well went to the local c&e gun show figured it would be the usual BS so was just looking for a few odds and ends. low a behold i see a lupy mk4 16x sitting in a case with alot of other optics lupys Bushnells tascos and so forth i figured this thing has to be a fake. so i ask to see it. to my surprise it wasnt it had clear glass no scratches and seem to be well taken care of u can tell it had been mounted but not ring indentations.football stile mil dots knobs felt nice and tight and a set of the old butler creek caps (the good ones). i asked the guy where it came from he told me it was on a big heavy barreled 300winmag that some one had traded in i said cool. so then time to ask price he said 350 dollars i handed him the cash and walked out with a huge grin.