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Movie Theater Looking for new Authors

Prairie Dog Dundee

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I read more than I go to the movies. I like James Lee Burke, Vince Flynn, Bernard Cornwell, Brad Thor, John Sandford, Robert Parker and Laurance Block. Can anyone suggest a new author who produces books along these lines? Active readers will recognize at least a few of the above.
Thanks
PDD
 
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Chuck Logan, Randy Wayne White, James W. Hall, P.T. Deutermann, and Carol O'Connell.

They're all on my A list. I've read everything all of them have written.
 
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Maybe I am feeling argumentative tonite?

I just wrote a review of the Stephen Hunter Swagger book series. I am disappointed, actually purely disgusted with the scummy shit these authors work into the plots to pander sexually and degrade their readers.

I read No Country For Old Men, and The Road by Cormac McCarthy and got similar vibes.

Andrew Vachss is an attorney who was/is very proactive on defense of abused/molested children. His Burke series began with a hard hitting and gritty tone, a hood (BB Burke) and his crewe of underworld contacts stinging the dark denizens of pedophilia and other rotten types. In his later books, Vachss cannot seem to regain his earlier moral compass. He depicts Burke in many deeds of debauchery and spends a great deal of time on the elements of B&D and other perversions. At one point he decided to drop the Burke character altogether, and it was way past time.

Too many authors get a formula going. Robert Ludlum is an example. Vachss was too cutesy with what wonderful characters Burkes Blow buddies were. Should have all be napalmed at the back table of Mama's chink noodle parlor and NYC would've been the better for it. Except that wouldn't have gotten rid of the mole...

Anyway, I am tired of having to pretend that "good men" are all sexually depraved and that perversions are mere pecadillos. Yet, such is what the authors or publishers want to present.

In contemporary America, there is no effort to uplift or guide the citizenry in any direction but down into the gutter.


If you want to read anything of quality, you just about have to look to those works copyrighted before WW-I. CS Forester's Hornblower series and Tolkeins Trilogy being exceptions. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer and Fleming's Bond books are less objectionable for the author's time of publication did not allow gross offense to be conveyed to the reader. They were not published by Evergreen afterall...

Stephen Hunter's Swagger books could have been stronger and worth praise, except for his mistaken opinion that contemporary fiction requires all men to be scum, weak, and with no morals or decency.

Vachss proved himself to me to be a pervert by his writing.

It is no accident that America is on the brink of collapse. Absence of morality and clear code of conduct will bring anyone to failure. Just realize it has not been done to US by accident.


If you really want to experience great literature, try the classics. Not much better than Les Miserables, Tom Jones, Tristam Shandy, Silas Marner, Henry V, The Merchant of Venice, King Lear, MacBeth...
 
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Hey Swamper,
First of all I am a published author who agrees with you one-hundred percent. I don't write the same type of work, I write, (Youth, Fantasy, Adventure) Which I know is a ways away from Stephen Hunter but after reading all of his books there are things about his characters that leave you stained wondering why they added that. I have to say that when you watch a movie based after a book you usually are disapointed but I have to say the movie Shooter was better than Point of Impact by Stephen Hunter. If people place a voice loud enough in the media they will be forced to produce good works of fiction. Keep up the complaints, I hope they are heard.
 
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I am certain these questionable passages are a bone thrown to the publishers at their insistance. Sex sells, and if you want to sell to women, it's gotta be in there. Look at the covers of the magazines whose advertising is targeted toward the fairer gender. If there isn't the word 'sex' on the cover at least once, the cover designer is in deep dudu. I make a point of keeping sexism out of my posts, but this time, there's no way around it.

Tolkien readers will find R.A. Salvatore reasonably chaste, anything by the SciFi ABC's (Asimov, Bradbury, and Clark) likewise, and John D. MacDonald's works are also great and untwisted.

Greg
 
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Was going to mention Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven. As a combo team or as solo authors. Pournelles compendiums There Will Be War are pretty interesting. Lucifer's Hammer is the best survivalist novel ever written. Also have to love Frank Herbert's Dune at least the first 3 of the series.

Hard to beat Jeff Cooper's To Ride, Shoot Straight and Tell The Truth, Sixguns by Keith, The Competititve AR The Mouse That Roared by Zediker, Precision Shooting's Benchrest Primer, Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook, also any of the Tom Brown books or handbooks.

I enjoyed most of Unintended Consequences except for the scummy sex and debasement of Henry and his MG dealing buddy. Who cares about Janet Reno anyway? What we care about is that there are Ron Horiuchi types out there who will do what they do and sully our Nation. Scum...
 
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Pournelle and Niven, Preston and Childs. Lots more out there.
 
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Swamper, enjoy reading your authorship comments, and sometimes question myself why I accept such pandering in fiction. The simple answers have already been provided: sex sells, and we allow it.

While staying in the UK once, I heard a woman on BBC remark that "war will not end because men will be men... until several generations of boys have been raised under feminism..."

