYS]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no.

 

[BookHound]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need to be a permanent resident to own any type of firearm, so that'd be the first question. </div></div>

This is correct and I assumed the OP is a perm resident.

 

[savage110]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

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Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. </div></div> no you dont you have to have residency.

 

[savage110]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOhave to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

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Mark, I am typing this from my phone so I wont pm you right this instant but as soon as I get back home I am going to shoot you a pm, I have a few questions on how to go about doing the transfer to a Canadian.
Thanks
Felipe

 

[Ranb]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And on another note, you being under 21. You cannot purchase the suppressor. You also will have to have LEO signatures or have the money to pay a lawyer to form a trust. </div></div>

A person must be 21 to have a silencer transferred from a dealer, 18 to make or buy from an unlicensed person in their state. No need to pay a lawyer to form a trust. Many people use Quicken Willmaker. I did after the lowest price I could find for a lawyer to draw up a trust was $600.

Ranb

 

[Brasscow]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

Article 1, section 24 of the uniform law enforcement code on suppressor ownership states:

"The subject wishing to acquire a suppressor must fully understand the reason for apostrophe usage and that it's sometimes better to use an 'ies' than a 'y's'". It further goes on to state that "The [subject] must also be capable of 1/4MOA groups at 100yds <span style="text-decoration: underline">all day long</span>".

You meet the second requirement, but I believe you might want to pick up a 2nd grade English book and review the principles within before you submit an application. Best of luck to you in your quest.

 

[savage110]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

Dont shit in my thread. Go somewheres else

 

[tcasexx]

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Man call the ATF they have always been very easy to deal with but make notes of who you talk to and what they tell you. sometimes they dont have the answer but will find out pretty quick. other than that suppresors are awesome dont know how i made it without one!!

call the NFA Branch of the ATF West Virginia during normal business hours EST, 1-304-616-4500.

 

[BookHound]

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LOL. I might have to dust off my regs about the Canadian transfer. I'll help you all I can though.

And if you are 18-20 you can still buy NFA items. You just can't buy them from (get this...) a dealer. You can buy legally from an individual in your state if you are over 18 but not yet 21. Makes sense, huh?

 

[savage110]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. I might have to dust off my regs about the Canadian transfer. I'll help you all I can though.

And if you are 18-20 you can still buy NFA items. You just can't buy them from (get this...) a dealer. You can buy legally from an individual in your state if you are over 18 but not yet 21. Makes sense, huh?

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You still have to have it transferred into your name correct? It will be in my dad's name and most likely Ill be put as a trustee on it as I am under 21.
Would like to know the steps I should take on proceeding with this, I was offered a suppressor with the purchase of an AIAW at the price of the tax stamp, so If possible Id like to buy the whole package. What are the steps of having a suppressor transfered from an American to a Canadian living in the US?

 

[TrooperBrian]

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You see all this garbage? This is EXACTLY WHY I said to call the NFA, end of story.

Also why tac driver copy pasted my message.

 

[JCH]

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I can talk you through a surgical procedure if needed. I have no experience except I had surgery once, but would gladly point you in the right direction.

call the ATF, stop asking us

 

[Downzero]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no. </div></div>

Are you aware that a person with a "green card" is not a citizen?

Do you know the law regarding resident aliens and firearms?

If not, you should find another thread.

 

[BookHound]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no. </div></div>

Are you aware that a person with a "green card" is not a citizen?

Do you know the law regarding resident aliens and firearms?

If not, you should find another thread. </div></div>

Yep, aware but admittedly it has been a couple years at least since I transferred anything to a non-citizen. I've been a class III dealer for many years and have transferred several suppressors specifically to Canadian citizens in that time.

I do agree a call to the NFA branch will answer all the questions though. That should probably be the OP's first call tomorrow.

 

[savage110]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no. </div></div>

Are you aware that a person with a "green card" is not a citizen?

Do you know the law regarding resident aliens and firearms?

If not, you should find another thread. </div></div>

Yep, aware but admittedly it has been a couple years at least since I transferred anything to a non-citizen. I've been a class III dealer for many years and have transferred several suppressors specifically to Canadian citizens in that time.

I do agree a call to the NFA branch will answer all the questions though. That should probably be the OP's first call tomorrow.

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I think Downzero was referring to KYS338. I just sent you a pm Mark, and yes Ill be giving the ATF a call tomorrow.
Thanks
-Felipe

 

[Downzero]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

Yeah I was talking about KYS338.

 

[Renegade]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage110</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok so long story short, my family is Canadian but is living in the USA (Arizona) and we have the right to purchase firearms. </div></div>

Process is the same, except for the obvious NFA procedures. But your citizenship does not change anything, you still show the same ID as you did for the regular firearm.

 

[KYS]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no. </div></div>

Are you aware that a person with a "green card" is not a citizen?

Do you know the law regarding resident aliens and firearms?

If not, you should find another thread. </div></div>

Dont jump the gun. Ive bought and transfered more suppressors then you have firearms! I might have explained it wrong but I would call the ATF/NFA Branch and talk with a specialist. This is or can be a tricky situation.

I also talked with them on the trust debate. All I will say is if your going to do it, pay for the lawyer to write it. They review every single trust against your state regs. And sad to say Quicken just doesn't have the appropriate language for your heirs to the trust when it comes time for them to take it over. Also, they can (but rarely) will say the trust is invalid because of your state laws. Again, this is a perfect example of why you need to speak to them. And, I would have your dad call if he is going to start the trust.

 

[KYS]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">YES! You are legally able to purchase and own a suppressor if you are here legally. You do NOT have to be a US citizen. I know this as fact as I've sold and transferred suppressors to several Canadian citizens.

Find a local dealer who is knowledgeable and he'll take care of everything.

</div></div>

Thats dependent on wether you are here via green card, work lease, or a few other items. You DO have to be a US citizen to own a firearm. Juan cant jump the border and go into a gun store and purchase a Desert Eagle.... thats a no no. </div></div>

<span style="color: #FF0000">Are you aware that a person with a "green card" is not a citizen?</span>

Do you know the law regarding resident aliens and firearms?

If not, you should find another thread. </div></div>

No shit Sherlock!

 

[TrooperBrian]

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[Timo Turl]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

See ATF website, there is a tonne of info on there and contact numbers for regional offices. They are extremely helpful and the best way to proceed.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nonimmigrant-aliens.html

 

[KYS]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

Call 314-616-4500 and ask for Ron Howard or a specialist in the field of your questions. Good luck. You can call the ATF 5 times and get 6 different answers!

 

[TrooperBrian]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call 314-616-4500 and ask for Ron Howard or a specialist in the field of your questions. Good luck. You can call the ATF 5 times and get 6 different answers!

</div></div>

Heh that's why its best to send a letter and ask for a reply in writing.

 

[Tokay444]

Re: Legality's of owning a suppressor

You need to be a permanent resident to own any type of firearm, so that'd be the first question.

I know this is a really old thread, but it popped up on an unrelated google search, and I have to mention, this is not correct. If you read the instructions on the 4473, it outlines the requirements of non-citizen, non-permanent residents. I've bought two firearms here so far and I'm neither of those.