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Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
Brother... I have had great results with the Bravo Company BCG's. They are built right, from the box. You can go mild to wild with BCG's... but, the BCM BCGs are done right. Not bad on the wallet either...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-...20auto%20mp.htm
Brother... I have had great results with the Bravo Company BCG's. They are built right, from the box. You can go mild to wild with BCG's... but, the BCM BCGs are done right. Not bad on the wallet either...
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-...20auto%20mp.htm
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
Any CMT made bolt will be great. CMT is stags sister/parent company. They actually make most of the m16 BCG out there, and a good portion of the AR15 BCG as well. Some very "famous" companies use CMT parts and just mark up the price big time.
Any CMT made bolt will be great. CMT is stags sister/parent company. They actually make most of the m16 BCG out there, and a good portion of the AR15 BCG as well. Some very "famous" companies use CMT parts and just mark up the price big time.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
CMT MP tested is 130 at bravocompanyusa:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CMT-AR15-Semi-MPI-Bolt-Carrier-Group-p/bcg-cmt-mp-ar15.htm
If you want to go cheaper I think JSESurplus has DPMS and Del-ton for 110bucks. 9 times out of 10 those bolts are fine usually only problem is they use crappy extractor springs (3$ fix).
CMT MP tested is 130 at bravocompanyusa:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CMT-AR15-Semi-MPI-Bolt-Carrier-Group-p/bcg-cmt-mp-ar15.htm
If you want to go cheaper I think JSESurplus has DPMS and Del-ton for 110bucks. 9 times out of 10 those bolts are fine usually only problem is they use crappy extractor springs (3$ fix).
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
You got three equal options imho, these three are the only ones I would put in a hard use, or non range toy type build/AR.
Colt's are just now really becoming avail for individual purchase but remain the most expensive. They are however the one in which the two others perfectly copied for whatever that may be worth.
The BCM is second most expensive...anybody talks smack about one of these, then they also lick the windows on the short bus
LMT is the cheapest in cost of the three but by most accounts has a slightly stronger and better designed bolt by a few little changes they incorporated on their bolts. LMT also makes the enhanced bolt that is far superior in strength to a traditional bolt and they are essentially just like KAC's new E3 bolt. Those bolts extra strength, design, and cost is simply not needed when the above three maintain flawless operation for thousands of rds imo.
You got three equal options imho, these three are the only ones I would put in a hard use, or non range toy type build/AR.
Colt's are just now really becoming avail for individual purchase but remain the most expensive. They are however the one in which the two others perfectly copied for whatever that may be worth.
The BCM is second most expensive...anybody talks smack about one of these, then they also lick the windows on the short bus
LMT is the cheapest in cost of the three but by most accounts has a slightly stronger and better designed bolt by a few little changes they incorporated on their bolts. LMT also makes the enhanced bolt that is far superior in strength to a traditional bolt and they are essentially just like KAC's new E3 bolt. Those bolts extra strength, design, and cost is simply not needed when the above three maintain flawless operation for thousands of rds imo.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
Another BCM fan! For the money these are hard to beat.
Another BCM fan! For the money these are hard to beat.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
BCM, Colt, LMT, or Daniel Defense. Surprised no one mentioned Daniel Defense.
As to the CMT makes everyones parts claim. They don't make everyones parts. Even is they supply companies like BCM they do not quality control like BCM does and they batch test rather than individually test. QC and individually testing costs more.
BCM, Colt, LMT, or Daniel Defense. Surprised no one mentioned Daniel Defense.
As to the CMT makes everyones parts claim. They don't make everyones parts. Even is they supply companies like BCM they do not quality control like BCM does and they batch test rather than individually test. QC and individually testing costs more.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
I agree with most of the comments. My first choices would be BCM, LMT, Colt and DD but there are several MP tested bolts that should work. I have personal experience with BCM, LMT and Colt. I know several people who run DD's and are happy.
I have heard great things about fail zero, but have never tried one personally. One of their reps at SHOT claimed to have put 60K rounds through his personal rifle with one of their BCG's without any lube and still hadn't experienced any failures. Take that with a grain of salt, but there are a lot of others saying good things about them as well. Since you mentioned "fairly cheap", fail zero may be out of the question.
trident1982- thanks for the pics
I agree with most of the comments. My first choices would be BCM, LMT, Colt and DD but there are several MP tested bolts that should work. I have personal experience with BCM, LMT and Colt. I know several people who run DD's and are happy.
I have heard great things about fail zero, but have never tried one personally. One of their reps at SHOT claimed to have put 60K rounds through his personal rifle with one of their BCG's without any lube and still hadn't experienced any failures. Take that with a grain of salt, but there are a lot of others saying good things about them as well. Since you mentioned "fairly cheap", fail zero may be out of the question.
trident1982- thanks for the pics
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
I just picked up a couple of PSA premium BCGs to upgrade my 15 year old Bushmaster uppers from semi-auto to full auto bolt carriers. The quality looks great with a smoother finish (seems to hold lubricant better than the BM finish) than the Bushmasters, and I like the fully shrouded firing pins (which is the main reason I upgraded from the Bushmaster semi-auto BCGs).
