Rifle Scopes little help on FFP

[RANGER_MAC]

In looking at the falcon menace 4-14x44 FFP scopes, I have been reading on the FFP retices for acurate mil dot measurements at any magnification.

Looking at some of the pictures it appears the reticle is pretty small at the 4x power setting and about "REGULAR" size at the 14 (as most mil-dot scopes are at 10x or 14x in the SFP scopes).

Are these pictures mis-leading or is the reticle pretty small to the eye at the lower settings. I would like to use this scope for multiple ranges and just was worried about not being able to easily read the mil marks at lower settings.

Thanks and sorry if sounds stupid, just all of the pictures make it look like this to me and I dont have experience with any FFP scopes.

 

[wirehand]

Re: little help on FFP

Yes , the reticle is small @4x.
This and the reticle maybe being fat at max power is the down side of the ffp scopes.

However I have found if left at 6-8x said scope can be used for the 50-400m distances readilly.

FFP is still my choice.

 

[Pat M]

Re: little help on FFP

I have scopes in FFP and 2FP no big deal using either one. If your shooting praire dogs at 800yds it might make a diffrence.

Wish my Nightforce and IOR were FFP also.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: little help on FFP

Pictures and an actual eyeball on the scope will be perceived differently. Search online for a "through the scope picture" of an ACOG's reticle-it looks way to tiny to be used for anything!

Try to get an actual look through something prior to buying. That said, I will only use FFP or fixed scoped-missed shots due to holdovers being wrong from not being on the correct power are unacceptable in my opinion.

The perception of "reticles being to fat" at higher powers on FFP's is not a good one. Actually a SFP reticle covers more of the target as power is decreased, and an FFP's reticle/target relationship are the same no matter what. One should know what reticle one's buying and what that reticle subtends, and pick a reticle based on the optic's intended use (consider S&B's for example: P3 is a regular mildot with thickish lines, the P4 is a little slimmer, and the P4F is a reticle that works great with high magnification, but is arguably too fine at low magnification).
They are tools, just pick the right tool for the job.

 

[RANGER_MAC]

Re: little help on FFP

thanks guys. i use an acog sometimes at work and its reticle is fine, but i know what you mean on some pictures.

It just makes the smaller settings seem almost useless in the pictures, but they are useless in SFP I guess (meaning not accurate).

Just need to find a reticle that on low setting still is a good look reticle and doesn't fade away.

 

[doc76251]

Re: little help on FFP

Take a look at this thread it has lots of pics. Of course the scope in the thread was designed to be used on low power and it is a 1.5 - 6X not 14X.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...390#Post1425390

Cheers,

Doc

 

[gugubica]

Re: little help on FFP

Can you mil with most FFP reticles at 4x?

No.

Do you need to?

No.

If you are cranked down that far, you just use the entire reticle like a simple duplex. You can still use them for establishing a point of aim. In most situations that you need to be that low, you are close enough that it does not matter.

 

[head2h2o]

Re: little help on FFP

My experience is that the reticle is very small at the lower magnifications, almost do the point of not being usable in my book.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: little help on FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: head2h2o</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My experience is that the reticle is very small at the lower magnifications, almost do the point of not being usable in my book. </div></div>

See gugubica's post above yours......

 

[918v]

Re: little help on FFP

You need at least 8x before the reticle becomes useful.

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

Re: little help on FFP

Milling is more accurate at higher power. Not many reasons to mil on low power.

Now I may reduce the power after ranging. And I most certainly use the holdovers at low power.

 

[mattj]

Re: little help on FFP

The situation where I find the most benefit from FFP is when rapidly transitioning between different targets at different ranges --

Using a mid power really helps to "find" the targets as you transition, and the FFP allows you to use holdoffs at whatever zoom level you use so that you don't have to "dial" between targets.

This hits it on the head for the lowest powers:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are cranked down that far, you just use the entire reticle like a simple duplex. You can still use them for establishing a point of aim. In most situations that you need to be that low, you are close enough that it does not matter.</div></div>

 

[RANGER_MAC]

Re: little help on FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mattj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The situation where I find the most benefit from FFP is when rapidly transitioning between different targets at different ranges --

Using a mid power really helps to "find" the targets as you transition, and the FFP allows you to use holdoffs at whatever zoom level you use so that you don't have to "dial" between targets.

This hits it on the head for the lowest powers:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are cranked down that far, you just use the entire reticle like a simple duplex. You can still use them for establishing a point of aim. In most situations that you need to be that low, you are close enough that it does not matter.</div></div>
</div></div>

thanks, that is what I found with my looking around. The reticle should still be able to be used as a duplex, even it being small will still have the features of a duplex and not fade away or get lost in the back ground.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: little help on FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 918v</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You need at least 8x before the reticle becomes useful. </div></div>

I don't have the best eyes, but I can use my GenIIXR at 5X.


Where FFP really shines is I never miss a shot using holdovers because my scope wasn't dialed to the right power.......