Disparate as my comments might seem, my mind linked the two. Discuss amongst yourself.

Hunter is a movie critique for the Baltimore Sun, or was. Like so many other people not affiliated with the real story, he became enamored with the GySgt Hathcock story and this compelled him to start his Bobby Lee tales.

As for other authors, the list is endless. Some are merely "mind candy," my description of something that allows me to drift within a good story without really gaining anything from it but the entertainment factor and to pass the time. Lee Childs, for instance. Forrester and Griffin and Cornwell, come to mind as well, although they do a service by weaving their story into the historically significant events.

Although George Smiley has passed, I strongly urge you to pick up a LeCarre (actually David john Moore Cornwell) novel, most of which cover the British foreign and/or secret service through the cold war. His later works have turned more pointed, throwing off the ambiguity of the cold war and focusing on the more prescient issues facing globalization...pharmaceutical companies, anti-terrorism. Take note that his writing is not for the average reader. The "Dude, did you see that head come apart man?" feature is turned off and the character development is more mature than the average author. The good guys get hurt too and the action is unusually subtle. The most recent, A Most Wanted Man, is just as surperb as the earlier award winners, although I suspect that many here will not agree with the question it ultimately puts before them. The ambiguity is back.

Mark Helprin is worth a look as well. "A Soldier of the Great War" is one of the best stories I have read.
 
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I'm currently reading <span style="font-style: italic">A Most Wanted Man</span>. Even were I not interested in the questions Le Carre raises, the guy can flat write.

Another good espionage writer is Robert Littel.

But the best of them all I have read is Charles McCarry. A CIA operative who worked for many years with a cover as a journalist, he writes very, very well. To me he is at least the equal of Le Carre. <span style="font-style: italic">The Tears of Autumn</span> became an instant classic. It was written in 1974, and McCarry has only gotten better. <span style="font-style: italic">Second Sight</span> is a masterwork.

 
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LOL. I have the entire McCarry works as well. I like LeCarre better in terms of writing skills and character development but Paul Christopher is the American Smiley. The Tears of Autumn introduced a Kennedy conspiracy that I had not seen before but found plausible. Bride of the Wilderness I also enjoyed and wish they would make into a very, long movie...
 
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Prairie Dog,
Take a look at Marcus Wynne. He's got pretty good creds, and writes like he knows what he's talking about. Two of his three books are out of print, but easy to snag new-used for cheap from Amazon retailers. A buddy turned me onto him a couple months ago. I've since read all three books and consider him my favorite Specwar author so far. I also read them in the order they were written, and am glad I did.

http://www.marcuswynne.com
 
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Currently sharing a half dozen each of JD Robb and Jim Butcher with Celia while we vedge our way through the merry month of March down here in Orlandotown. We should be ready for another half dozen or so of each right about the time next month's SSD hits the account next week.

OK, JD Robb has some Gothic style explicits, and Butcher's mage gets a little bit of discrete 'tang, but it's not something from the porno store (at least I think it isn't..., hmmmm...)
 
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Don't know, I don't do Nora stuff, just discovered Robb. Murder mysteries set in mid-21st Centure, NYSPD Detective Eve Dallas. Credible, good pace, excellent writing style, appealing to both Celia and myself.
 
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"If you really want to experience great literature, try the classics. Not much better than Les Miserables, Tom Jones, Tristam Shandy, Silas Marner, Henry V, The Merchant of Venice, King Lear, MacBeth..."

BORES my @$$ to tears !! Also got my butt into trouble when in HS because I was reading Tolkien, Heinlein, Asimov & Norton. Not to mention Musashi , Kipling & Twain ... Was even worse when I went back to school (College) after 10 years of military & a few years of "This & That" and one of my last quarters I HAD to have a Eng Lit course so I went for "Olde English" and really messed with the teacher's mind when I stated I thought Sir Gawain was a WUSS !

Who decides the "Classics"?? Is it on the same lines as who is nominated for the Oscars ? Just because some educator says it is good doesn't mean it's so. Look at Ayers & that wacko out in Co (Ward something ???).

Last but not least, since I haven't read McCarry ... can anyone suggest which books to read 1st, 2nd, 3rd ? Does he write in different genre ?
 
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Most of McCarry's work is about an intelligence operation. The main character is Paul Christopher. Perhaps the best place to start is with <span style="font-style: italic">The Tears of Autumn</span>.

Amazon lists it as in stock.
 
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You're welcome. I don't have a lot of storage room for books, but I have all of McCarry here, and re-read him periodically. Sure, I know the story, but his writing is so good that it's a pleasure to read again even so.
 
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About the only room in my home that doesn't have book shelves is the hallway !! If I could figure out how to mount them high enough to not bump my head I would !! Even have an old bakers style rack loaded with books & magazines & catalogs in master bathroom ... talk about a reading room !!