Bolts are made from Carpenter 158 steel (the stuff that Sellers are claming is better), shot peened, and MP marked. Only $99 each ($10 off when I bought them). Black insert on the extractors, and no o-ring (the way I want them).
Free shipping on orders over $190 (I bought 2).
And the another reason to go PSA? They have/had them in stock, no BS waiting period.
I just picked up a couple of PSA premium BCGs to upgrade my 15 year old Bushmaster uppers from semi-auto to full auto bolt carriers. The quality looks great with a smoother finish (seems to hold lubricant better than the BM finish) than the Bushmasters, and I like the fully shrouded firing pins (which is the main reason I upgraded from the Bushmaster semi-auto BCGs).
Bolts are made from Carpenter 158 steel (the stuff that Sellers are claming is better), shot peened, and MP marked. Only $99 each ($10 off when I bought them). Black insert on the extractors, and no o-ring (the way I want them).
Free shipping on orders over $190 (I bought 2).
And the another reason to go PSA? They have/had them in stock, no BS waiting period.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
get a spikes...they're fandamntastic for the money.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/bolt...-556-p-388.html
get a spikes...they're fandamntastic for the money.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/bolt...-556-p-388.html
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body">get a spikes...they're fandamntastic for the money.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/bolt...-556-p-388.html </div></div>
+1
It's not cheap but the benefit out weighs the cost imho.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body">get a spikes...they're fandamntastic for the money.
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/bolt...-556-p-388.html </div></div>
+1
It's not cheap but the benefit out weighs the cost imho.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
And what benefits are those?
And what benefits are those?
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
Those Spikes look nice. I would be interested in trying one out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And what benefits are those? </div></div>
They advertise that the EXO coating that FZ uses requires little or no lube. There are a lot of people who attest to that, but I would like to run one for a while myself.
Those Spikes look nice. I would be interested in trying one out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And what benefits are those? </div></div>
They advertise that the EXO coating that FZ uses requires little or no lube. There are a lot of people who attest to that, but I would like to run one for a while myself.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
I own both LMT and BCM, never had a problem with either.
As for the LMT enhanced bolt, it is pretty, but unnecessary. I tried to order one from LMT and they talked me out of it. They explained it was absolutely a waste of money on a standard setup.
I own both LMT and BCM, never had a problem with either.
As for the LMT enhanced bolt, it is pretty, but unnecessary. I tried to order one from LMT and they talked me out of it. They explained it was absolutely a waste of money on a standard setup.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
The benefits would be ease in cleaning,the nickel boron coating requires no lubrication. I've run my own person comparison of a standard BCG and the spikes with significant findings to base my conclusion.
This comparison was done on two rifles with the same build specs other than bcg.
My results were the standard bcg started to have failures after 1500-2000 rounds without cleaning.
On the rifle with spikes NIB BCG there was less noteable build up in general and no failures.
In order to confirm this conclusion the same test was run multiple times for consistency.
Friction and lubrication with all moving parts and imho the NIB does its job in reducing that.
I'm not going to debate this or turn it to a pissing match.
In other unrelated posts its been called "snake oil".
Take it for what its worth there is merrit and isnt just the flavor of the month.
The benefits would be ease in cleaning,the nickel boron coating requires no lubrication. I've run my own person comparison of a standard BCG and the spikes with significant findings to base my conclusion.
This comparison was done on two rifles with the same build specs other than bcg.
My results were the standard bcg started to have failures after 1500-2000 rounds without cleaning.
On the rifle with spikes NIB BCG there was less noteable build up in general and no failures.
In order to confirm this conclusion the same test was run multiple times for consistency.
Friction and lubrication with all moving parts and imho the NIB does its job in reducing that.
I'm not going to debate this or turn it to a pissing match.
In other unrelated posts its been called "snake oil".
Take it for what its worth there is merrit and isnt just the flavor of the month.
Re: looking for thoughts on 5.56 bolt group
I'd actually be inclined to believe the enhanced version and chrome plated bcgs like young's can run longer without cleaning.
Personally I clean every 300-500 rounds anyhow just for fun so it would never matter to me from a civilian standpoint.
I'd personally rather have two bcgs instead of a chrome or enhanced.
To each his own.
I'd actually be inclined to believe the enhanced version and chrome plated bcgs like young's can run longer without cleaning.
Personally I clean every 300-500 rounds anyhow just for fun so it would never matter to me from a civilian standpoint.
I'd personally rather have two bcgs instead of a chrome or enhanced.
To each his own.
